Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

kryogen

Chelsea turned a corner a few years ago and have had a very good business plan since in fairness to them.

The Moldy Gowl

They are a bit like us and the glazers in a way.

People thought roman would pull out and they would be bankrupt, people thought the glazers will suck all the money and bankrupt us.

Both posting unreal profits.


Just goes to show how many people are stupid and cluless when it comes to these medium/long term business plans.
Pseudo economists and financiers waving their scarfs

Will I Amnt

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

They are a bit like us and the glazers in a way.

People thought roman would pull out and they would be bankrupt, people thought the glazers will suck all the money and bankrupt us.

Both posting unreal profits.


Just goes to show how many people are stupid and cluless when it comes to these medium/long term business plans.
Pseudo economists and financiers waving their scarfs

The 'I told you so' brigade. They will let everybody know when they're right but it will be forgotten when they're wrong.
It's a win, win situation.

The Moldy Gowl

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The 'I told you so' brigade. They will let everybody know when they're right but it will be forgotten when they're wrong.
It's a win, win situation.

Me or them?

Will I Amnt

I remember getting invites to a group on Facebook from at least 3 Liverpool fans, The Man United going bust party... :pac:

Will I Amnt

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Me or them?

Not you ya little gowl!!!

Mitch Connor

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

They are a bit like us and the glazers in a way.

People thought roman would pull out and they would be bankrupt, people thought the glazers will suck all the money and bankrupt us.

Both posting unreal profits.


Just goes to show how many people are stupid and cluless when it comes to these medium/long term business plans.
Pseudo economists and financiers waving their scarfs

People HOPED Roman would pull out - but there was never any real indication that he would and he had put cash into the club in case he did leave - so they would have been relatively safe.

The Glazers DID suck craps loads of money out - never a penny in, and the money they have taken out is larger than they have allowed the club to spend on tranfers. They took a risky gamble - a gamble the United board at the time of the takeover said was too risky, and they have got away with it. Fergie keeping us successful on a relatively limited budget in comparison to what it could/should have been and clubs like Chelsea/City - as well as the TV deals defying logic and the global downturn have won the Glazers their bet. Just becuase it worked doesn't mean it wasn't a big risk at the time.

If we had suffered a Moyes season in 08 or 09, things could be VASTLY different now.

The Moldy Gowl

I can assure you I am not a gowl. We have hashed out th glazer debate here loads, it's nice they have been proved wrong.

I wouldn't begrudge the glazers for making money as long as the club is making money and spending 100 million.

Someone will come along now and post a graphic about our net or gross spend since they took over and before they took over.

Cantona's Collars

18 year old Josh Doughty is to sign professional terms,joining from Real Salt Lake.

The Moldy Gowl

Let's agree to disagree, Mitch. I couldn't be arsed with debate.

I'll trust you have the relevant experience and expertise of taking over companies.

Deiseboy01

zerks wrote: »

18 year old Josh Doughty is to sign professional terms,joining from Real Salt Lake.

Sounds Irish, can we claim him?!

Deiseboy01

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

They are a bit like us and the glazers in a way.

People thought roman would pull out and they would be bankrupt, people thought the glazers will suck all the money and bankrupt us.

Both posting unreal profits.


Just goes to show how many people are stupid and cluless when it comes to these medium/long term business plans.
Pseudo economists and financiers waving their scarfs

Hardly unreal profits. Twenty million having spent what? A billion? Terrible return.

GavRedKing

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Hardly unreal profits. Twenty million having spent what? A billion? Terrible return.

We made a profit 3 years ago too, a rather hefty 1.4million

Let the good times roll.

The Moldy Gowl

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Hardly unreal profits. Twenty million having spent what? A billion? Terrible return.

Yeah I posted it an probably shouldn't have included an adjective. Profit is profit.
Maybe it's unrealised profit and they will invest it back.
But yeah, still a bit mental a club like Chelsea are now making profit, I'm gonna guess this is profit after all their plans for investment and buildings have been financed?

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If we had suffered a Moyes season in 08 or 09, things could be VASTLY different now.

Its an interesting hypothetical, if United had went into an Arsenal style drought in the years since the takeover what level would the debt be now?

And make no mistake it could have happened, there are fine margins in many of these things.

GavRedKing

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah I posted it an probably shouldn't have included an adjective. Profit is profit.
Maybe it's unrealised profit and they will invest it back.
But yeah, still a bit mental a club like Chelsea are now making profit, I'm gonna guess this is profit after all their plans for investment and buildings have been financed?

Alot of it is down to new TV deals, selling of players, the turnover.

We're up a small bit from the sells of Lukaku, Luiz, Mata, Ba when compared to what we brought in, Cesc, Costa, Luis, Zouma, Remy.

Also wages have decreased with Lamps, Eto'o, Torres, Cole all leaving, which is the guts of a reported 400K - ish a week off the wage bill.

Depending on this seasons potential success and the transfer markets we'll probably make a small profit next year too but its impossible to guess with 2 transfer windows.

Mitch Connor

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its an interesting hypothetical, if United had went into an Arsenal style drought in the years since the takeover what level would the debt be now?

And make no mistake it could have happened, there are fine margins in many of these things.

We'd still have the TV money from the PL - and if it was an ARsenal type performance rather than Moyes type performance we'd have still had the CL money, so it wouldn't have been doomed as such. However, I would question whether we could have got close to the commercial income of the last couple of years had we not won anything or competed properly in the last 6 years. There is already talk of adidas getting annoyed at United's performance, and that is (apparently) part of the argument Woodward used in the last month of the window to get the purse strings loosened a bit.

I would say the net debt would be higher, and our payments on it would be higher (prob closer to the 70+million we had been paying rather than the 20million or so we are paying now). It is possible the PL and CL money would have covered it well enough, but would have really impacted our ability to compete for and sign players.

Giggsy11

Josh Doughty @joshdoughtyy

Man United medical ☑️

Mr_Red

Wonderkid PASSES Manchester United medical ahead of imminent switch

CANADIAN midfielder Josh Doughty has revealed that he has passed a medical ahead of a switch to Manchester United.


Manchester United close to wonderkid signing Josh Doughty has passed a medical at Louis van Gaal's Manchester United
The 17-year-old former Real Salt Lake starlet is reportedly set to sign a contract with the Red Devils to join their youth academy.

Doughty confirmed on Twitter that he he had passed a medical, saying: "Man United medical".

The Canadian youth international will join Dutch defender Timothy Fosu-Mensah, who agreed a move to United in september, in the club's development squad.

Louis van Gaal has handed a number of youth players a chance in United's first team this season including Paddy McNair, Tyler Blackett and James Wilson.

The Dutch is also keen on 15-year-old Norwegian wonderkid Martin Odegaard.

The Moldy Gowl

Woo a midfielder.

Liverpool seem to have odegaard signed. Would be nice to sign him instead of them

Vic Vinegar

Certain WORDS capitalized for no REASON.

The Moldy Gowl

Ill just leave this here. top 3 are good

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/lists/4842/20_teenage_foot.html

syngindub

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ill just leave this here. top 3 are good

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/lists/4842/20_teenage_foot.html

get out of it !!..

syngindub

number 7 setting the world on fire alright

The Moldy Gowl

Only Kroos has really 'made it'. Balotelli to a certain degree.

Blue giant

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Only Kroos has really 'made it'. Balotelli to a certain degree.

I would say a certain Sergio Aguero has definitely "made it"

kryogen

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ill just leave this here. top 3 are good

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/lists/4842/20_teenage_foot.html

Those lists just remind me of how special a talent he was as a youngster and how little promise he fulfilled

kryogen

Like, you look at the world golden boy

Winners[edit]
Year Winner Native country Club Source(s)
2003 Rafael van der Vaart Netherlands Netherlands Ajax [1]
2004 Wayne Rooney England England Everton [1]
2005 Lionel Messi Argentina Spain Barcelona [1]
2006 Cesc Fàbregas Spain England Arsenal [1]
2007 Sergio Agüero Argentina Spain Atlético Madrid [1]
2008 Anderson Brazil England Manchester United [2]

I mean the form for that award had been working out perfectly!

irishfeen

From the looks of it this is our TV coverage until February - Hull, Stoke & QPR not televised in Ireland.

Will I Amnt

irishfeen wrote: »

From the looks of it this is our TV coverage until February - Hull, Stoke & QPR not televised in Ireland.

Playing twice in 4 days after the Arsenal game and neither of them televised :mad: