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The amount of misogyny on boards these days is frightening.*Mod instruction in OP*

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  • #422
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    Said the straight white man who was just complaining about his misandrist spell checker, lord above.

    I love the way Irish people have adopted yank Identity politics as if we were in some way "white" the same way as American Wasp. Everybody is America, black, brown, yellow or white has more "privilege" and cultural dominance than anyone outside it. So dominant is the US we adopt it's way of thinking.


  • #423
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    I love the way Irish people have adopted yank Identity politics as if we were in some way "white" the same way as American Wasp. Everybody is America, black, brown, yellow or white has more "privilege" and cultural dominance than anyone outside it. So dominant is the US we adopt it's way of thinking.

    I seriously hope she was taking the piss there. If she was serious then God help us. The rot of this type of thinking, of victim politics has to stop.


  • #424
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    masculinist wrote: »
    If somebody feels bad because someone else holds an opinion, thats really their problem though. Not anyone elses. If a woman is as strong and independent and not in need of a man as she says she is then she shouldnt be affected by a males opinion one way or another. And vice versa.

    Again, nothing wrong with holding an opinion. But not every opinion needs to be expressed, ya know? I have loads of thoughts and opinions that I keep to myself, because I have a filter and because they are not all interesting or relevant. Of course, a lot of people think every opinion they have needs to be heard, for some reason.


  • #425
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    This thread should have been shunted to politics right off the bat. Or to the ladies lounge if that is still a thing.

    This is AH. An OP whining on a Friday night, with no evidence, about misogyny gets a few joky responses and now a late "mod warning" appears with ominous threats of infractions for joking in AH.

    I don't see much point to AH if it is going to be policed like a more serious forum.


  • #426
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Again, nothing wrong with holding an opinion. But not every opinion needs to be expressed, ya know? I have loads of thoughts and opinions that I keep to myself, because I have a filter and because they are not all interesting or relevant. Of course, a lot of people think every opinion they have needs to be heard, for some reason.

    Oh For ****'s sake. This is an Internet discussion forum. For discussion.


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  • #427
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    That's not misogyny. This is why threads like this make me immediately suspicious - objecting to feminism doesn't make one a misogynist.

    Of course it doesnt. You can quite easily be an Egalitarian and be morally superior in my opinion.
    Not every woman is a feminist. There are fast growing mens rights MRA movements and women against feminism movements. Websites such as a avoiceformen.com etc. Sane people choose egalitarianism over feminism. Many women are seeing feminism as a man hating movement because to take only one example they only care about male rape of women but completely ignore lesbian rape of women. Lesbian domestic violence is far greater even than the doctored male to female stats which feminists constantly quote in the US. Feminists campaigned successfully in the US to broaden the definition of sexual assault so that basically every interaction between a man and a woman is rape to them. Terms like 'stare rape' are being thrown around which completely disrespects real victims of rape.
    A group of men tried to meet to discuss mens rights , mens health issues, male suicide etc in Toronto and the feminists were outside shouting ''rapists'' , ''rape apologists'' , pulling fire alarms and calling in bomb threats. That type of politics is pure poison and a mental illness.


  • #428
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Oh For ****'s sake. This is an Internet discussion forum. For discussion.

    I wasn't talking about internet discussion boards.

    I was talking about slutshaming, telling someone you won't sleep with them because you don't approve of their number.

    Though actually, I think internet discussion forums would be improved if more people learned how to form a considered opinion rather than just vomiting ill-formed "opinions" all over threads. And if people realised that not all opinions and thoughts need to be expressed. But that would only happen in an ideal world, I guess.


  • #429
    CaptainInsano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Again, nothing wrong with holding an opinion. But not every opinion needs to be expressed, ya know? I have loads of thoughts and opinions that I keep to myself, because I have a filter and because they are not all interesting or relevant. Of course, a lot of people think every opinion they have needs to be heard, for some reason.

    Perhaps an online discussion forum isn't the place for you then.


  • #430
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Again, nothing wrong with holding an opinion. But not every opinion needs to be expressed, ya know? I have loads of thoughts and opinions that I keep to myself, because I have a filter and because they are not all interesting or relevant. Of course, a lot of people think every opinion they have needs to be heard, for some reason.

    I dont have an opinion about sluts except that they are eh ... sluts. Do you find an expressed fact shaming to you ?


  • #431
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I'll never understand why people think that adding 'ah shure I was only joking' to anything they say makes it any less hateful and offensive.

    I'm a bit of clown and and a stupid eejit a lot of the time and I've probably offended plenty on here, but never intentionally, so when I see some of the comments here I just despair.


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  • #432
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Candie wrote: »
    We should be able to get along and chat about things without it turning into a festival of blame and spite, but that seems to be the way lately. Single mothers, street harassment, kids, sentencing, fathers rights, all these things should be talked about without the level of venom and poison that spills out. We all have problems and perspectives, and we should be all on each others sides, not taking sides.

    Not attacking what you're saying, but does it ever occur to you that some men, particularly those born from the mid eighties onwards, have spent so much of their lives observing the many ways in which women have unfair advantages while at the same time having the ideology rammed down their throats that men are the root of all evil while women are always the ones who need to be helped and supported, and that eventually the pent up frustration and bitterness caused by this was bound to reach a breaking point and cause the kinds of vitriolic eruptions you're referencing?

    Just my theory, because I know that's why it's such a difficult subject for me to talk about without my blood boiling to a certain degree, and I highly doubt I'm alone in that. I'm of a generation of men which has been told that they wrongly have it all, that they should feel guilty because of that, while at the same time having to observe how discrimination against men is tolerated so endemically in our society. It's not a good combination.


  • #433
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    masculinist wrote: »
    I seriously hope she was taking the piss there. If she was serious then God help us. The rot of this type of thinking, of victim politics has to stop.

    It's just my opinion, and you know:
    masculinist wrote: »
    If somebody feels bad because someone else holds an opinion, thats really their problem though. Not anyone elses. If a woman is as strong and independent and not in need of a man as she says she is then she shouldnt be affected by a males opinion one way or another. And vice versa.
    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    I love the way Irish people have adopted yank Identity politics as if we were in some way "white" the same way as American Wasp. Everybody is America, black, brown, yellow or white has more "privilege" and cultural dominance than anyone outside it. So dominant is the US we adopt it's way of thinking.

    Yes and within the context of living in America, a white person is usually at a measurable advantage over someone who is not white, all other things being equal. A black Irish person gets a better deal than a white Chechen, but they're going to put up with sh1t that their white peers never have to.


  • #434
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    CaptainInsano wrote: »
    Perhaps an online discussion forum isn't the place for you then.

    Guess not! Don't really get why internet discussion forums should be held to an "anything goes" standard. Though in fairness, a lot of forums on boards.ie do have a high standards. Not AH though really.


  • #435
    JasperGeorge.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭JasperGeorge.


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    I'll never understand why people think that adding 'ah shure I was only joking' to anything they say makes it any less hateful and offensive.

    I'm a bit of clown and and a stupid eejit a lot of the time and I've probably offended plenty on here, but never intentionally, so when I see some of the comments here I just despair.

    That's the difference you see the willingness to consider your behavior after generally indicates it's intentional. I think what the OP is referring to is posters who deliberately go out of their way to do it and even rub people up the wrong way purposely.

    The trouble is there is no sense in berating these people they don't care and will do it again they usually don't stand by what they have said either. They will often simply re reg re reg reg reg. Even in the same thread.


  • #436
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    That's not misogyny. This is why threads like this make me immediately suspicious - objecting to feminism doesn't make one a misogynist.

    I can't help but feel that those who constantly dismiss or belittle all accusations of misogyny, yet display hypersensitivity to perceived "misandry" (a term that my spell checker doesn't seem to recognise - it's almost as though it's not an actual thing, LOL) are most definitely not motivated by egalitarianism.


  • #437
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    masculinist wrote: »
    I dont have an opinion about sluts except that they are eh ... sluts. Do you find an expressed fact shaming to you ?

    Why personalise it? Obviously, I'm speaking generally.

    I'm simply saying, you don't need to sleep with someone who has had loads of sexual partners if it puts you off. Nothing wrong with that. But they really don't need to know your reasons. And it's not your place to vocally judge them. Or your right. Judge them all you want in your head. Have a party in your brain with your opinions! It's your thoughts and brains and feelings and nobody is going to send the thought police out to you. But not everyone needs to know every thought or opinion swirling around your head or my head or anyone's head, especially if it's a sanctimonious thought.


  • #438
    Earl Turner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Earl Turner


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Guess not! Don't really get why internet discussion forums should be held to an "anything goes" standard. Though in fairness, a lot of forums on boards.ie do have a high standards. Not AH though really.

    So basically they should be censored so your feelings don't get hurt?


  • #439
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    JasperGeorge. wrote: »
    That's the difference you see the willingness to consider your behavior after generally indicates it's intentional. I think what the OP is referring to is posters who deliberately go out of their way to do it and even rub people up the wrong way purposely.

    The trouble is there is no sense in berating these people they don't care and will do it again they usually don't stand by what they have said either. They will often simply re reg re reg reg reg. Even in the same thread.

    Yeah, I know what they're doing (you can even see it on this page, never mind the thread), I just don't understand it.


  • #440
    JasperGeorge.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭JasperGeorge.


    Earl Turner wrote: »
    So basically they should be censored so your feelings don't get hurt?

    Well it it wouldn't matter they just re reg.


  • #441
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    RayM wrote: »
    I can't help but feel that those who constantly dismiss or belittle all accusations of misogyny, yet display hypersensitivity to perceived "misandry" (a term that my spell checker doesn't seem to recognise - it's almost as though it's not an actual thing, LOL) are most definitely not motivated by egalitarianism.

    So are you saying that anti-feminism = misogyny? Deeply flawed argument in my view. Feminism is about more than just equality - I'm 100% in favour of gender equality (I advocate a gender blind society) but Feminism comes with a lot of other BS tacked on to it, like banning songs, magazines, etc which feminists find objectionable for one reason or another - I object so wholeheartedly to this that I refuse to associate myself with a movement which tolerates such ideologies within itself.

    I am not, however, a misogynist.


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  • #442
    dd972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


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  • #443
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,304 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Guess not! Don't really get why internet discussion forums should be held to an "anything goes" standard. Though in fairness, a lot of forums on boards.ie do have a high standards. Not AH though really.

    Is that not the point?


  • #444
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Don't really get why internet discussion forums should be held to an "anything goes" standard.

    Why shouldn't they be? If that kind of forum isn't your thing, you don't have to use it.


  • #445
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Why personalise it? Obviously, I'm speaking generally.

    I'm simply saying, you don't need to sleep with someone who has had loads of sexual partners if it puts you off. Nothing wrong with that. But they really don't need to know your reasons. And it's not your place to vocally judge them. Or your right. Judge them all you want in your head.

    whats being personalised ? Not by me. If someone I am dating is promiscuous not just with me I would rather I knew. Feminist women go on 'slut walks' yet complain about being objectified at the same time. The they go home and drool over the diet coke advert and calendars of firefighters with their shirts off. The world is a funny place.


  • #446
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Earl Turner wrote: »
    So basically they should be censored so your feelings don't get hurt?

    Lots of forums on boards.ie are held to high posting standards. Do you consider that censorship?

    Actually, lulz, saw your first post in this thread. :pac: Shan't be conversing with you on this thread anymore. Bye bye bye bye bye.


  • #447
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Why shouldn't they be? If that kind of forum isn't your thing, you don't have to use it.

    No shít!


  • #448
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Lots of forums on boards.ie are held to high posting standards. Do you consider that censorship?

    Personally I do, the amount of legitimate discussion which gets stifled here because "it's getting out of hand" is in my view ridiculous.


  • #449
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    efb wrote: »
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

    Edmund Burke

    Dude, you're on an internet chat forum. Not the Council of the United f*cking Nations.


  • #450
    Earl Turner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Earl Turner


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Lots of forums on boards.ie are held to high posting standards. Do you consider that censorship?

    Actually, lulz, saw your first post in this thread. :pac: Shan't be conversing with you on this thread anymore. Bye bye bye bye bye.

    That's ok. I hope some day we find a cure for special snowflake syndrome.


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  • #451
    masculinist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭masculinist


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Personally I do, the amount of legitimate discussion which gets stifled here because "it's getting out of hand" is in my view ridiculous.

    You are right. I dont find censorship very progressive at all. In fact I find it brings us back to the dark days when the church was in power. Same totalitarianism just a different name and a different set of privileged classes. There should be a place for all types of forums. If someone wants different rules they can choose to avoid ones without those rules but wholesale censorship of legitimate opinions is ridiculous.


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