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The amount of misogyny on boards these days is frightening.*Mod instruction in OP*

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  • #302
    ptee1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 ✭ptee1


    RDM_83 again wrote: »

    Take a look at tLL, and the locked Feminism thread then, reasonable and very polite point by a poster about why mansplaining possibly isn't the best term to use, mocked because its a male poster because he's mansplaining.


    Good point. I see a lot of reasonable points by men being mocked with sarcasm and thinly veiled insults.


  • #303
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    And who says they are not deserving of them? Maybe mens skillsets are more suited to some jobs than women reg 1?

    mens skillets are more suited... am I reading this right, by virtue of being men they are more suited to a job???

    Aside from sperm doner, I can't think of one...


  • #304
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    Fathers' rights, suicide rates, resources for male victims of sexual assault and domestic violence, funding shortages for men's illnesses, the amount of men vs women graduating from college...all of those would constitute a need for it, to my mind. And that's just in this country.

    Apart from fathers' rights, which until relatively recently, men tended not to fight for in any organised way, I don't really think any of those issues are rights-related. They're definitely problems, but I'm not sure that a male equivalent of feminism would result in men being more likely to 'open up' about mental health, domestic violence, etc.

    I think one of the hardest things about being a man is that men have historically enjoyed greater privileges than women - and that brings its own pressures and expectations. And as those privileges are gradually being eroded, it becomes easy for us to avoid introspection and blame "misandry" for everything that's shit about our lives.


  • #305
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    These are the words of the borderline sex offender for anyone unaware:

    Dunno if I've misinterpreted your post, but that quote belongs to Lena Dunham and not Julien Blanc.


  • #306
    IrishCule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭IrishCule


    efb wrote: »
    Anecdotal evidence then? The figures and salaries definitely say men have the advantage


    Please post evidence of a man and a woman working in the same company who have the same experience levels etc, where the man is getting paid more than the woman...

    The gender wage gap is the biggest load of nonsense spouted by "feminists" these days. The figures they use are the average of all men working full time compared to the average of all women working full time and use that to say that women are paid 75% of what men are paid.

    Those figures DON'T take into account what occupations either gender are working, the positions they are in, the amount of overtime worked, that women often take time out of their careers to have children......all of which skew the figures in men's favour.


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  • #307
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Yeah I can remember that old line being trotted out not too long ago, I think it might have been Wibbs that countered the claim with an up to date study, and he certainly wouldn't be anti-women.

    http://www.ictu.ie/equality/gender/paygap.html

    I look forward to the up to date study disproving this


  • #308
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    efb wrote: »
    mens skillets are more suited... am I reading this right, by virtue of being men they are more suited to a job???

    Aside from sperm doner, I can't think of one...

    Ok...you're a waste of time. DOn't bother even quoting my full sentence.

    Are you gonna tell me women make better labourers than men? Where speed and strength are vital to doing the job well?


  • #309
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    IrishCule wrote: »
    Please post evidence of a man and a woman working in the same company who have the same experience levels etc, where the man is getting paid more than the woman...

    The gender wage gap is the biggest load of nonsense spouted by "feminists" these days. The figures they use are the average of all men working full time compared to the average of all women working full time and use that to say that women are paid 75% of what men are paid.

    Those figures DON'T take into account what occupations either gender are working, the positions they are in, the amount of overtime worked, that women often take time out of their careers to have children......all of which skew the figures in men's favour.

    http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/gender-pay-gap/index_en.htm


    I look forward to your study disproving this


  • #310
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    efb wrote: »
    can you quote it?

    Wouldn't know where to find it now, but found this:
    n 2011 46.7% of those in employment were women. Men worked an average of 39.4 hours a week in 2011 compared with 30.6 for women and married men worked longer hours than married women, with nearly half (44.5%) of married men working for 40 hours or more a week compared with only 14.7% of married women (Tables 2.1, 2.7, 2.9 and 2.10).

    Women may earn less, but it's only because they work shorter hours.


  • #311
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    IrishCule wrote: »
    Yeah, such outrage. ONE poster passed on a comment made by a friend of his, about a woman who was in fact being a cnut and others agreed that in this instance that woman (see singular, not all women) was a cnut.

    Interestingly, if you read the first 10 pages or so of that thread (or even just the first page), the very few women posting have something constructive to say about the subject whereas the first page alone is entirely (apart from one constructive post from one woman) full of "jokey" generalisations about women getting the feet under your sink kind of stuff. So was it just the one poster passing comment about women being cnuts? Or was it most of them, (just without using the actual word cnut and without an actual anecdote)? I would be interested to do a break-down of what the men said/women said in that thread, wouldn't you?
    Of course you had no problem thanking and responding positively to the post assuming this guy was some kind of deadbeat Dad who doesn't give a toss about his kids:

    You are quite right here. There is safety in numbers, that's true. I thanked the post because I felt cynical enough at that stage to go with the sentiment. After a thread full of tripe directed against my gender - this cynicism happens, as we can see from all the band-wagon jumping, back-slapping "jokes" among the fellas who were posting there today. Well done all of us. What a great representation of Irish society.

    It's feckin' disappointing more than anything else that we can't rise above this stuff more often. And sickening to the stomach. My outrage is more "turn off the computer" than "pitchforks at the gates" though. Tiring.


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  • #312
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Ok...you're a waste of time. DOn't bother even quoting my full sentence.

    Are you gonna tell me women make better labourers than men? Where speed and strength are vital to doing the job well?

    I am not a better labourer than my sister, so I wouldn't use gender as a qualifier


  • #313
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Wouldn't know where to find it now, but found this:



    Women may earn less, but it's only because they work shorter hours.

    No, the EU studies use the FTE Salaried figures, or hourly rates


  • #314
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Wouldn't know where to find it now, but found this:



    Women may earn less, but it's only because they work shorter hours.

    have you the link?


  • #315
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    who the fug wrote: »
    Sisters of Mercy are we

    This Corrosion was a cracker. Lucretia too. An Avalanche of sound.


  • #316
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    DoYouEvenLift wrote: »
    These are the words of the borderline sex offender for anyone unaware:

    I was talking about Julien Blanc, a scumbag who grabs women and shoves their faces into his crotch. I'm not surprised you'd stoop to whataboutery.


  • #317
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Wouldn't know where to find it now, but found this:



    Women may earn less, but it's only because they work shorter hours.

    Exactly. You always hear women on about 9-5 jobs. A lot of men work 8-6 and longer.


  • #318
    smoking_kills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 488 ✭✭smoking_kills


    efb wrote: »
    http://www.ictu.ie/equality/gender/paygap.html

    I look forward to the up to date study disproving this


    http://www.genderequality.ie/en/GE/Pages/GenderPayGap

    The gender pay gap reflects ongoing discrimination and inequalities in the labour market which, in practice, mainly affect women. Its causes are complex and interrelated.
    The measurement of the gender pay gap is subject to different interpretations, resulting in wide variations in statistics. While the European Commission and Eurostat have published data drawn from the EU Survey on Income and Living Conditions (EU-SILC) for some years, there were reservations about these data. For Ireland it showed a gender pay gap of 9 per cent in recent years. One of the weaknesses of this data source was the fact that it included part-time workers working fewer than 15 hours per week. It was likely, given employment trends that most of these workers would be female and the data would therefore be skewed.
    According to latest figures released by the European Commission to coincide with Equal Pay Day 2013, the gender pay gap across the EU is currently 16.2 per cent. Ireland (13.9 per cent), while better than the EU average, is still behind nine of the 27 EU countries.
    Issues affecting the gender pay gap are also complex and a wide number of factors are considered to impact upon it. These include segregation in the labour market, traditions and stereotypes, balancing work and family/private life and the undervaluing of women’s work. For example, the introduction of a minimum wage and the greater availability of childcare following implementation of the Equal Opportunities Childcare Programme and its successor National Childcare Investment Programme, are likely to have impacted positively on the gender pay gap in Ireland. However extensive statistical research based on gender disaggregated data is required before valid conclusions can be reached


  • #319
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    RayM wrote: »
    Apart from fathers' rights, which until relatively recently, men tended not to fight for in any organised way, I don't really think any of those issues are rights-related. They're definitely problems, but I'm not sure that a male equivalent of feminism would result in men being more likely to 'open up' about mental health, domestic violence, etc.

    I think one of the hardest things about being a man is that men have historically enjoyed greater privileges than women - and that brings its own pressures and expectations. And as those privileges are gradually being eroded, it becomes easy for us to avoid introspection and blame "misandry" for everything that's shit about our lives.

    You are eight times more likely to die by suicide if you are a male, that's just not good enough. The rights of male victims of domestic and sexual violence not to be discriminated against on the basis of their gender are certainly not being met. On balance, I would say that males are more usually at an advantage, but that doesn't mean the very serious gender-specific problems that do disproportionately affect them can just be written off as "sure that's just what men are like, nothing to be done about that".


  • #320
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    efb wrote: »
    have you the link?

    I've given you the quote. Do you think I made it up?


  • #321
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    efb wrote: »
    Anecdotal evidence then? The figures and salaries definitely say men have the advantage


    Link to these figures? And do those figures account for education levels (someone with a Phd obviously deserves to receive higher pay than someone with a Bachelors) and the establishments those educations were obtained (someone from a more recognised and higher quality university which was more difficult to get into obviously deserves higher pay than someone from a less recognised and lower quality university) and the positions the people work in (someone who is a CEO of a company obviously deserves higher pay than a secretary) and the company they work for (someone who works for google obviously deserves higher pay than someone who works in any smaller company that earns less than google) and so on and so on?


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  • #322
    IsMiseMyself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,268 ✭✭✭IsMiseMyself


    Gits_bone wrote: »
    Exactly. You always hear women on about 9-5 jobs. A lot of men work 8-6 and longer.

    *facepalm*

    And this thread and hit such a nice turn.


  • #323
    The Letheram
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭The Letheram


    I was accused of misogyny by a work colleague once. She was half right. I don't dislike women in general, just her in particular. Doin nothing for the thread I know but the accusation does get thrown at men a lot without foundation too.


  • #324
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    TheZohan wrote: »
    I've given you the quote. Do you think I made it up?

    I'd like to read further into it. Context is key


  • #325
    Gits_bone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Gits_bone


    efb wrote: »
    I'd like to read further into it. Context is key

    just like the "figures" you mentioned earlier.


  • #326
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,268 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    I find more often then not on here i am interested in a subject i follow it i post on it and then all of a sudden it turns into us vs them. At that stage im out.

    Shame thats what so many threads on boards are turning into now a days on many different levels.

    Anyways.....


  • #327
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    efb wrote: »
    I'd like to read further into it. Context is key

    Right, well you ask the op for links to her wild claims of misogyny and I'll give you a link to the document I've just quoted...or you could google the passage I've quoted.


  • #328
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Gavin Shaggy Stoutness wrote: »
    You are eight times more likely to die by suicide if you are a male, that's just not good enough. The rights of male victims of domestic and sexual violence not to be discriminated against on the basis of their gender are certainly not being met. On balance, I would say that males are more usually at an advantage, but that doesn't mean the very serious gender-specific problems that do disproportionately affect them can just be written off as "sure that's just what men are like, nothing to be done about that".

    Do the men here, campaign for men's rights re mental and physical health, sexual heath, parental rights etc. I do. And I campaign for Women's rights in these areas too.


  • #329
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    beks101 wrote: »
    I'm a woman, I have many opinions and a propensity towards expressing them.
    I've been doing so around here for very many years.
    And to be honest lads, the combination of having an opinion and having a vagina around here isn't exactly a walk in the fcuking park on most days.
    Here are some things I've dealt with:

    - The repeated assumption that I am a male poster if I don't make the distinction. Despite what most would agree is a fairly obvious female username. Hence the persistent bleating of "I am a woman"
    - A dismissal of and attempts to invalidate my feelings, experiences and opinions on some gender-related issue because I haven't taken any concrete action. Such as 'going to the cops'.
    - A dismissal or attempts to invalidate my feelings, experiences and opinions on some gender-related issue because "I have a female friend who disagrees with you".
    - Posters raking through my post history to find something that contradicts some opinion I have on something gender related
    - The assumption that I am speaking for my entire gender when I express any opinion on any innocuous subject anywhere.
    - Whataboutery. The fact that it can swing both ways does not detract from the fact that it exists as a way to degrade a female opinion or experience in the first place.

    What a load of tosh. You are the one trying to validate nearly all of your points on the basis of gender and taking offence to anyone who does otherwise. Your assumption that everyone thinks you are a male is downright wrong - you are mixing it up with people taking your points on their merits. Your point of view on the vast, vast majority of topics does not gain or lose any credibility because you are female - and "persistently bleating" that you are a woman should not and does not change that. If you have a valid contribution to make then make it, don't preface it by saying "oh yeah well i'm a woman and this is what I think" unless the topic absolutely demands it.

    To be honest all of your points aside from the first are pure waffle and apply here (and on most online forums) regardless of gender. The first would only be valid for a vast minority of topics - perhaps the ones being discussed in this thread. Even so, when strangers online explicitly fail to acknowledge your gender it most certainly is not, in the vast majority of cases, a valid reason to yell "misogyny" and never will be.


  • #330
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    TheZohan wrote: »
    Right, well you ask the op for links to her wild claims of misogyny and I'll give you a link to the document I've just quoted...or you could google the passage I've quoted.

    why the reluctance to give your reference, go google it is a lazy answer. I referenced my quotes


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  • #331
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    IsMiseMyself wrote: »
    Dunno if I've misinterpreted your post, but that quote belongs to Lena Dunham and not Julien Blanc.


    Haha you haven't actually, apologies.


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