Stallions

Lawrence Murphy · 20-07-2014 10:03AM

I actually remember The Carbon Unit landing a huge punt at Leopardstown for the Collins in either 2004 & 2005.

Lawrence Murphy · 20-07-2014 09:22PM

Yet another group winning filly for Holy Roman Emperor at The Curragh today

ComplyOrDie · 21-07-2014 10:29AM

Lawrence Murphy wrote: »

Yet another group winning filly for Holy Roman Emperor at The Curragh today

Mine wouldn't run out of her way.

Peintre Celebre · 21-07-2014 09:32PM

Swain another real disappointment starting at 35k USD. Same could be said for Golan who went at 35k Irish pound.

Those who started at the bottom and worked their way up include the likes of Danehill Dancer, Pivotal who was as low as 5k I think.

Siyouni is getting a couple of winners off a low fee over here which isn't bad since he stands in France. One 500 pound purchase won a maiden first time out for Paul Cole a few weeks back at a decent track can't remember which, backed into 9/4 fav. Looks an absolute bargain

tryfix · 19-09-2014 06:05PM

The multi-million O'Brien War Front 2yos can be judged as failures at this stage of the season. Anyone hold out any hope for any of them stepping up a bit on their form?

Peintre Celebre · 19-09-2014 06:51PM

tryfix wrote: »

The multi-million O'Brien War Front 2yos can be judged as failures at this stage of the season. Anyone hold out any hope for any of them stepping up a bit on their form?

I was only thinking about them yesterday. Allen has a couple of million dollar ones in France too it's time to give up on him I think.

Sea the Stars 12% runners to group winners not even group performers. That is very good

tryfix · 19-09-2014 10:44PM

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

I was only thinking about them yesterday. Allen has a couple of million dollar ones in France too it's time to give up on him I think.

Definitely, if O'Brien can't get his big money buys to make it then they're just not up to much. I'm getting a little impatient with Fastnet Rock as well.

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Sea the Stars 12% runners to group winners not even group performers. That is very good

He's a solid sire and will keep churning out 3yo and up group winners. Given the competition he's facing, he's done well and is fairly priced and ideal for owner breeders who like to race their own stock. He's not quite got the full package, but he's got enough to deserve respect and will hopefully fire out an exceptional horse every few years.

Peintre Celebre · 20-09-2014 12:39AM

Fastnet can surely do better given his phenomenal record in Oz. in fairness to him didn't he cover a small book of marrs first season here, there should be good numbers from next year on from a 50K fee. Interesting to see what support Coolmore send Mastercrafstman

Hidden Cyclone · 20-09-2014 12:53PM

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

it's time to give up on him I Think

Don't bet on it

I'm not saying Storm Cat was a bad sire or anything ridiculous like that but no way he worth the 500k stud fee or the idiotic sales tags some of his yearlings carried. Seemed to be driven by Coolmore vs Maktoum ego battles rather than actual results

Stubbornness can know no bounds in cases like this

tryfix · 20-09-2014 06:58PM

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Fastnet can surely do better given his phenomenal record in Oz. in fairness to him didn't he cover a small book of marrs first season here, there should be good numbers from next year on from a 50K fee. Interesting to see what support Coolmore send Mastercrafstman

Fastnet has had 57 runners this year, there's no star and there's no star 2yo. They're nice types and you keep expecting something big to emerge for him, but the like of Cougar Mountain and Fascinating Rock flatter to deceive while the likes of Palace and Table Rock show admirable toughness and improvement is possible.

I was expecting a repeat of Danehill, lots of 2yo and sprinting stars and a progression to getting Derby and Oaks horses like Danehill himself made. He looks capable of siring Derby and Oaks trial winning horses regularly but there's a spark missing. We'll see how the fancier mares of the last few seasons breeding turn out, fingers crossed because Fastnet promised to be a sire of sires like his old man.

Look at what Mastercraftsman has produced in his first season off modest expectation and how they've progressed. Can't see Coolmore putting the effort into Mastercraftsman to take advantage of his ability as a stallion. He's not a flashy enough stallion producing prospect for them, which is a pity because he's the real deal IMO..

bellybuster12 · 24-09-2014 03:25PM

Dark angels selling well in Tattersalls this week

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The Mig · 02-10-2014 02:41PM

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Huntthe · 03-10-2014 04:06PM

tryfix wrote: »

Fastnet has had 57 runners this year, there's no star and there's no star 2yo. They're nice types and you keep expecting something big to emerge for him, but the like of Cougar Mountain and Fascinating Rock flatter to deceive while the likes of Palace and Table Rock show admirable toughness and improvement is possible.

I was expecting a repeat of Danehill, lots of 2yo and sprinting stars and a progression to getting Derby and Oaks horses like Danehill himself made. He looks capable of siring Derby and Oaks trial winning horses regularly but there's a spark missing. We'll see how the fancier mares of the last few seasons breeding turn out, fingers crossed because Fastnet promised to be a sire of sires like his old man.

Look at what Mastercraftsman has produced in his first season off modest expectation and how they've progressed. Can't see Coolmore putting the effort into Mastercraftsman to take advantage of his ability as a stallion. He's not a flashy enough stallion producing prospect for them, which is a pity because he's the real deal IMO..

I disagree, as a son of danehill dancer and so few good stallion sons of danehill at stud now they will market him to the max. His progeny,just like his sires where, are also very attractive individuals.

tryfix · 03-10-2014 04:59PM

Huntthe wrote: »

I disagree, as a son of danehill dancer and so few good stallion sons of danehill at stud now they will market him to the max. His progeny,just like his sires where, are also very attractive individuals.

I was thinking more about whether they'd use him in a major way themselves as a classic producing stallion, in the way the haven't done with High Chaparral or in the way they didn't get behind Mastercraftsmans first crop while at the same time they did support Rip Van Winkle's first crop.

Hopefully they will take advantage of his huge potential as a stallion. Anyone got any info re their buying of his stock at the sales or the quality and quantity of mares they might be sending him?

Peintre Celebre · 04-10-2014 01:03AM

Peace and War just won. Gr.1 at Keeneland on the dirt for War Front. Seemed to be well below top class in England, must be a bad group of fillies in the states for her to go and beat them in their back yard. Trained by Ollie Stevens

Gringo180 · 04-10-2014 01:18AM

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Peace and War just won. Gr.1 at Keeneland on the dirt for War Front. Seemed to be well below top class in England, must be a bad group of fillies in the states for her to go and beat them in their back yard. Trained by Ollie Stevens

Could be also the surface that brought out improvement in her, I reckon the War Front progeny like the dirt better than the turf.

Peintre Celebre · 04-10-2014 01:34AM

Not necessarily to date War Front's best have been on turf, doesn't make sense for Coolmore to be running dirt horses in Europe. Though its an all American family even though the dam sire was a dirt horse and twice North American champ sire

Huntthe · 31-10-2014 11:50AM

To Coolmore . This horse was very Very well developed as a 2yr old when he won the Norfolk . His trainer even managed to break the casual drug laws in the States. Coolmore should have more respect for Irish breeders.

paddyisreal · 31-10-2014 01:54PM

Was just wondering are coolmore and the maktoums still not talking ? Just saw a few coolmore runners and they are by darley sires. Indianapolis tomorrow in the breeders cup sprint and o brien had an exceed and excel two year out tge other day

FIVE2_THREE · 01-11-2014 04:40PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Was just wondering are coolmore and the maktoums still not talking ? Just saw a few coolmore runners and they are by darley sires. Indianapolis tomorrow in the breeders cup sprint and o brien had an exceed and excel two year out tge other day

What do you mean by "talking" ? if you're asking if they are supporting each others horses openly then the answer is no. If they happen to buy a horse sired by each others stallion it is through a privet sale. the same way the Maktoums acquired New Approach and a promising colt they have in France Big Blue.

FIVE2_THREE · 01-11-2014 04:49PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Could be also the surface that brought out improvement in her, I reckon the War Front progeny like the dirt better than the turf.

His best son to date is Declaration of War who managed to stay good past 2. a rarity for War Front sired horses given that most of the, are good at 2, may train on at 3 but then hit the wall. Like War Command.

mr.jingle · 04-11-2014 08:02PM

Coolmore stud fees released

Australia standing at €50,000

andyman · 04-11-2014 08:35PM

I'd have a bit of Kingsbarns for €6000

Peintre Celebre · 04-11-2014 08:56PM

Kingsbarns doesn't remotely have a stallion's pedigree, I was only wondering today what they were going to do with him. I'd say he will be NH in two years. I see my namesake is gone anyone know where?

Henry had a very bad year his fee will only go one way if he doesn't pick up. Dylan Thomas at 5k is a serious bargain. Not sure of No Nay Never at 20, War Command seems quite high at 15 I'd have thought. No Choisir either

Think Ruler of the World is very well priced at 15k. He has one of the best stallion pedigrees of all of those, half brother to an alright sire, good American page further back, Wolfhound a good sprint sire and Lemon Drop Kid one of the best sons of Kingmambo at stud (his dam is by Kingmambo too)

Edit actually his page is better than I thought. Dual champion North American sire AP Indy is there, as well as Statue of Liberty was a decent 2 year old for O'Brian

tryfix · 04-11-2014 09:08PM

6 Epsom Derby winners on that roster and another few probably on the way. Incredible, and some nice prices about them. Ruler Of The world at €15,000 must be a record low for a first season Derby winning stallion, nicely bred being a half brother to Duke of Marmalade who's been sold, it's a good family and if his brother Giovanni Canaletto does the business next year there'll be a nice publicity boost for the line.

Wouldn't be wild about War Command at €15,000 but I'd rather him than Henry The navigator at the same price.

Peintre Celebre · 04-11-2014 09:42PM

Has anyone had an eye on the Keeneland sales going on, Princess of Sylmar who won the Oaks last year at a huge price sold for 3 million USD last night. A half sister to Medaglia D'oro in foal to War Front just went for over 3.6

Just read rather unsurprisingly bought by M.V

bellybuster12 · 05-11-2014 05:07PM

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Kingsbarns doesn't remotely have a stallion's pedigree, I was only wondering today what they were going to do with him. I'd say he will be NH in two years. I see my namesake is gone anyone know where?

Henry had a very bad year his fee will only go one way if he doesn't pick up. Dylan Thomas at 5k is a serious bargain. Not sure of No Nay Never at 20, War Command seems quite high at 15 I'd have thought. No Choisir either

Think Ruler of the World is very well priced at 15k. He has one of the best stallion pedigrees of all of those, half brother to an alright sire, good American page further back, Wolfhound a good sprint sire and Lemon Drop Kid one of the best sons of Kingmambo at stud (his dam is by Kingmambo too)

Edit actually his page is better than I thought. Dual champion North American sire AP Indy is there, as well as Statue of Liberty was a decent 2 year old for O'Brian

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Andalucia · 06-11-2014 12:06AM

the announcement of the stud fee for Kingsbarns puts an end to the speculation that he was transferred to JP's colours for a jumping campaign, pity really, as he had a better chance of making a career as a hurdler than he does as a stallion

some firepower down Coolmore way alright, though you would have to be selective, I wouldn't pay the fee for War Command with stolen money, I don't get the fascination with the War Front line, seems to be along the lines of the previous fascination with Storm Cat

tryfix · 06-11-2014 02:14AM

Noble Mission is off to stand in the States at $25,000 dollars. I know he's a multiple Gp 1 winning brother to Frankel, but a mud loving slow maturing type ain't exactly an exciting prospect at stud in speed obsessed USA.

Would make a nice NH stallion, has a nice bit of mud loving front running pace that would be ideal for the winter game.

diomed · 06-11-2014 03:23AM

The last 42 Arc winners:

13 won by fillies (12 fillies)*
19 won by colts that went to stud in Europe/USA (18 winners)*
10 won by colts that went to stud in Japan (10 winners)

Alleged and Treve won twice.

Year Winner Stud
1973 Rheingold Japan
1974 Allez France filly
1975 Star Appeal
1976 Ivanjica filly
1977 Alleged
1978 Alleged
1979 Three Troikas filly
1980 Detroit filly
1981 Gold River filly
1982 Akiyda filly
1983 All Along filly
1984 Sagace
1985 Rainbow Quest
1986 Dancing Brave Japan
1987 Trempolino
1988 Tony Bin Japan
1989 Carroll House Japan
1990 Saumarez
1991 Suave Dancer
1992 Subotica
1993 Urban Sea filly
1994 Carnegie Japan
1995 Lammtarra Japan
1996 Helissio Japan
1997 Peintre Celebre
1998 Sagamix
1999 Montjeu
2000 Sinndar
2001 Sakhee
2002 Marienbard Japan
2003 Dalakhani
2004 Bago Japan
2005 Hurricane Run
2006 Rail Link
2007 Dylan Thomas
2008 Zarkava filly
2009 Sea the Stars
2010 Workforce Japan
2011 Danedream filly
2012 Solemia filly
2013 Treve filly
2014 Treve filly

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