Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Right, we seem to be going round in circles here.

Larry, we get it, you are not happy with LVG and the job he has done. You think that given the money he spent and the reputation he has we should now be top of the league and everything back to SAF glory days.

Others appear to be of the view that SAF left a stagnate squad, lacking in quality and that Moyes suffered from that but also appeared not to have the ability to handle the required changes.

Time was proved correct on Moyes, as the performances on the pitch continued to deteriorate and he continued to look and sound like a man out of his depth.

Time will also prove the facts on LVG. At the present time the team is no doubt playing better football, the laughing stock we became under Moyes has gone, if unfortunatley the fear of us still is missing.

We spent huge amounts of money in the summer. But this must be seen against what was essentially no spend the previous summer. Yes we signed Fellani, but effectively that was just a waste of 27m. He is a utility player at best. A panic buy. So LVG was faced with having to rejuvinate a squad that last signed a player in RVP. We needed to get the big signings to stem the tide of us disappearing from the mindset of top players, a la Liverpool. We signed Mata in Jan, but again, that was really just a marque signing, something to try to stem the tide of criticism coming from the stands. Number 10 wasn't the problem.

Pool finished 2nd last year and felt they could then get the players they had missed out on for years as they had CL. But the top players all choose other clubs. Sanchez choose Arsenal. We got ADM and Falcao. That is the point of the big signings. Yes, in terms of the team itself, the money may have been better spent more players of the standard of Shawcross, Milner etc. Decent players. But not marque signings that show the rest of the world where you stand as a club.

We were in grave danger of slipping out of the top teir, we needed to rebrand after the Moyes debacle. LVG was a big part of that, ADM and Falcao also.

I don't think anybody here is happy with how many points we have. Clearly people would prefer if we had won all the games. But it is churlish, and I am the 1st to criticise, to not acknowledge that things are looking far better than last year. We are moving in the right direction, but have some serious problems to deal with in order to get there.

David Moyes likely to be announced as the new Real Sociedad manager.

Moyes was not 100% the fault for last season. Vidic had turned his mind to elsewhere, Rio was leading a revolt against him and Woodward repaid that loyalty by telling him in front of his team mates he would not be staying at the club, RVP was against the manager while injured a lot of the time and it was he who won us the league two years ago for us with vital goals, Rooney injured, Evra playing badly, Rafael injured.

It was the 'it's not Alex Ferguson' we can take liberties by some players. Van Gaal was clever and cleared out a load of players, which made them aware their position was not comfortable, imagine if Moyes had done that, the fans would be crying 'why are you breaking up a title winning team?'

The football under Moyes was uninspiring and subs were too defensive. I think he had the right idea with who he wanted brought in, we had Kroos lined up but seems Kroos and Van Gaal don't mix well.

Moyes is a good manager but was not the right manager for United.
Van Gaal had the experience and authority to manage a club like United, and make tough decisions.
The football is positive, the points total is not good but the signs are this is changing. Played the expected top two and the combined score is United 1- 2 Chelsea/City, this showed things are improving and that is with 10 men for most of one game.

November and December will say a lot for how we are progressing. I believe better times are ahead as the team continues to integrate more and more, we did sign half a new team.

RobertKK wrote: »

David Moyes likely to be announced as the new Real Sociedad manager.

Moyes was not 100% the fault for last season. Vidic had turned his mind to elsewhere, Rio was leading a revolt against him and Woodward repaid that loyalty by telling him in front of his team mates he would not be staying at the club, RVP was against the manager while injured a lot of the time and it was he who won us the league two years ago for us with vital goals, Rooney injured, Evra playing badly, Rafael injured.

It was the 'it's not Alex Ferguson' we can take liberties by some players. Van Gaal was clever and cleared out a load of players, which made them aware their position was not comfortable, imagine if Moyes had done that, the fans would be crying 'why are you breaking up a title winning team?'

The football under Moyes was uninspiring and subs were too defensive. I think he had the right idea with who he wanted brought in, we had Kroos lined up but seems Kroos and Van Gaal don't mix well.

Moyes is a good manager but was not the right manager for United.
Van Gaal had the experience and authority to manage a club like United, and make tough decisions.
The football is positive, the points total is not good but the signs are this is changing. Played the expected top two and the combined score is United 1- 2 Chelsea/City, this showed things are improving and that is with 10 men for most of one game.

November and December will say a lot for how we are progressing. I believe better times are ahead as the team continues to integrate more and more, we did sign half a new team.

It's all Moyes fault that players didn't buy his working methods.

If Van Gaal tried to sell any of the players last season questions would have been asked, since he is doing this season after a disastrous season people can see the players are past it.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

The money should have been spent on players like shawcross and Milner. Ah here, we aren't Liverpool.

Now that would be accepting mediocrity.

Milner would have been very good addition also Shawcross would have made our defense better than it is.

Also we have first refusal for Shawcross, whatever that means.

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

The money should have been spent on players like shawcross and Milner. Ah here, we aren't Liverpool.

Now that would be accepting mediocrity.

I'm a big fan of Milner, he's shockingly unappreciated and is a really, really good player. He has been one of City's best performers this season. His expulsion to the wings is to England and Citys own detriment.

I have seen a significant improvement in last years performances already, however is that a result of a star studded front 5? I believe the players play for Van Gall in a way they would never have for Moyes. Sometimes all you need is to command respect and hard work from your players and you'll be alright.

Jose does this, Wenger does this, Van Gall does this, Moyes didn't do this. I have no doubt that Moyes is a good manager and will turn out to be a great manager for the next team he chooses but I think the United job came to early for him, he would have done well with someone else for 3 years then coming on board, but hey that was never going to happen.

I think people also forget that this year our back 4 are just riddled with injuries, I have no doubt that our best 4 is - Raf - Rojo - Evans - Shaw but we've not seen it yet, if we could get these players playing together for a prolonged period of time I believe results would change.

We leaked goals upon goals but that seems to have stagnated (please god) against Chelsea we defended well and rode our luck at times but we also had genuine opportunities and I believe a draw was warranted.

Again against City we played well in the opening 15 and we were on top, City came back into it and had plenty of it but again we competed well and who knows if the Red didn't happen, what would have happened.

Conceding 2 against the 2 best attacking lineups is a sign of improvement, creating plenty even with 10 men against possibly the 2 best defenses in the league is a sign of improvement.

I have no doubt Van Gall will get this team performing, however I do believe that our defense needs some depth.

What I like about Van Gall that I didn't see in Moyes is that he has a willingness to change, he seen 3 wasn't working he changed it. Last year moyes played ball after ball out wide and it didn't come off but he never bothered to change it.

Am I ecstatic with the start? No. Am I optimistic? Yes. We're getting better, Livepool are getting worse and worse. Arsenal are finding some form and have players back, Spurs are not up to much as are Everton and I don't believe we will see Southampton last the distance.

I'd be very surprised if we finish outside the top4 , and anyone here would have bitten your hand off if you were offered top4 at the end of Last season.

Top 4 this season, with Strootman in for Fellani in the summer and a Defender or 2 and we will be VERY VERY VERY well stocked to go after the league next season.

The difference between Moyes and Van Gaal?

Moyes won one Division Two (League One equivalent) title with Preston.

Van Gaal has won La Liga (2 times), the Bundesliga (1 time), The Erdivisie (4 times), the Champions League (1 time). He just finished 3rd at the World Cup with a slightly above average Dutch squad. I'll ignore the domestic cups he's won for the sake of simplicity.

All of this gutter journalism that Moyes was doing better is hilarious. Look at the Premier league table. Are Southampton better than City? Are West Ham better than United, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs?

With Van Gaal, the club is in safe hands:

Comparing Moyes & LVG is nonsense. Moyes inherited a PL winning squad and did feck all, cant even qualify for Europe.

LVG inherits a team bewildered and lost, buys 1/2 a new team and lads are calling for his head after 10 games. Are you serious???

It's probably been talked to death but this is the first time I've gotten on boards since Sunday. The most irritating thing about Sunday for me wasnt Smalling, but DiMaria and the corners....he consistently cannot beat the first man.

We had two corners in stoppage time and neither got into the mix because the first defender was able to easily sweep it away. It can be argued that he swung in the free that lead to RVPs equaliser last week but more crosses than not didnt make it to their target in that game also.

It drives me mental.

TheFullDuck wrote: »

football manager is so realistic, 2 games into the season my attackers are all out long term :rolleyes:

I haven't played FM since FM12. I would really like to get 15, but I can't because it's a time vampire and I must be strong. :mad: You are not helping.