Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The Moldy Gowl

If Blind could be TC23 replacement, that would be fantastic

Pro. F

Your Airbag wrote: »

Even out of that state we still need players in that area. Everyone and their dog knows it.

Your suggestion is to not let LVG buy in players for that area if we don't improve before January? Quite frankly its a laughable and daft suggestion.

Nobody could have foreseen the depth of our defensive injuries. We have had 10 different CB pairings this season with only four of the 10 playing more than a single game together. Our most consistent CB pairing thus far has been McNair and Rojo.

To suggest not giving LVG money to buy CBs is crazy and would make us a laughing stock as every opposition fan and pundit says it our no.1 priority. You may as well just hand the points over to the other team before kick off.

Can I ask what the alternative in your Master plan is? To not give LVG the cash and watch the goals continue to leak, costing us points and league positions and just sit back and watch our defense fall further apart? Or is it to sack LVG and get who exactly in in January, giving LVG half a season at the helm?

Not giving LVG money in January is the worst idea I've seen on here in a long long time. Its an extremely bizzarre and weird actually. I can't see how anyone in their right mind would think that makes sense.

I know there have been huge problems with defensive injuries, but, for me, that still doesn't excuse how poorly the team have defended.

Even with the injuries, some of the disorganisation in the back line has just not been acceptable. That's not down to a lack of talent, but poor coaching. I've seen plenty of PL and Seria A teams (two leagues where defending is usually at a higher standard) over the years with similar injury problems being better organised defensively.

And the poor organisation in midfield and lack of depth at full-back are two additional serious problems that have been directly caused by LVG himself.

I don't care what other people are saying the team should do. There are a lot of stupid opinions that are agreed on by the majority of fans and pundits.

As I said, I wouldn't be looking at sacking LVG until the back end of the season. I'm only talking about keeping the wallet shut in January, if he doesn't get the players he already has playing better.

Edit: I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Glazers' own plan is to spend whatever they can afford, regardless of how they think the manager is doing, in the hopes of brute-forcing their way back into the CL spots. Their business concerns are probably too pressing to worry about long term success just now.

Blatter

Pro. F wrote: »

From what I've seen just looking at the team line-ups he mixed it up quite a bit.

Link for WC qualifying (the formations aren't always right on that site, but the line-ups are reliable)

That's a great website, thanks for that.

It seems he definitely used Strootman as the deepest CM at times. I don't know how we'll fit another CM in at the moment. Having Carrick, Blind, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, Rooney for three positions is plenty of depth (Four positions if we play the diamond, but di Maria will always take that left CM spot in that case). I think you need to sell one to bring another in and for me, Blind and Carrick are the weakest. Blind has just been bought and is very versatile, so there's no way he'll be going anywhere. From LVG's comments, he seems to really like Carrick, so I think it's unlikely he'll go anywhere.

I think bringing Vidal or Strootman in was planned with the thinking that Fellaini would be leaving. I think his turnaround in form (if he keeps it up) could scrap plans to bring in another CM.

The Moldy Gowl

How many goals is our Christy off the champs leauge record?

Hococop

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How many goals is our Christy off the champs leauge record?

Just the one I think

Timmyctc

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How many goals is our Christy off the champs leauge record?

"Christy"

Sheepy99

Who else is there to sign in midfield instead of Strootman? For all the hype, there seems to be an equal amount claiming that he won't be going anywhere anytime soon which is understandable given he only got to play for around 5 months before he had that long layoff

Your Airbag

Pro. F wrote: »

I know there have been huge problems with defensive injuries, but, for me, that still doesn't excuse how poorly the team have defended.

Even with the injuries, some of the disorganisation in the back line has just not been acceptable. That's not down to a lack of talent, but poor coaching. I've seen plenty of PL and Seria A teams (two leagues where defending is usually at a higher standard) over the years with similar injury problems being better organised defensively.

And the poor organisation in midfield and lack of depth at full-back are two additional serious problems that have been directly caused by LVG himself.

I don't care what other people are saying the team should do. There are a lot of stupid opinions that are agreed on by the majority of fans and pundits.

As I said, I wouldn't be looking at sacking LVG until the back end of the season. I'm only talking about keeping the wallet shut in January, if he doesn't get the players he already has playing better.

Edit: I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Glazers' own plan is to spend whatever they can afford, regardless of how they think the manager is doing, in the hopes of brute-forcing their way back into the CL spots. Their business concerns are probably too pressing to worry about long term success just now.

Whatever about poor organisation and not enough midfeild cover but that wasn't the part of your post I bolded. You said your against giving LVG money to buy defenders if the poor form conitunes. Thats just plain wrong and silly.

Yes there should have been a CB and RB bought but as you said earlier about the MF if the preformances were good its not an issue. LVG isn't a miracle worker, he can't forsee things not working. To say he shouldnt spend to correct things is plain wrong.

Your "youv'e made you bed now lie in it" attitude would have us continue the defensive horror show and possibly cost us foruth again. That would be setting out to purposely harm the team and club.

Thank god everyone else is logical enough to do the exact opposite because its plain and simple we need CB's.

I mentioned the oppositon fans and pundits to point how whenever UTD are talked about and analysed our defense its mentioned and how top heavy we are in atttack. You say you don't care what they think, well you should. Everyone is talking about it becuase its glaringly obvious its our major problem and has become priority no.1 for us to fix in January.

To say you don't want to give LVG the chance to fix this in January, the chance to correct his mistake of not buying CBs in the summer, to continue as we are is completely non-sensical. Thankfully nobody at the club would even entertain the idea of doing something so stupid and wreckless.

We could get some good defenders with EPL experiece without spending a forutune. We should and will. Your idea about doing otherwise is simply wrong no matter how you look at it.

Hococop

madrid have 54 goals in 17 games that is some insane statistic, with the strikers we have we will hopefully be getting the same results soon

Larry Wildman

Van Gaal's tenure has been disastrous. Some posters seem happy to cling to nebulous hope in relation to our prospects. Personally, I prefer to deal in reality - Despite being given an unprecedented warchest, Van Gaal has overseen Manchester United's worst start to a league season for 28 years. I would give him until Christmas. If there is no sign of progress by then, he should be sacked.

ElChe32

Give it a rest Larry, I'm trying to watch Eastenders here.

223vmax

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Van Gaal's tenure has been disastrous. Some posters seem happy to cling to nebulous hope in relation to our prospects. Personally, I prefer to deal in reality - Despite being given an unprecedented warchest, Van Gaal has overseen Manchester United's worst start to a league season for 28 years. I would give him until Christmas. If there is no sign of progress by then, he should be sacked.

You really have no idea. Go and support City.

Larry Wildman

ElChe32 wrote: »

Give it a rest Larry, I'm trying to watch Eastenders here.

Really?

I'm watching a tragedy / comedy on another channel.

mewe

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How many goals is our Christy off the champs leauge record?

Gowan Christy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y22Cripin-s

Timmyctc

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Van Gaal's tenure has been disastrous. Some posters seem happy to cling to nebulous hope in relation to our prospects. Personally, I prefer to deal in reality - Despite being given an unprecedented warchest, Van Gaal has overseen Manchester United's worst start to a league season for 28 years. I would give him until Christmas. If there is no sign of progress by then, he should be sacked.

Are ye sure?

Larry Wildman

Timmyctc wrote: »

Are ye sure?

Worst start to a campaign since '86, no?

Your Airbag

223vmax wrote: »

You really have no idea. Go and support City.

In Larrys defense LVG has had a really bad start. Worse than Moyes. There would be a lynch mob if Moyes was still there. Then theres the money LVG has spent to get off to a worse start.

Saying that I don't agree with Larry. The thing is LVG is rebuilding the UTD team. Moyes just continued with the team Fergie left behind. The preceieved very good league winners squad.

When LVG was stepping in Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs and Buttner had left. Thats a hell of a lot of experience. The pluses for LVG are the progress in a style of play we can see the team trying to play and the positive football.

It was at this point under Moyes where things only continued to get worse. With LVG I can see things getting better plus I'm keeping in mind the rebuild he is doing.

The two situations are very different but LVG is entitled to much criticism. I was doing so a lot earlier but I have seen progress in the philosophy and I want him around.

Larry Wildman

I hope that you're right, Your Airbag. I am genuinely concerned that we're in big trouble with this guy. Fingers crossed that I'm wrong.

bullvine

The problem with moyes was he got a decent run going around christmas but then new year came and things got even worse than before the good run started. We seem to be improving with every game now and hopefully start beating the teams we should be beating but if things get worse than aug/sept the pressure will be on him like it was moyes.

Lord TSC

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Van Gaal's tenure has been disastrous. Some posters seem happy to cling to nebulous hope in relation to our prospects. Personally, I prefer to deal in reality - Despite being given an unprecedented warchest, Van Gaal has overseen Manchester United's worst start to a league season for 28 years. I would give him until Christmas. If there is no sign of progress by then, he should be sacked.

Larry, I can be a bit clearer with this one. I was vague last night, but I'll be specific to you now. Because the last warning was to do with you.

There is a line that can be crossed between being negative and being continuously negative to the point of being disruptive. When every single post you make may as well be a copy/paste job, it makes it look like you are just banging on a drum over and over, looking for reactions. You've posted this post about 4 times in 48 hours now, usually unprovoked, get responses and then ignore them to start it up again.

Negative opinions are welcome if debated and if there's a desire for actual discussion. Unrelenting negativity to the point of trolling a superthread, however, is not tolerated; its soapboxing to take a single sentence, one you know is very controversial, and repeat it ad nausum in a bid to get a response.

You've made the point that LVG should be sacked, and then made it again, and again, and again. You don't need to keep making it over and over, because it rapidly looks like you're trying to bait responses now. If you've got something fresh to add, go ahead, but if you keep using the same language, posting the same post over and over and over, then there'll be further action taken.

(And goes without saying...do not respond to this post publicly).

The Moldy Gowl

I clicked into the sky sports app and ended up on the results.

First 7 games, we won 1.

Then beat west ham, Everton, then drew with west brom. Then Chelsea and man city. We played well at times in all those games, getting consistently better.
I

I'm confident this trend can continue. There is the simple proof that yes there is progress being mad. Albeit a small sample size.

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I clicked into the sky sports app and ended up on the results.

First 7 games, we won 1.

Then beat west ham, Everton, then drew with west brom. Then Chelsea and man city. We played well at times in all those games, getting consistently better.
I

I'm confident this trend can continue. There is the simple proof that yes there is progress being mad. Albeit a small sample size.

But that's 7 points from a possible 15 which is 53 points over a season (i.e. awful)?

DM_7

Does anyone know if United game is on Premier League live/today fm on saturday?

223vmax

Larry Wildman wrote: »

But that's 7 points from a possible 15 which is 53 points over a season (i.e. awful)?

Now your view is purely hypothetical.

ericzeking

223vmax wrote: »

You really have no idea. Go and support City.

I think it's a bit incredulous for any United fan to say something like this after the vast majority turned on last years manager after less than 10 months. Now maybe you were in the minority who didn't and I apologise if you were.

In other news, its being reported on eurosport that rojo could be out for 3 months...dunno if that was covered here.

I reckon we'll see quite a bit of Carrick at CB, I wouldn't be surprised if LVG sees that as a semi permanent position for him judging by the way he has the defence playing.

Antibac

DM_7 wrote: »

Does anyone know if United game is on Premier League live/today fm on saturday?

Yea it is. Liverpool Chelsea on before it

DM_7

Antibac wrote: »

Yea it is. Liverpool Chelsea on before it

Thank you

I can now make sure I at least hear the game

Nalz

Larry Wildman wrote: »

But that's 7 points from a possible 15 which is 53 points over a season (i.e. awful)?

If you're a mathematician that is getting closer to the formula but still not getting the conclusion\result means not continuous failure but in fact strong progression

Mars Bar

For the amount of appearances Hernandez is making at Real, he might as well have stayed with us.

223vmax

Yes I would have given Moyes 18 months in the job. I'd of possibly anticipated 1 year without CL but not 2. So if by this Xmas no improvement show the door. Man U manager is massive boots to fill, don't under estimate the task. Being the biggest club in the world has its drawbacks

I said that here a while ago. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89203500