Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

jamesbere · 03-11-2014 05:23PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Wasn't Brian O Driscoll out for 6/7 months when he dislocated his on the Lions Tour in 2005? Granted his was as nasty as I've seen.

After been speared tackled by 2 new Zealand player's, I'm surprised he wasn't out for 6/7 year's.

kstand · 03-11-2014 05:25PM

irishfeen wrote: »

What the hell is the story with the injury at all - Rojo seems to think he himself is fine... strange old one.

2 CB's in January I think are now on the way.

Who though?
People keep harping on about Hummells, I have my doubts - have a feeling that he's a bit too slow. We'd all love Varane but not a hope of that happening.
So who else out there is good enough? Mangala was raved about at one point and he cant even get a game ahead of Demichelis at Man City. There aren't too many Vidics out there right now. Goes to show the mistake it was to let him go.

kryogen · 03-11-2014 05:26PM

Hummels is injured again, would fit right in.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 05:27PM

We didn't leave him go, he left. He is strong white independent Serbian who don't owe a club anything.

keeponhurling · 03-11-2014 05:37PM

D-FENS wrote: »

Men are wimps these days compared to the likes of Robbo in the 80's, he probably used the Mel Gibson/Lethal Weapon method for dealing with dislocated shoulders...

Robson had just about every injury you could possibly get, at one stage or another.

A superior version of Phil jones, sort of

homerjay2005 · 03-11-2014 06:03PM

kstand wrote: »

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

i think apart from 1 or 2 flashes around this time last season, he has been really poor. his performances have been totally over rated, because of his age.

he has a huge amount of developing to do, of course this is normal considering how old he is but i think at this point in time, he is not up to the level that is needed.

homerjay2005 · 03-11-2014 06:09PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

We didn't leave him go, he left. He is strong white independent Serbian who don't owe a club anything.

he left because of Moyes , but we left his contract run down and that was very very poor from the club. we only offer one year contracts to players over 30 once their deal runs out and Vidic wanted a 3 year deal - the club didnt give it and he left. id be pretty sure had we tied him into a 2 year deal last year, instead of a one year deal, he would not have left especially with Moyes getting the boot.

now you could look at it another way and say that if he really wanted to stay, he would have and if one year rolling contracts were good enough for Rio, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs and Van Der Sar, then Vidic should have accepted the same.

03-11-2014 06:09PM

kstand wrote: »

Who though?
People keep harping on about Hummells, I have my doubts - have a feeling that he's a bit too slow. We'd all love Varane but not a hope of that happening.
So who else out there is good enough? Mangala was raved about at one point and he cant even get a game ahead of Demichelis at Man City. There aren't too many Vidics out there right now. Goes to show the mistake it was to let him go.

Vidic has been terrible this season by all accounts.

Kirby · 03-11-2014 06:20PM

Sentiment has its place but you cant let heart rule the head. Vidic was past his best. A one year deal was the right option and he didn't accept it. That's football.

Montroseee · 03-11-2014 06:23PM

kstand wrote: »

Who though?
People keep harping on about Hummells, I have my doubts - have a feeling that he's a bit too slow. We'd all love Varane but not a hope of that happening.
So who else out there is good enough? Mangala was raved about at one point and he cant even get a game ahead of Demichelis at Man City. There aren't too many Vidics out there right now. Goes to show the mistake it was to let him go.

Ginter at Dortmund is gonna be a star, hope UTD. go for him. Godin, David Abraham, Joel Matip etc. There are a quite a few players that are better options than most of our CB's. Unfortunate injury to Rojo but he has impressed IMO.

homerjay2005 · 03-11-2014 06:30PM

Kirby wrote: »

Sentiment has its place but you cant let heart rule the head. Vidic was past his best. A one year deal was the right option and he didn't accept it. That's football.

Vidic still has plenty to offer IMO, if you are judging him on last season then you could say 22 of our squad were past their best.

id rather have him around right now than the injury hit trio we have. he probably has played more game time in the league, than 4 or 5 of our centerbacks combined and that sort of solidity is what we need right now

with no cup or euro football, this season could have been ideal for Vidic and if i could take back one player who left, it would be him. people keep saying he has been poor for Inter, so what. theres no guarantee he'd have been that bad for us and maybe just maybe, he is regretting leaving united and isnt fully commited or happy in Milan.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 06:37PM

yeah, I kinda agree with Homer for once. If he wanted to leave by himself, then fair enough, he is just like us.

But if they club wouldnt budge on their negative policy for over 30 year olds, even though they have been among our better players in the last 5 years, giggs,scholes,vidic, ferdinand, VDS, its kinda annoying they couldnt bend it, or be flexible. Its a stupid rule.

Mantis Toboggan · 03-11-2014 06:50PM

Aye, only offering a 1 year deal for Vidic while Valencia got a new 3 year deal at the start of this season while nani got a new 5 year deal at the start of last season makes completely no sense when no replacement had been signed up.

03-11-2014 06:57PM

On the shoulder dislocation recovery time. I did mine in kick boxing and it took nearly a year to get it right. It's not just the repair work, it's the building up of the supporting structure around it that adds to the recovery time. It might feel fine but it could still be prone to dislocate again without the proper strengthening work done after surgery and recovery.

Larry Wildman · 03-11-2014 07:01PM

A question for the Van Gaal fans...

Compared to Moyes, Van Gaal has obtained worse results with a far bigger outlay and with far easier games. So how exactly is he doing a good job? Because Angel Di Maria looks world class? Neil Warnock would have signed Angel Di Maria.

Let's call a spade a spade...Van Gaal's reign has been disastrous using the only metrics that counts - Results and points on the board. The sad fact is that we've spent hundreds of millions and yet the only guys that you'd want to build a team around are De Gea, Shaw (possibly), Di Maria, Blind and Rooney (with the jury still out on Falcao). We've spent more than City for God's sake and we're still miles off where we need to be.

03-11-2014 07:05PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

A question for the Van Gaal fans...

Compared to Moyes, Van Gaal has obtained worse results with a far bigger outlay and with far easier games. So how exactly is he doing a good job? Because Angel Di Maria looks world class? Neil Warnock would have signed Angel Di Maria.

Let's call a spade a spade...Van Gaal's reign has been disastrous using the only metrics that counts - Results and points on the board. The sad fact is that we've spent hundreds of millions and yet the only guys that you'd want to build a team around are De Gea, Shaw (possibly), Di Maria, Blind and Rooney (with the jury still out on Falcao). We've spent more than City for God's sake and we're still miles off where we need to be.

You keep banging that drum, that question has been answered a million times. We know where you stand, you know where we stand. We disagree. Give it a fúcking rest please.

Larry Wildman · 03-11-2014 07:08PM

Sacramento wrote: »

You keep banging that drum, that question has been answered a million times. We know where you stand, you know where we stand. We disagree. Give it a fúcking rest please.

No it hasn't...

Mediocrity is being accepted by United fans...mediocrity that would never have been tolerated by Alex Ferguson in his prime.

03-11-2014 07:09PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Robson had just about every injury you could possibly get, at one stage or another.

A superior version of Phil jones, sort of

Kevin Moran was another warrior. I remember him being stretchered off at villa park in a cup semi with blood pouring from his head and giving the thumbs up to the applauding fans whilst being carried off, he was tough!

Mantis Toboggan · 03-11-2014 07:17PM

zorro2566 wrote: »

Kevin Moran was another warrior. I remember him being stretchered off at villa park in a cup semi with blood pouring from his head and giving the thumbs up to the applauding fans whilst being carried off, he was tough!

Not according to Fergie

UnitedIrishman · 03-11-2014 07:17PM

Wilson with another goal in the U21's.

https://vine.co/v/OOPvjgwwahO

1-0 up.

Mantis Toboggan · 03-11-2014 07:19PM

My lord, what was the keeper at?

gosplan · 03-11-2014 07:20PM

Sacramento wrote: »

You keep banging that drum, that question has been answered a million times. We know where you stand, you know where we stand. We disagree. Give it a fúcking rest please.

Larry Wildman wrote: »

No it hasn't...

Not being a Utd fan and being totally impartial, I think I can answer this.

For me the jury's still out on Van Gaal but Utd seem to be moving in the right direction.

The start was really Moyes' best bit and it just got steadily worse. I think that's because he tried to be Fergie MK II and it just slowly unravels.

LVG seems to have his own ideas and notions and he's busy putting his stamp on the club.

You have to believe in him. I mean what's the alternatives - new manager get 10 games before they're moved on?

For the record, I don't think LVG is all that but give him 2/3 years and he'll steady the ship and get you in the CL again.

Larry Wildman · 03-11-2014 07:29PM

gosplan wrote: »

Not being a Utd fan and being totally impartial, I think I can answer this.

For me the jury's still out on Van Gaal but Utd seem to be moving in the right direction.

The start was really Moyes' best bit and it just got steadily worse. I think that's because he tried to be Fergie MK II and it just slowly unravels.

LVG seems to have his own ideas and notions and he's busy putting his stamp on the club.

You have to believe in him. I mean what's the alternatives - new manager get 10 games before they're moved on?

For the record, I don't think LVG is all that but give him 2/3 years and he'll steady the ship and get you in the CL again.

Good post.

I just see very little to make me believe. Money was thrown at the problem, but anyone can do that. The five at the back thing was there and then it was gone. It's difficult to see what type of style we're trying to play. The jury's still out on a number of the purchases and areas that required strengthening seem to have been ignored.

The sad fact is that the right manager (Jose) was available in 2013 but we went a crazy route instead.

Robson99 · 03-11-2014 07:34PM

kstand wrote: »

Who though?
People keep harping on about Hummells, I have my doubts - have a feeling that he's a bit too slow. We'd all love Varane but not a hope of that happening.
So who else out there is good enough? Mangala was raved about at one point and he cant even get a game ahead of Demichelis at Man City. There aren't too many Vidics out there right now. Goes to show the mistake it was to let him go.

Subotic, Howedes, Godin, Cheillini or Garay would be cheaper and possibly pound for pound better value than Hummels and possibly easier to sign imo

Kerrydude1981 · 03-11-2014 07:46PM

Was watching Neville there,he was on about RVP making runs and his team mates not picking him out,he said Utd have to start getting the ball quicker into him,he also pointed out that Blind has to start looking for RVP runs more instead of taking the safe option.

Billy86 · 03-11-2014 07:55PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

No it hasn't...

Mediocrity is being accepted by United fans...mediocrity that would never have been tolerated by Alex Ferguson in his prime.

It has been answered. Over and over and over it has. Yet you never reply to it, and ask the question again a few days later. Get it answered, don't reply, ask the question again a few days later. Get it answered, don't reply, ask again a few days later. Get it...

03-11-2014 08:18PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

No it hasn't...

Mediocrity is being accepted by United fans...mediocrity that would never have been tolerated by Alex Ferguson in his prime.

Yeah yeah yeah.. It has been answered, you just don't read it or pretend not to. We don't agree with your mediocrity statement. There's signs that things are moving in the right direction, progress and style of play, and this is in direct contrast to the Moyes era. You don't agree, that's grand, I don't care. There you go answered. Can you stop asking now?

Kerrydude1981 · 03-11-2014 08:25PM

The big difference I can see is that the team actually seem give a sh1te this season,they were just going through the motions last season.

If the spirit stays high in the squad and they keep working then results will improve.

And it would be great if the injury curse would just jog on.

03-11-2014 08:29PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

The big difference I can see it that the team actually seem give a sh1te this season,they were just going through the motions last season.

If the spirit stays high in the squad and they keep working then results will improve.

And it would be great if the injury curse would just jog on.

Another good point, agreed, the motivation LVG instills in the players is another huge improvement.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-11-2014 08:35PM

Plenty to be positive about though so far this season

The attitude seems to be back. Yesterday while we did not get anything the fight and spirit.
We look a dangerous when we are in attack. The pace we play at is much better then last season.
LVG giving the Youth a chance. He could have easily binned this approach after the Leicester game for example.
His faith in Fellaini and his mini revial is most welcome.

No question the total points we have is disappointing. But man, people are forgetting the injury list too. I know its mentioned here lot but seems to be shoved away by the disappointed fans so far.

We had Vidic and Rio playing in games we got spanked in last season by likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea come to mind, yet yesterday we only conceded 1 goal, down to 10 men against the Champions, in their back yard, finishing with CB pairing of Carrick and McNair.

The injury list was bad for last 3-4 years but its been off the scale this season. LVG has been unable to have settled team yet. I think even the Special One would find it difficult to get the very best from a group of players where some are still only developing. You got to hand it to LVG for keeping faith with the young lads.

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