Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Whatsisname · 02-11-2014 11:24PM

https://twitter.com/marcosrojo5/status/529050947407069185

No way did we just get good defensive news

Pighead · 03-11-2014 12:00AM

kryogen wrote: »

The performances were good, the results will follow. Its a process, but one I think its started to reach fruition. So much more to be positive about this season compared to last season. Points tally now and then makes little difference to be honest, its where we end up at the season end that counts.

Agree with this. Some of the one touch quick passing has been a joy to watch over the past couple of weeks. You can see it's slowly starting to click. Utd will be dishing out a hiding pretty soon I reckon. Maybe even against Palace on Saturday.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-11-2014 12:25AM

I hope thats good news. Good news to us is him being out for 2 months instead of 3 though

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Maximus Alexander · 03-11-2014 12:27AM

If it's just a dislocated shoulder I'd expect him back pretty quickly.

Whatsisname · 03-11-2014 12:29AM

On reddit, someone translated it (which I now see ya don't need to be fluent in spanish to understand) "thank god it was only a bad moment" whether thats the injury or what I dunno

gosplan · 03-11-2014 12:30AM

Pighead wrote: »

Agree with this. Some of the one touch quick passing has been a joy to watch over the past couple of weeks. You can see it's slowly starting to click. Utd will be dishing out a hiding pretty soon I reckon. Maybe even against Palace on Saturday.

Yeah, you can clearly see the difference in attitude and belief this time around.

It's funny but being arrogant and simply speaking like the manager of a big club might be the biggest difference between the two.

Hococop · 03-11-2014 12:32AM

My guess is means thank god it was nothing too serious (nothing broken or ligaments damaged)

J. Marston · 03-11-2014 01:43AM

Dislocated shoulder, pff. Just pop it back in like Riggs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igrdi_lhhW4

beno619 · 03-11-2014 08:15AM

KH25 wrote:

This a season after they absolutely tore Moyes to shreds. Rags the lot of them.

They gave him a lot of time tbf.

KH25 · 03-11-2014 08:16AM

beno619 wrote: »

They gave him a lot of time tbf.

Yeah but then they leaped on him. Its the same for all PL managers. They're sharpening the knives for Rodgers at this stage.

Leroy42 · 03-11-2014 08:55AM

That performance wasn't good. What part of the performance are people happy about?

RVP offered nothing, Rooney did little all game. Adnan continues to offer little of an end product.

Fellani, well he was back to his best from last year. Lots of running around, nearly making it and being clumsy to give away frees and what should have been penalties. He also, unforgivably pulled out of a number of tackles. He gave the ball away in the move that lead to Smalling having his brainfart and he pulled out of a tackle which lead directly to the goal. 1.5 decent performaces and then back to his normal standard.

De Gea was decent, but if Mignolet had done the same flap that DDG did at a cross we would all have been laughing. He is still one of the brightspots.

Rojo is either not good enough or struggling to settle. Given the changes in the back I'm willing to give him the beneifit but he needs to seriously buck up.

Smalling, well that should be the end of him at Utd. The manager warned them prior to the game about staying focused. I don't think the 1st yellow was even a free never mind a yellow, but once your're on a yellow you need to manage yourself. He slid in on Milner for fecks sake. Exactly what was Milner going to do with that ball. At the most he was going to cross it in. Stand up and force him to the end line. Jebus. He has had more than enough changes, he has played 100+ PL games and he still doesn't get it.

Shaw, jebus, where to start. How anybody thought this guy was worth 30+ million I don't know. He offered little going forward, which apparently is a strong point of his, and he is continually caught out of poisiton when defending. If he is the future than we are in bigger trouble than I thought. The only good thing is that I think if we fix the CB's. Rojo will move to that poisiton and solve many of the problems

Valencia, well if the others were fit he wouldn't be playing so can't really blame him. He did what he always does.

The fact that Carrick was our best Cb says it all. MCNair was out of his depth. Again, no real issue with him, he looks decent and none of it was his fault.

Blind played alright. Nothing great, he's clearly too slow but a nice player to have in the squad.

ADM, provided very little to the game. Gave one perfect whipped free kick which Fellani totally misjudged but didn't offer much more. No doubt he is a class act, team must be able to carry him on his offdays as he will have plenty of on days.

The only reason we threatened towards the end was down to City losing the plot. They sat deeper and deeper. Had they gone for it they would have thumped us.

LVG isn't exactly setting the world alight. He has failed to deal with the defence, our midfield isn't any stronger than last year. He has failed to get anything from RVP. His slump was blamed on MOyes, yet LVG seems powerless to do anything about it.

We are only close to 4th because the other teams around us are just as bad. We are now relying on Southamton and West Ham falling off during the rest of the campaign in order to make the top 4. 150m spent, a much easier opening quarter fixture list and we are worse off.

I have no idea where this positivity is coming from. I still think we'll make top 4 but only becasue of other team failings rather than us actually dong somehting.

MagicIRL · 03-11-2014 08:56AM

I imagine LvG will be given more time than Moyes purely because of the style of performances his team are putting in, and his history with big clubs, but 13 points from 10 is a shocking return.

advertsfox · 03-11-2014 09:07AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I imagine LvG will be given more time than Moyes purely because of the style of performances his team are putting in, and his history with big clubs, but 13 points from 10 is a shocking return.

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223vmax · 03-11-2014 09:12AM

Points total so far is shocking. However, the players we've bought and the way the team is playing is almost as important as points total. Its very encouraging to see how they are playing and partnerships are developing. Surely if this continues the points will look after themselves. Everyone knows defence isn't so strong and will be addressed in Jan. I'd rather be where we are now with LVG than this time last year even if we're on less points.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 09:16AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

That performance wasn't good. What part of the performance are people happy about?

RVP offered nothing, Rooney did little all game. Adnan continues to offer little of an end product.

Fellani, well he was back to his best from last year. Lots of running around, nearly making it and being clumsy to give away frees and what should have been penalties. He also, unforgivably pulled out of a number of tackles. He gave the ball away in the move that lead to Smalling having his brainfart and he pulled out of a tackle which lead directly to the goal. 1.5 decent performaces and then back to his normal standard.

De Gea was decent, but if Mignolet had done the same flap that DDG did at a cross we would all have been laughing. He is still one of the brightspots.

Rojo is either not good enough or struggling to settle. Given the changes in the back I'm willing to give him the beneifit but he needs to seriously buck up.

Smalling, well that should be the end of him at Utd. The manager warned them prior to the game about staying focused. I don't think the 1st yellow was even a free never mind a yellow, but once your're on a yellow you need to manage yourself. He slid in on Milner for fecks sake. Exactly what was Milner going to do with that ball. At the most he was going to cross it in. Stand up and force him to the end line. Jebus. He has had more than enough changes, he has played 100+ PL games and he still doesn't get it.

Shaw, jebus, where to start. How anybody thought this guy was worth 30+ million I don't know. He offered little going forward, which apparently is a strong point of his, and he is continually caught out of poisiton when defending. If he is the future than we are in bigger trouble than I thought. The only good thing is that I think if we fix the CB's. Rojo will move to that poisiton and solve many of the problems

Valencia, well if the others were fit he wouldn't be playing so can't really blame him. He did what he always does.

The fact that Carrick was our best Cb says it all. MCNair was out of his depth. Again, no real issue with him, he looks decent and none of it was his fault.

Blind played alright. Nothing great, he's clearly too slow but a nice player to have in the squad.

ADM, provided very little to the game. Gave one perfect whipped free kick which Fellani totally misjudged but didn't offer much more. No doubt he is a class act, team must be able to carry him on his offdays as he will have plenty of on days.

The only reason we threatened towards the end was down to City losing the plot. They sat deeper and deeper. Had they gone for it they would have thumped us.

LVG isn't exactly setting the world alight. He has failed to deal with the defence, our midfield isn't any stronger than last year. He has failed to get anything from RVP. His slump was blamed on MOyes, yet LVG seems powerless to do anything about it.

We are only close to 4th because the other teams around us are just as bad. We are now relying on Southamton and West Ham falling off during the rest of the campaign in order to make the top 4. 150m spent, a much easier opening quarter fixture list and we are worse off.

I have no idea where this positivity is coming from. I still think we'll make top 4 but only becasue of other team failings rather than us actually dong somehting.

We'll someone is a negative nelly. You are being outstandingly harsh and over critical and a lot of what you said was wrong, especially about Fellaini and well everything else really apart from Smalling.

Actually. It's pretty much all nonsense.

Backstreet Moyes · 03-11-2014 09:18AM

Leroy i am not going to bother quoting your whole post because their is so much wrong with it.

Well the first thing to be positive about yesterday was we didn't get hammered. City have bulldozed us the last few seasons and up to the sending off it was perfectly balanced. Even with 10 men we pinned them down and to be honest we deserved to score a goal.

Our football was lovely to watch nice interchange quick passing and movement. Fellaini was at the heart of this for people who say he is clumbsy and too slow on the ball just need to watch the last few games. Fellaini was the best player on the pitch yesterday he outperformed Toure who has bullied us for years.

De Gea made several good saves yesterday but you decide to pick out one mistake to discredit him which is unfair.

Shaw spent an hour with no support in front of him. He was left isolated and done very well considering the circumstances it was a very good performance.

Again McNair didn't put a foot wrong i see no reason for you to even mention him in your criticism.

Again Rojo while not being totally convinced yet i didn't see anything he done wrong yesterday he marshaled Aguero quite well.

Smalling ye he was good against Chelsea and yesterday up to his sending off but i wouln't be surprised if that finishes his career at United.

RVP was isolated and didn't get much service he showed a single bit of magic that could have got us back level.

Rooney in the second half looked like his old self. His passing and first touch was very good. He produced a dribbling run that he hasn't done in years.

I actually don't know how a United fan can't find any positives from yesterday away to a side that have tore us to shreds in recent years. If you can't see any positives or the difference in performances than i just can't really understand it.

eamondunphy · 03-11-2014 09:22AM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

You'd have said the same about our first six games of the season, and they ended up being largely an unmitigated disaster.

Why is Van Gaal getting such an easy ride? The results are worse than under Moyes. Our defence is a shambles. Any good moments tend to be just the product of some individual good play rather than us overwhelming the opposition with quality play.

Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?

When we signing Vidal???

Leroy42 · 03-11-2014 09:33AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Leroy i am not going to bother quoting your whole post because their is so much wrong with it.

Well the first thing to be positive about yesterday was we didn't get hammered. City have bulldozed us the last few seasons and up to the sending off it was perfectly balanced. Even with 10 men we pinned them down and to be honest we deserved to score a goal.

Our football was lovely to watch nice interchange quick passing and movement. Fellaini was at the heart of this for people who say he is clumbsy and too slow on the ball just need to watch the last few games. Fellaini was the best player on the pitch yesterday he outperformed Toure who has bullied us for years.

De Gea made several good saves yesterday but you decide to pick out one mistake to discredit him which is unfair.

Shaw spent an hour with no support in front of him. He was left isolated and done very well considering the circumstances it was a very good performance.

Again McNair didn't put a foot wrong i see no reason for you to even mention him in your criticism.

Again Rojo while not being totally convinced yet i didn't see anything he done wrong yesterday he marshaled Aguero quite well.

Smalling ye he was good against Chelsea and yesterday up to his sending off but i wouln't be surprised if that finishes his career at United.

RVP was isolated and didn't get much service he showed a single bit of magic that could have got us back level.

Rooney in the second half looked like his old self. His passing and first touch was very good. He produced a dribbling run that he hasn't done in years.

I actually don't know how a United fan can't find any positives from yesterday away to a side that have tore us to shreds in recent years. If you can't see any positives or the difference in performances than i just can't really understand it.

So basically everything was fine except that we didn't play particularly well! Lots of excuses in that reponse, and I'm not saying they are not valid, but to be happy we were no hammered? Really. Last year is the standard now? Last year was a disaster, Utd should not be comparing anything to that. We spent 150m, yesterday we had the most expensice starting 11 in the PL apparently) and you guys are happy with that.

Shaw. I agree about the protection, but he is continually caught out of position and then racing back to cover. He either has no ability to read a game, or had concentration issues.

I said the DDG is the brightspot. It is still legitimate to mention what was a pretty major mistake on his part. Could eaily have been a goal.

If Fellani, invloved in two penalty claims, pulled out of numerous tackles, two of them leading directly to game changing instances, is considered as playing well then I fear for UTD. Fellani did not contain Toure of last year, he merely played aginst Toure of this year, a much lessor player. Anyone who tries to assign the importance oif Toure this lyear to last is not facing reality.

I didn't mention anyhting negative about McNair, it is clear he is out of his depth at this point of his career. If it wasn't for inhuries he wouldn't be near the team. Not his fault, he has done the job well. But he is currently not the level we need.

Rooney and RVP job is to score goals and create chances. How many did we get? Fine to blame the rest of the team, but then you can't complain when I mention that the rest of the team is not good enough

We agree on Rojo. I think h ewill be a great signing for us, but he will take time to settle and had a good game for the most part.

Again, this is not City that played us last year. They are a team struggling for form, shorn of some of their better players, Silva through injury and Toure through malise/indifference. To be happy that we only got beat 1-0 (and got a great deal of luck in the penalties) by a team that have lost their last two and doing badly in Europe!

advertsfox · 03-11-2014 09:41AM

I'm so sick of seeing RVP getting a free pass lately, he's nowhere near fast enough to be playing on his own in 4-5-1 / 4-4-1-1 - I was delighted to see him actually subbed for Wilson who is a spritely and tricky player to play against, I'd really like to see him start a game soon. Below for Rooneys post match interview, great to have him back.

bangkok · 03-11-2014 10:22AM

59m di maria cant even clear the first man with a corner. shocking. need to get rvp back on corners asap

Giggsy11 · 03-11-2014 10:23AM

Some stat.. No wonder we are defensively very shaky. Continuity is very important to build defensively solid team.

Only one center-back pairing has completed 90 minutes twice this season for Manchester United - McNair & Rojo.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 10:33AM

bangkok wrote: »

59m di maria cant even clear the first man with a corner. shocking. need to get rvp back on corners asap

If you bothered to check, I explained this yesterday.
But sure go ahead and complain. A professional footballer can't kick a ball. Yeah. Ok. My nana could do better and is faster than rvp

kryogen · 03-11-2014 10:34AM

In fairness your nana has an olympic gold medal in the 100m sprint iirc

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 10:41AM

kryogen wrote: »

In fairness your nana has an olympic gold medal in the 100m sprint iirc

Champion of the over 70s for the last 20 years. The coughing and spluttering gets her over the line. Celebrates by cooking me an apple pie

bangkok · 03-11-2014 10:44AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If you bothered to check, I explained this yesterday.
But sure go ahead and complain. A professional footballer can't kick a ball. Yeah. Ok. My nana could do better and is faster than rvp

didn't see it. Could you copy and paste it back and I will see what you said?

before you show me as well, there is no excusing it either. its a dead ball, he has time to take it, centre backs have got forward, there is no way he should be hitting the first man. Never

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 10:48AM

bangkok wrote: »

didn't see it. Could you copy and paste it back and I will see what you said?

before you show me as well, there is no excusing it either. its a dead ball, he has time to take it, centre backs have got forward, there is no way he should be hitting the first man. Never

Naw. It wa after one of larrys meltdowns.

bangkok · 03-11-2014 10:54AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Naw. It wa after one of larrys meltdowns.

but you surely agree di maria has to be taken off corners?

The Moldy Gowl · 03-11-2014 11:01AM

bangkok wrote: »

but you surely agree di maria has to be taken off corners?

I'm sure there is a reason he is taken them. It's all very easy to have a knee jerk reaction to these kinda things.

I like to put my trust in the people training day in day out with coaches and set pieces are set up for a reason. Blind faith some might call it, but its really not.

Do I start shouting at someone in macdonalds calling them a spoofer because I have no idea what their job actually is, sure, I can make a burger at home, just like I can kick a ball. Once you take the knee jerky stuff and emotion out of it, you can trust the staff know what they are doing.

Larry Wildman · 03-11-2014 11:16AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Well the first thing to be positive about yesterday was we didn't get hammered

That's how low we've sunk...we're Manchester United for f..k sake. People are being brainwashed and nowhere is it more evident than in this thread.

Not getting a hiding and Maruoane Fellaini running around fouling people aren't things to get excited about.

We are tolerating mediocrity.

Van Gaal should be sacked and a team should be built around De Gea, Shaw, Blind, Di Maria and Rooney. Everyone else is just mediocrity personified (excluding Falcao who we're yet to really see).

adox · 03-11-2014 11:18AM

Di Maria has shown that he is excellent with a dead ball. His free kicks have been fantastic in general and his corners for the most part have been fine.

Sure he hit two or three in a row yesterday that didnt clear the first man, and that is disappointing, but in no way should it be a deciding factor on whether he takes them or not.

Too much knee jerking going on and also lazy arguments of "oh so everything is great then is it?" which I dont think anyone has claimed.

The club was at rock bottom at the end of last season. A new proven manager is in charge, has invested heavily in the team. Hell half the starting line up these days are new players so there is of course going to be a bedding in time. The injuries have been horrendous, especially at the back and that just cant be underestimated in the effect it is having.

Despite all that there are positive signs and the style of play is already a million miles better than last year. There is an obvious style that Utd are trying to play and more importantly the players look like they believe in it and are commited to the cause.

I still think it was a mistake not to buy another CB in the summer and perhaps another CM, although Fellaini has really stepped up the last few games.
I predicted we would finish 5th at best this season because of the lack of additions at the back but I have revised that now and think we have a realistic shout for the top four. The league has been very poor so far this season, well at least from the top 4 contenders so Utd will most likely be there or there abouts.

There was never going to be a quick fix after the debacle of last year. Anyone who expected Utd to just hit the ground running again and challenge for top stop was deluded. Patience and perspective are whats needed. No one like to see Utd lose and no one is happy with the points haul so far but at the same time those two factors cant be let cloud people judgement.

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