decent wages

29-10-2014 10:17AM

EIREAROEIRE wrote: »

sorry mod was tryin to be funny not offensive that post shall be retracted sorrrrrrrrry all

To get the money you want you are talking about roughly a job that pays 40k to 45k a year, now I am not saying its not possible to get a job that pays that kind of money with no qualification's and lets you be around for you children, but I would say its very rare.

Realistically you are going to have to face the fact that you will need to do some sort of training to get a job that pays what you.

Years ago jobs in the ESB or Eircom unskilled worker got money like that but those day are long gone.

drumswan · 29-10-2014 10:50AM

bilbot79 wrote: »

I see a lot of folk referencing the fact that it is illegal to work more than 48hrs. I can tell you in the real world that piece of legislation doesn't matter one iota.
Successful people are literally always at work. 12hrs a day, weekends, you name it.

Thats not success.

chrysagon · 29-10-2014 10:56AM

ESRI will tell you the average industrial wage is still over 35k/yr

desertcircus · 29-10-2014 11:02AM

The bar on working over 48 hours per week might not be enforced, but it bloody should be. It's there for a good reason: to prevent employers doing more or less exactly what bilbot79 argues employers are doing. Promoting only people who are willing to work more hours per week than is legally permissible is an abysmal way of treating staff. There's a vast disparity of power in the negotiation between employer and employee regarding how many hours of work they're expected to do, and the 48-hour maximum is there specifically to make sure that employers don't use promotion as a tool to get huge chunks of their workforce to do illegal unpaid overtime at the expense of their personal lives.

Aside from that, there's evidence indicating that the quality of work produced during long shifts deteriorates to the point that an average person doesn't get any more done working sixty hours a week than if they worked 45.

l19861986 · 29-10-2014 07:40PM

@billbot79, Modern employers actually care about their employees and encourage a healthy work - life balance. Nera do enforce the 48 hour rule (over 4 months) and the penalties are heavy. As a "successful" HR Manager, my colleagues and I are well able to complete our work to a high standard within our rostered hours. The sign of a good Manager is one whose department runs as good as if s/he were there, when they are not. This concept of "lunches are for wimps" is outdated and hardly motivating people to give their best in work. Drive and Ambition are really important but should not be confused with modern day slavery i.e. working 60 + hour working weeks (outside of a once off) well rested and being appreciated by your manager etc is the best source of motivation. A highly motivated workforce generally gets the most productivity.

Stheno · 29-10-2014 11:45PM

l19861986 wrote: »

A highly motivated workforce generally gets the most productivity.

Agreed, I've worked the past 5 years in jobs which are based in multiple locations or working from home, and grown to enjoy the freedom.

It's a given that some days you have to be somewhere, but my jobs have been flexible to the point that you can announce "I'm driving home now" at lunchtime.

Benefit to me? Avoiding traffic.

Benefit to the job? At 5pm when I'd normally finish, I say "feck it, I didn't spend an hour and a half in the traffic, I'll give the job another hour".

They get a return three times on their flexible work practices from me as I appreciate it

and it suits me personally

donkey balls · 30-10-2014 12:27AM

Depending on what industry you work in the 48 hr week is enforced it can be broken down to an average 48 hr over a 17 or 26 week period,If an employee was working in excess of those hours and had an accident were by the HSA gets involved the employer could face prosecution.
As for the decent wage it really depends on a number of things like experience & qualifications the person has and the job they do,In a previous life the job I did required a lot of experience & qualifications no margin for error what so ever.
I got paid well but the industry is a 365 24/7 so not suitable for everyone.

30-10-2014 07:15PM

ted1 wrote: »

It's an average over the year, not just 48 hours max

Try telling that to a junior doctor working in an Irish hospital:
Nearly all junior doctors work overtime - the average working week for a junior at the moment is around 54 hours. However, there are huge variations in both the level of overtime worked and the amount of overtime paid - some trainee doctors have to work around 70 to 100 hours per week.

Tar.Aldarion · 30-10-2014 07:21PM

All well and good saying 48 is max, realistically a lot of people do more. But I doubt you would get one paying for each of those hours. It would come part and parcel with the job. So 500 after tax doesn't seem easily attainable.

Galwayguy35 · 30-10-2014 07:27PM

I'm on €10.65 an hour, about as good as you will get for most jobs that you don't need a college degree for.

Although a good stonemason makes good money, you might not be working every week though.

donkey balls · 30-10-2014 07:32PM

I got paid for every hour worked sometimes I might go 10/15 mins over my finish time and would get double time for my troubles,I know of other people who work on a annualized hours that means they are contracted for x amount of hours per year.

30-10-2014 07:45PM

EIREAROEIRE wrote: »

sorry i mean 500 after tax min

If you want an employer to provide you €500 net per week you will be expected to have some sort of skill.

What can you offer?

30-10-2014 07:49PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm on €10.65 an hour, about as good as you will get for most jobs that you don't need a college degree for.

That is simply not true.

I earned over £20 per hour + expenses as an electrical foreman in 2000 (in ROI).

Tzardine · 30-10-2014 07:55PM

OP. You said in a previous post that you were a cleaner getting 600 a week. That's a pretty good rate for a cleaner. What happened to that?

To expect 500 after tax a week with no qualifications or particular skills is Not going to happen. Well not in the short term anyway.

That would assume a salary of 32,000 a year. I saw another thread and a qualified environemental officer with a 2.1 degree can count themselves lucky if they get a starting salary of 26,000.

Not trying to have a go but you need to rethink your expectations.

Tzardine · 30-10-2014 07:58PM

2011 wrote: »

That is simply not true.

I earned over £20 per hour + expenses as an electrical foreman in 2000 (in ROI).

That's 14 years ago though. A lot has happened since then

What's the rate for the same job today.

Yer Aul One · 30-10-2014 08:05PM

bilbot79 wrote: »

There are laws about how much break you should have but these days lunch is for wimps etc.

Is sleeping for wimps too?

Dr Turk Turkelton · 30-10-2014 08:08PM

Tzardine wrote: »

That's 14 years ago though. A lot has happened since then

What's the rate for the same job today.

An electricians rate is around the €23 per hour mark.
He gets travel time on top of that.
We can call it €950 roughly for a forty hour week.

I would assume the foreman would get more.

edit: an electrician is a qualified tradesman so would have completed a four year apprenticeship so is not unqualified.

Galwayguy35 · 30-10-2014 08:09PM

2011 wrote: »

That is simply not true.

I earned over £20 per hour + expenses as an electrical foreman in 2000 (in ROI).

Which is why I said most jobs, and I doubt anyone would be an electrical foreman these days without at least some time spent in a college.

30-10-2014 08:19PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Which is why I said most jobs, and I doubt anyone would be an electrical foreman these days without at least some time spent in a college.

My bad, I misread your post and did not see "most".

However, I know many people earring well over €15 per hour and they don't hold a college degree. This includes a mechanic, a tool room supervisor, a crèche manager, a horse riding instructor, a salesman and a plumber.

Just to clarify: Electrical foremen are generally qualified electricians that are not degree qualified. During an apprenticeship trainees spend some time in college.

LawlessBoy · 30-10-2014 08:27PM

Have a mate that recently started working in C&C. Hes working weekends and nights but coming out with 600 a week after tax. No qualifacations

Dr Turk Turkelton · 30-10-2014 08:33PM

2011 wrote: »

My bad, I misread your post and did not see "most".

However, I know many people earring well over €15 per hour and they don't hold a college degree. This includes a mechanic, a tool room supervisor, a crèche manager, a horse riding instructor, a salesman and a plumber.

Just to clarify: Electrical foremen are generally qualified electricians that are not degree qualified. During an apprenticeship trainees spend some time in college.

Out of your list a mechanic and a plumber would have done four year apprenticeships, a creche manager I'm sure would have a qualification in childcare though I'm not sure how long that would take but I would imagine at least two years?
I believe the question was without a qualification not without a degree.

30-10-2014 08:37PM

Tzardine wrote: »

That's 14 years ago though. A lot has happened since then

What's the rate for the same job today.

I work on large projects in the pharmaceutical and semiconductor sector. I deal with highly skilled and experienced people working in roles such as electrical foreman, electrical & instrumentation supervisor, electrical estimators . They would all earn well above the TEEU union rates of pay for qualified electricians. In addition many would be paid expenses (much of the expenses are tax free too). Normally these individuals would not have college degrees, if they did they would be working as electrical engineers.

Even in the depths of the recession suitably experienced and skilled electrical and instrumentation people were in demand in certain sectors.

30-10-2014 08:40PM

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Out of your list a mechanic and a plumber would have done four year apprenticeships

Absolutely, but this is very different to a degree.

I believe the question was without a qualification not without a degree.

No, the the question was:

what jobs are there in eire that pay well without having a college degree not afraid of hard work or woudlnt be squemish if u know what i mean will do anything once the pay is good any info welcome

Tzardine · 30-10-2014 08:40PM

2011 wrote: »

........I deal with highly skilled and experienced people....

I understand your point but the Op by the sounds of it is neither highly skilled or experienced. It appears that his current / last role is a cleaner.

Yet he wants to get paid more than the person you are talking about.

30-10-2014 08:44PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I understand your point but the Op by the sounds of it is neither highly skilled or experienced. It appears that his current / last role is a cleaner.

Yet he wants to get paid more than the person you are talking about.

I am just trying to make the point that it is possible to earn a descent wage without having a college degree.

There is no reason why a cleaner can't become an apprentice electrician.
Within a year this individual can expect to earn more than a cleaner.
I take the point that things are not as rose as they were, but things are improving.

whats newxt · 30-10-2014 08:45PM

Self employed electrician or plumber also self employed in IT

Gongoozler · 30-10-2014 08:58PM

My boyfriend is a painter, no qualifications, takes home probably an average of 600 or so a week. I'm guessing he can charge that because he's good. So while it is possible, unless you're actually good at it, I wouldn't expect to make that.

Ging Ging · 30-10-2014 09:08PM

If you don't mind staying up all night and sleeping during days when your off every second month then get a shift work job that pays a shift bonus. Typically 25 to 45% on top of wages.
As suggested above you could research how med device companies recruit. Getting your foot in the door may involve working for an agency initially until permanent positions become available. You won't get rich working for agency as a contractor but it may be a way into a company who pay their permanent staff a decent wage.

NoQuarter · 30-10-2014 09:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

It's illegal to work those hours week after week, are you self employed?

Stop would ya, I work in a law firm and I work that, illegal my backside.

amen · 30-10-2014 11:00PM

My boyfriend is a painter

most painters do a 4 year apprenticeship the same as any other trade.

decent wages

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