The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

robindch · 28-10-2014 10:52AM

Pope Frank says "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/pope-francis-evolution_n_6057378.html

Penn · 28-10-2014 03:29PM

robindch wrote: »

Pope Frank says "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/pope-francis-evolution_n_6057378.html

Here's my trouble with that:

If evolution is real, Adam & Eve never happened
If Adam & Eve never happened, Eve never ate the apple
If Eve never ate the apple, there was no Original Sin
If there was no Original Sin, God intentionally made us all sinners
If God intentionally made us all sinners, Jesus couldn't have died for our sins
If Jesus didn't die for our sins, Christianity is based on nothing.

Squeedily Spooch · 28-10-2014 03:39PM

Penn wrote: »

Here's my trouble with that:

If evolution is real, Adam & Eve never happened
If Adam & Eve never happened, Eve never ate the apple
If Eve never ate the apple, there was no Original Sin
If there was no Original Sin, God intentionally made us all sinners
If God intentionally made us all sinners, Jesus couldn't have died for our sins
If Jesus didn't die for our sins, Christianity is based on nothing.

And that's why Christianity makes no sense.

J C · 28-10-2014 07:27PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

INB4 J C pops up calling Catholics atheists.

FYI I didn't call Roman Catholics Atheists ... some of the best Creation Scientists in the World are Roman Catholic.:)

... and they can be found in these organisations to name but a few:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_creationist_organisations

J C · 28-10-2014 07:28PM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

And that's why Christianity makes no sense.

Christianity is eminently logical and sensible ... when the Apostle's Creed isn't just vocalized ... but accepted.

J C · 28-10-2014 07:39PM

wrote:

Pope Francis
(Emphasis mine)
“God is not a divine being or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life,” the pope said. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

I agree with most of what he said ... I would make the following few clarifications (in blue) if were talking about what he said:-

“God is not a divine being and isn't or a magician, but the Creator who brought everything to life,”
“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve (within their Kind using their pre-existing Created Genetic diversity).”:)

J C · 28-10-2014 07:53PM

Penn wrote: »

Here's my trouble with that:

If evolution is real, Adam & Eve never happened
If Adam & Eve never happened, Eve never ate the apple
If Eve never ate the apple, there was no Original Sin
If there was no Original Sin, God intentionally made us all sinners
If God intentionally made us all sinners, Jesus couldn't have died for our sins
If Jesus didn't die for our sins, Christianity is based on nothing.

Good point Penn.

and here's your trouble with that solved:

M2M Evolution isn't real, Adam & Eve happened
Adam & Eve happened ... and Eve ate from the fruit of the (Occult) Tree (System) of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Eve ate of this occult Knowledge, and this was the Original Sin
As there was Original Sin, God didn't intentionally make us all sinners ... Adam and Eve did that.
As God didn't intentionally make us all sinners, Jesus died in perfect atonement for our sins
As Jesus died for our sins, Christianity is soundly based on Him and His Merciful and Loving Self.:)

Pherekydes · 28-10-2014 07:56PM

It's out in the open now, JC. You're a heretic. And anyday now you can expect a knock on the door from the inquisition.

You can be a real martyr then...:pac:

housetypeb · 28-10-2014 08:02PM

[QUOTE=J C;92799445

M2M Evolution isn't real, Adam & Eve happened
Adam & Eve happened ... and Eve ate from the fruit of the (Occult) Tree (System) of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Eve ate of this occult Knowledge, and this was the Original Sin
As there was Original Sin, God didn't intentionally make us all sinners ... Adam and Eve did that.
As God didn't intentionally make us all sinners, Jesus died in perfect atonement for our sins
As Jesus died for our sins, Christianity is soundly based on Him and His Merciful and Loving Self.:)[/QUOTE]

Ha Ha Ha Ha, That's a funny one,
Carry on.

J C · 28-10-2014 08:10PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

It's out in the open now, JC. You're a heretic. And anyday now you can expect a knock on the door from the inquisition.

You can be a real martyr then...:pac:

I didn't think that Evolutionists had established an Inquisition for Heretics ... who say that Mankind aren't Apes???:eek:

Pherekydes · 28-10-2014 08:38PM

J C wrote: »

I didn't think that Evolutionists had established an Inquisition for Heretics ... who say that Mankind aren't Apes???:eek:

Good try, JC.

The inquisition by the church! You are considered a heretic by the church, which believes in evolution.

Bye bye now.

J C · 28-10-2014 08:46PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Good try, JC.

The inquisition by the church! You are considered a heretic by the church, which believes in evolution.

Bye bye now.

The Roman Catholic Church seems to be very circumspect in what they are saying about Evolution ...
Quote:-
“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve" ... presumably within their Kind using their pre-existing Created Genetic diversity.

Sounds like the Pope is a Creationist ... with a bit of Natural Selection Evolution and a load of ID thrown in ... He must have been reading my writings on the Boards.ie !!!:):pac:

I told you guys that any Church whose Creeds begins with the words 'I believe in God the Father Creator of Heaven and Earth and all things visible and invisible' ... is a Creationist Church.

Squeedily Spooch · 28-10-2014 10:14PM

J C wrote: »

Good point Penn.

and here's your trouble with that solved:

M2M Evolution isn't real, Adam & Eve happened
Adam & Eve happened ... and Eve ate from the fruit of the (Occult) Tree (System) of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Eve ate of this occult Knowledge, and this was the Original Sin
As there was Original Sin, God didn't intentionally make us all sinners ... Adam and Eve did that.
As God didn't intentionally make us all sinners, Jesus died in perfect atonement for our sins
As Jesus died for our sins, Christianity is soundly based on Him and His Merciful and Loving Self.:)

Why would God have made an evil tree in the garden of Eden if he didn't want anyone to eat from it? if he gave humans free will and was omnipotent then he knew they'd eat from it since he knows everything. He basically rendered mankind as sinners before we were even given a chance. I had a relative who was the most devoted Christian you'd ever meet and she didn't even believe in Adam and Eve. That whole "evidence" thing cropping up again.

Gordon · 28-10-2014 10:15PM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

Why would God

Because god.

Squeedily Spooch · 28-10-2014 10:23PM

Gordon wrote: »

Because god.

JC's base argument, it's essentially the same as when your mother would say "cos that's the why" when you asked why you had to do something.

lazygal · 28-10-2014 10:26PM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

JC's base argument, it's essentially the same as when your mother would say "cos that's the why" when you asked why you had to do something.

At least your mother was real and there in front of you.

Sierra 117 · 28-10-2014 10:44PM

And the wooden spoon was a real tangible threat, unlike burning in hellfire for eternity.

Frank Bullitt · 28-10-2014 11:11PM

J C wrote: »

Good point Penn.

and here's your trouble with that solved:

M2M Evolution isn't real, Adam & Eve happened
Adam & Eve happened ... and Eve ate from the fruit of the (Occult) Tree (System) of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Eve ate of this occult Knowledge, and this was the Original Sin
As there was Original Sin, God didn't intentionally make us all sinners ... Adam and Eve did that.
As God didn't intentionally make us all sinners, Jesus died in perfect atonement for our sins
As Jesus died for our sins, Christianity is soundly based on Him and His Merciful and Loving Self.:)

Exactly how hard did you hit your head?

J C · 29-10-2014 01:17AM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

JC's base argument, it's essentially the same as when your mother would say "cos that's the why" when you asked why you had to do something.

One of the reasons that a friend became an Evolutionist when he was a 7-year old, was because his mother told him that he grew (spontaneously) under a Cabbage Plant.
... he is still an Evolutionist ... and still believes in the spontaneity of his 'origins' ... mother's can have a great impact allright!!!;)

He is a great guy ... who can take a joke ... and he can be equally impactful in his retorts.

J C · 29-10-2014 01:21AM

Squeedily Spooch wrote: »

Why would God have made an evil tree in the garden of Eden if he didn't want anyone to eat from it? if he gave humans free will and was omnipotent then he knew they'd eat from it since he knows everything. He basically rendered mankind as sinners before we were even given a chance. I had a relative who was the most devoted Christian you'd ever meet and she didn't even believe in Adam and Eve. That whole "evidence" thing cropping up again.

God didn't make the occult tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil ... that would be Satan's doing.
God gave Adam and Eve free-will ... but warned them not to join Satan and his occult system ... and they abused their free will ... and the rest is History.

J C · 29-10-2014 01:23AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Exactly how hard did you hit your head?

I didn't hit my head ... but I did 'hit the nail on the head' allright ... with my intellectual 'hammer'.:)

IT-Guy · 29-10-2014 04:54AM

J C wrote: »

I didn't hit my head ... but I did 'hit the nail on the head' allright ... with my intellectual 'hammer'.:)

And gave yourself an intellectual concussion judging by the nonsensical ramblings of your last few posts. I'd like to ask 'proof please?' to the quoted post below but I think all I'll get is beliefs, anecdotes and more mental gymnastics, none of which count for data. My comments in red

J C wrote: »

Good point Penn.

and here's your trouble with that solved:

M2M Evolution isn't real, Adam & Eve happened eh, yes it is and no it didn't, na na na na
Adam & Eve happened ... and Eve ate from the fruit of the (Occult) Tree (System) of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. WTF? Any proof or supporting evidence for this quite extraordinary claim?
Eve ate of this occult Knowledge, and this was the Original Sin Again WTF? and again any proof or supporting evidence for this quite extraordinary claim?
As there was Original Sin, God didn't intentionally make us all sinners ... Adam and Eve did that. (deep breath and a BIG if) if he was their creator then he knowingly created them with the capacity to sin ergo he created them as sinners
As God didn't intentionally make us all sinners, Jesus died in perfect atonement for our sins As above, by your beliefs god did create Adam and Eve and by extension, the rest of us as sinners ergo JC died for nothing
As Jesus died for our sins, Christianity is soundly based on Him and His Merciful and Loving Self. flawed logic leads to a flawed conclusion

Frank Bullitt · 29-10-2014 06:20AM

J C wrote: »

I didn't hit my head ... but I did 'hit the nail on the head' allright ... with my intellectual 'hammer'.:)

Are you 10 years old? What a monumentally immature response.

Absolam · 29-10-2014 07:12AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Are you 10 years old? What a monumentally immature response.

Whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

Gordon · 29-10-2014 08:46AM

J C wrote: »

God didn't make the occult tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil ... that would be Satan's doing.
God gave Adam and Eve free-will ... but warned them not to join Satan and his occult system ... and they abused their free will ... and the rest is History.

Which of the many different versions of the christian bible do you take your version of history from? The KJV states that the tree was made by him:

"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

And it only mentions a serpent, not the devil that told Adam and Eve to eat the fruit. Maybe that's because the christian god had only just created everything, and therefore the christian devil hadn't had enough time to have his big battle and become ousted and fallen and with a chip on his shoulder.

Maybe you can provide links to show your version of the christian history?

Delirium · 29-10-2014 09:36AM

J C wrote: »

One of the reasons that a friend became an Evolutionist when he was a 7-year old, was because his mother told him that he grew (spontaneously) under a Cabbage Plant.
... he is still an Evolutionist ... and still believes in the spontaneity of his 'origins' ... mother's can have a great impact allright!!!;)

He is a great guy ... who can take a joke ... and he can be equally impactful in his retorts.

No wonder you struggle with science. That definitely isn't evolution.

PopePalpatine · 29-10-2014 12:04PM

J C wrote: »

One of the reasons that a friend became an Evolutionist when he was a 7-year old, was because his mother told him that he grew (spontaneously) under a Cabbage Plant.
... he is still an Evolutionist ... and still believes in the spontaneity of his 'origins' ... mother's can have a great impact allright!!!;)

He is a great guy ... who can take a joke ... and he can be equally impactful in his retorts.

That is just bullshit. You're just trolling now.

housetypeb · 29-10-2014 12:10PM

Notice how his posts became more desperate as the night went on,all he wants is some one to respond to his idiotic posts.

Frank Bullitt · 29-10-2014 05:45PM

I think we can all just realize something going forward.

No matter what JC states or claims, he has no evidence, has no science degree and have no bearing on anything of importance.

That should help us calm a little bit.

J C · 29-10-2014 09:20PM

Gintonious wrote: »

I think we can all just realize something going forward.

No matter what JC states or claims, he has no evidence, has no science degree and have no bearing on anything of importance.

That should help us calm a little bit.

It might if it were true ... but it's not.:)

The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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