Ebola virus outbreak

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:04PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

FFS lads, he said the mortality rate in the west would be less than 50% and gave the reasons why. And then was asked to back it up with a link? To what - the other numerous outbreaks of Ebola in the west?? Then when he surmises the known outbreaks in the west with their outcomes (admittedly statistically insignificant, but the only information available on outcomes in the west) he is ridiculed? What do you people want? The stats are just not there. Go google intensive care outcomes for other viral diseases versus no care at all and see what pops up in your browser.

Edit: And to add to that, why do you think Western countries are so eager to repatriate their sick citizens if the outcome at home is no better????

Well i for one would like to hear this good news from some reputable sources as opposed to from some lad on the internet who has entrenched himself into a particular stance on a subject.

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:04PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Hype clowns rather than doom clowns. Same thing. Although i expect you to tell me that both are completely different in your own special way

Doom and Hype are different, yes.

youtube! · 13-10-2014 01:05PM

I made a thread about the ship from Freetown that docked in Dublin on thurs.

This has me worried I would like to know if anyone is responsible for giving clearance to those sailors to roam free in Dublin , they left Freetown only ONE WEEK before they reached Dublin yet it takes 3 weeks to show Symptoms !

We could well have our first case and more in Ireland thanks to the idiots who think they can clear an Ebola carrier with a thermometer !

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2014 01:07PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Well i for one would like to hear this good news from some reputable sources as opposed to from some lad on the internet who has entrenched himself into a particular stance on a subject.

Well, you have an internet connection so knock yourself out.

Do you really think we would be repatriating sick people to Western hospital at huge expense and risk of spreading the virus to the west unless there was an ickle lickle tiency weeny chance that they might do better?

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:07PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

Doom and Hype are different, yes.

Not in the context you used them. Anyways, your steadfast beliefs are, simply, your beliefs. Good to know.

And dont assume that having a different opinion to you means people will put you on ignore. This thread is about info being shared, not doom being forecast.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:08PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Well, you have an internet connection so knock yourself out.

Do you really think we would be repatriating sick people to Western hospital at huge expense and risk of spreading the virus to the west unless there was an ickle lickle tiency weeny chance that they might do better?

That wouldnt be my take on why people are being repatriated at all.

littlemac1980 · 13-10-2014 01:08PM

youtube! wrote: »

I made a thread about the ship from Freetown that docked in Dublin on thurs.

This has me worried I would like to know if anyone is responsible for giving clearance to those sailors to roam free in Dublin , they left Freetown only ONE WEEK before they reached Dublin yet it takes 3 weeks to show Symptoms !

We could well have our first case and more in Ireland thanks to the idiots who think they can clear an Ebola carrier with a thermometer !

According to News reports there was no thermometer involved - that was likely deemed too scientific. Instead a simple assurance by the captain that the crew were all healthy is all that was required in that case:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ship-in-dublin-gives-declaration-of-health-after-sierra-leone-docking-1.1958310

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:10PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Not in the context you used them. Anyways, your steadfast beliefs are, simply, your beliefs. Good to know.

I am atheist.

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:11PM

youtube! wrote: »

I made a thread about the ship from Freetown that docked in Dublin on thurs.

This has me worried I would like to know if anyone is responsible for giving clearance to those sailors to roam free in Dublin , they left Freetown only ONE WEEK before they reached Dublin yet it takes 3 weeks to show Symptoms !

We could well have our first case and more in Ireland thanks to the idiots who think they can clear an Ebola carrier with a thermometer !

Youtube this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5F8BzgbgjM

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2014 01:13PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

That wouldnt be my take on why people are being repatriated at all.

So you think that there is no medical logic to repatriate them on the grounds that their outcomes will be improved? (taking the political posturing out of it)

How about treating patients with sever viral illness and multi organ failure in ICU, is that a waste of time too?, Should they just be sent home, not admitted to hospitals in the first place?

Akrasia · 13-10-2014 01:13PM

JapaneseLove wrote: »

There is no treatment for ebola. Thats like saying "oh u had ur legs blown off. well i hav a cream for that".

There is treatment. Survival rates are much higher if the proper treatment is given as soon as symptoms start.

The human immune system can often fight off the virus, but the problem is that the virus tends to do so much damage that the patient dies before the body can fight back. If the symptoms can be managed the body has more time to fight the infection.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:14PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

I am atheist.

Very childish. No points left then obviously. I'll leave you be

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:15PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

That wouldnt be my take on why people are being repatriated at all.

What is your take so?

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:15PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

So you think that there is no medical logic to repatriate them on the grounds that their outcomes will be improved? (taking the political posturing out of it)

How about treating patients with sever viral illness and multi organ failure in ICU, is that a waste of time too?, Should they just be sent home, not admitted to hospitals in the first place?

Why you putting words in my mouth? The bold bit made me laugh.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:17PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Do you really think we would be repatriating sick people to Western hospital at huge expense and risk of spreading the virus to the west unless there was an ickle lickle tiency weeny chance that they might do better?

The clue is in the word: repatriation.

I dont see planes of liberians being flown over to avail of the better treatment.

Akrasia · 13-10-2014 01:18PM

Just in case anyone doesn't have google installed on their computer

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/treatment/

No FDA-approved vaccine or medicine (e.g., antiviral drug) is available for Ebola.

Symptoms of Ebola are treated as they appear. The following basic interventions, when used early, can significantly improve the chances of survival:

Providing intravenous fluids (IV)and balancing electrolytes (body salts)
Maintaining oxygen status and blood pressure
Treating other infections if they occur

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2014 01:18PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Why you putting words in my mouth? The bold bit made me laugh.

Why you not answer my question? I'm not putting words in your mouth. It was a simple question, identified by the 'question word' at the beginning, and the question mark at the end.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:20PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Why you not answer my question? I'm not putting words in your mouth. It was a simple question, identified by the 'question word' at the beginning, and the question mark at the end.

More condescension. I think Spring Onion may have a second account here. Would explain a lot.

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2014 01:20PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

The clue is in the word: repatriation.

I dont see planes of liberians being flown over to avail of the better treatment.

So you agree then?

(I'm guessing the Liberians probably don't have insurance.)

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:22PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

More condescension. I think Spring Onion may have a second account here. Would explain a lot.

Please, call me Scallion. I think Wormy is suggesting that people want to die in agony at home rather than in West Africa. He does not admit that chances of survival are better outside Africa whatsoever, which is unfortunate for him.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:22PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

So you agree then?

(I'm guessing the Liberians probably don't have insurance.)

Do i agree with what?

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:24PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

Please, call me Scallion. I think Wormy is suggesting that people want to die in agony at home rather than in West Africa. He does not admit that chances of survival are better outside Africa whatsoever, which is unfortunate for him.

That is not what i'm suggesting. And i never said that chances of survival werent better. You deliberately not following or should i slow the pace for you?

A scallion and a spring onion are two different things. One has a bigger bulb than the other. I'm guessing you're of the smaller bulbed variety.

ProfessorPlum · 13-10-2014 01:26PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Do i agree with what?

You seem to have difficulty following your own argument. I'm not going to help you out.

TheBeardedLady · 13-10-2014 01:28PM

I'm just happy I'm not dead yet. Hopefully I can make it to payday.

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:28PM

I am going to persevere with this one. Apologies I do not know how to multiquote very well.

Plum said;

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Do you really think we would be repatriating sick people to Western hospital at huge expense and risk of spreading the virus to the west unless there was an ickle lickle tiency weeny chance that they might do better?

Peist replied;

Peist2007 wrote: »

That wouldnt be my take on why people are being repatriated at all.

Explain your take so.

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:29PM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

You seem to have difficulty following your own argument. I'm not going to help you out.

You suggested that repatriation was being carried out due to better facilities. I'm saying that is not the case. If a British doctor catches ebola in Liberia he/she will be transferred to Britain because they are British and the British Government will be expected by the British people to look after their own. Repatriation = being sent back to your home country. The fact that the facilities are better in Britain than Liberia is of course true, but not the primary driving factor in effecting repatriation. Quite simple really.

youtube! · 13-10-2014 01:30PM

littlemac1980 wrote: »

According to News reports there was no thermometer involved - that was likely deemed too scientific. Instead a simple assurance by the captain that the crew were all healthy is all that was required in that case:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ship-in-dublin-gives-declaration-of-health-after-sierra-leone-docking-1.1958310

****ing astounded!

youtube! · 13-10-2014 01:31PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

Youtube this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5F8BzgbgjM

I wouldn't be taking the piss, this is not some kind of joke now really is it?

Peist2007 · 13-10-2014 01:32PM

Spring Onion wrote: »

I am going to persevere with this one. Apologies I do not know how to multiquote very well.

Plum said;

Peist replied;

Explain your take so.

I have. And notice how it i called it "my take" rather than pretending that David Cameron said it and it was now widely accepted everywhere

Spring Onion · 13-10-2014 01:32PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

You suggested that repatriation was being carried out due to better facilities. I'm saying that is not the case. If a British doctor catches ebola in Liberia he/she will be transferred to Britain because they are British and the British Government will be expected by the British people to look after their own. Repatriation = being sent back to your home country. The fact that the facilities are better in Britain than Liberia is of course true, but not the primary driving factor in effecting repatriation. Quite simple really.

that feels better now, doesn't it.

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