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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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  • #4232
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    J C wrote: »
    No, I'm claiming that a VPN proves that a virtual realm exists (that we cannot directly see or touch) ... and, just like God, is none the less real, as a result.

    A VPN exists just as much as the Facebook app on your phone does. Neither of which prove anything about an alternate universe, faeries or god.


  • #4233
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robinph wrote: »
    A VPN exists just as much as the Facebook app on your phone does. Neither of which prove anything about an alternate universe, faeries or god.
    It proves that we cannot see or touch everything that exists ... and one of the best (scientific) proofs for the existence of God is the CFSI found in life.


  • #4234
    tommy2bad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    J C wrote: »
    It proves that we cannot see or touch everything that exists ... and one of the best (scientific) proofs for the existence of God is the CFSI found in life.

    Community and Family Services International? Children's Film Society, India? Colonial Freight Systems, Incorporated? Completely Farcical sh1t I made up?
    Help me out here, I have no idea what this cfsi in life is?


  • #4235
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,897 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    J C wrote: »
    Serious authority figures warn children about all kinds of potential threats like dangers on roads, dangers from perverts and dangers from bullying, for example ... and in so doing they give children strategies and systems to protect them from such dangers ... and report them, if they arise.

    There are no mental health issues as a result of such warnings ... and none that could possibly arise from describing our loving and merciful God to children either.

    The one who lets innocent 5 year old kids die from cancer?

    :rolleyes:


  • #4236
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    tommy2bad wrote: »
    Help me out here, I have no idea what this cfsi in life is?
    Complex Functional Specified Information ... which is the hallmark of intelligent action.:)


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  • #4237
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The one who lets innocent 5 year old kids die from cancer?

    :rolleyes:
    Yes, death is a terrible evil ... and it will be done away with upon the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the World.

    1 Corinthians 15:20-26 New International Version (NIV)

    20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.


  • #4238
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    J C wrote: »
    Yes, death is a terrible evil ... and it will be done away with upon the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the World.
    Before the christ 2.0 guy murders everyone that's not his mate.
    For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.


  • #4239
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,897 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Gordon wrote: »
    Before the christ 2.0 guy murders everyone that's not his mate.

    And that will be the 2nd time he has murdered most of the earths population out of spite. Tell us again how he is loving and forgiving there JC :rolleyes:


  • #4240
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    J C wrote: »
    It proves that we cannot see or touch everything that exists ....

    A vpn proves nothing of the sort.

    There are plenty of things that I can't see or touch, but none of them do anything to prove the existence of a god, and certainly not a computer program.


  • #4241
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And that will be the 2nd time he has murdered most of the earths population out of spite. Tell us again how he is loving and forgiving there JC :rolleyes:
    They are both in extremis situations where evil has prevailed to the point where everyone's thoughts and actions are continuously evil.
    What do you think a just and merciful God should do in a situation of total and unending evil?


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  • #4242
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    J C wrote: »
    They are both in extremis situations where evil has prevailed to the point where everyone's thoughts and actions are continuously evil.
    What do you think a just and merciful God should do in a situation of total and unending evil?

    Drown all the people he loves and all the animals he loves at the same time?

    Drowning is not supposed to be a pleasant way to die, especially if the person is only 2 or 3 years old and doesn't understand what is happening to them as they struggle to breath.

    You can make up as many excuses as you like JC, but drowning thousands or millions of people intentionally, including young kids, is an evil thing to do.

    Read the story of Abraham and Isaac, where God supposedly told Abraham to kill Isaac. HORRIFIC!
    I suspect Isaac would have suffered with severe mental issues after that encounter with his loopy Da and his friend GOD!


  • #4243
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Safehands wrote: »
    Drown all the people he loves and all the animals he loves at the same time?

    Drowning is not supposed to be a pleasant way to die, especially if the person is only 2 or 3 years old and doesn't understand what is happening to them as they struggle to breath.

    You can make up as many excuses as you like JC, but drowning thousands or millions of people intentionally, including young kids, is an evil thing to do.
    We have been over this before ... there is no reason to believe there were any children present when the Flood happened ... irredeemably evil people would find childhood innocence an affront to their selfish lifestyles and they would have probably either never had any children or killed any children through infanticide.
    The fact that Noah's sons were 100 years old and didn't have any children until after the Flood supports this hypothesis.
    Safehands wrote: »
    Read the story of Abraham and Isaac, where God supposedly told Abraham to kill Isaac. HORRIFIC!
    I suspect Isaac would have suffered with severe mental issues after that encounter with his loopy Da and his friend GOD!
    The story of Isaac happened at a time when child sacrifice to Moloch was widespread.
    God showed that child sacrifice wasn't acceptable in a very public way (there were two witnesses brought along by Abraham) ... and an angel 'stayed' Abraham's hand.


  • #4244
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    J C wrote: »
    We have been over this before ... there is no reason to believe there were any children present when the Flood happened ...
    There is plenty of reason to believe there would have been children, have you had a blow to the head?
    J C wrote: »
    irredeemably evil people would find childhood innocence an affront to their selfish lifestyles and they would have probably either never had any children or killed any children through infanticide.
    I would guess that if they were irredeemably evil there was quite a bit of raping going on. I would further suggest that the rapists would not have been particularly careful about contraception. This would lead me to believe that there were likely plenty of women made pregnant through rape. Now, lets assume that once a woman knew she was pregnant, remembering she would have been unrelentingly evil, she would have taken step to somehow abort that pregnancy. Even were this the case this would still leave us with women that were pregnant but had not yet organised the murder of her unborn baby and those that were not yet aware they were pregnant. So, to me it seems quite likely that there were unborn babies very likely to have been murdered by your god.

    J C wrote: »
    The fact that Noah's sons were 100 years old and didn't have any children until after the Flood supports this hypothesis.
    No it doesn't. You have just made this up because you need to try to come up with some kind of excuse for your baby murdering god.

    I can make stuff up too. I would guess that because of the unrelenting evil of the world and the popularity of child sacrifice, there may very well have been camps set up where women were systematically raped, then restrained though there pregnancy and the resultant babies kept to be used for sacrifice. This is likely the case the because the unrelenting evil and popularity of child sacrifice support this hypothesis. I mean what unrelentingly evil and child sacrificing people would not organise such a facility.

    So, unless you are going to argue that unborn babies are evil, which you can't really because you are repeatedly on record telling us they are innocent, or that poor innocent babies, which are the result of rape and have been born simply to be sacrificed to a false god, are evil, then it seems apparent that your god murdered thousands of innocent babies.

    MrP


  • #4245
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Mod: Can I remind everyone that there is a charter that applies to all, both JC and those who enjoy arguing with JC. Report any posts that contravene the charter, please.


  • #4246
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    J C wrote: »
    Yes, death is a terrible evil ... and it will be done away with upon the second coming of Jesus Christ at the end of the World.

    1 Corinthians 15:20-26 New International Version (NIV)

    20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.


    So who exactly will god save ?
    Will Other religions be saved too or do they believe in a different God?
    Why does it describe him as having enemies ? That's not very loving , is it ?


  • #4247
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    J C wrote: »
    We have been over this before ... there is no reason to believe there were any children present when the Flood happened ... irredeemably evil people would find childhood innocence an affront to their selfish lifestyles and they would have probably either never had any children or killed any children through infanticide.

    Yes my friend, we have been over this before. Nothing has changed. You suggest that there were no children around, which means that mankind would have died out anyway, so why kill all the lovely animals then?
    You really clutch at straws, when confronted with rational questions which expose some serious flaws in your thinking. There is no basis to think that mankind lived in a childless world.

    J C wrote: »
    The story of Isaac happened at a time when child sacrifice to Moloch was widespread.
    God showed that child sacrifice wasn't acceptable in a very public way (there were two witnesses brought along by Abraham) ... and an angel 'stayed' Abraham's hand.

    JC, according to the story, God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son. Moloch had nothing to do with this request. "The Angel" stopped him, saying that he had proved his love. It was a test.

    If the story of Abraham taking his unfortunate son to kill him, is true, and if he said that God had commanded him to do it, is it not very probable that Abraham was actually suffering from some some form of medical illness, such as Schizophrenia, which was an unknown psychotic disorder at that time? I think that this explanation is far more likely than a loving God actually telling him to carry out such a barbaric act.


  • #4248
    tommy2bad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    Safehands wrote: »
    If the story of Abraham taking his unfortunate son to kill him, is true, and if he said that God had commanded him to do it, is it not very probable that Abraham was actually suffering from some some form of medical illness, such as Schizophrenia, which was an unknown psychotic disorder at that time? I think that this explanation is far more likely than a loving God actually telling him to carry out such a barbaric act.

    I doubt it's true, this is a story to explain the change from human sacrifice to animal sacrifice, nothing more.
    It shows the Hebrews coming to the realization that God doesn't want human sacrifice which leads to the idea of a perfect sacrifice which in turn informs the passion.
    Possibly what happened is poor Abe got selected to make the sacrifice and as he went through the motions of preparing copped on to how barbaric this was. He explained his noncompliance by the angel story and everyone accepted it because they also saw no good coming from human sacrifice.
    People learning or God directing? You pays your money and makes your choice.


  • #4249
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Safehands wrote: »
    Yes my friend, we have been over this before. Nothing has changed. You suggest that there were no children around, which means that mankind would have died out anyway, so why kill all the lovely animals then?
    You really clutch at straws, when confronted with rational questions which expose some serious flaws in your thinking. There is no basis to think that mankind lived in a childless world.
    The reason for the Flood is bound up with the cross-breeding of the Nephelim with Human women. It likely that the resulting offspring were sterile.
    God wanted Humanity to continue so that Jesus Christ could be born ... and it would appear that Noah and his two sons and their wives were the last Humans not corrupted by the Nephelim.
    Equally we are told that "the Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
    This was a time unique in the history of the Earth for the scale and intensity of evil that existed.
    The fact that Noah's sons were 100 years old and didn't have any children until after the Flood supports this hypothesis.... so there is every reason to believe that there were no children on Earth at the time.
    Safehands wrote: »
    JC, according to the story, God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son. Moloch had nothing to do with this request. "The Angel" stopped him, saying that he had proved his love. It was a test.

    If the story of Abraham taking his unfortunate son to kill him, is true, and if he said that God had commanded him to do it, is it not very probable that Abraham was actually suffering from some some form of medical illness, such as Schizophrenia, which was an unknown psychotic disorder at that time? I think that this explanation is far more likely than a loving God actually telling him to carry out such a barbaric act.
    Its an unusual story allright. Human Sacrifice was never demanded by God before or after this incident ... and the net result was an animal sacrifice.


  • #4250
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    So who exactly will god save ?
    Everybody who repents and asks to be saved.

    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Will Other religions be saved too or do they believe in a different God?
    God is both a just and a merciful God not willing that anybody should be lost ... so, in justice, people who have never got the opportunity to be Saved, will logically be given the option, at the moment of death.
    ... and nobody, no matter what sins they have committed, are beyond Salvation
    ... and nobody, no matter how 'good' they think they are, can Save themselves.
    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    Why does it describe him as having enemies ? That's not very loving , is it ?
    God has enemies who are implacably opposed to Him.
    He loves them ... but He will visit His justice on them if they choose to not avail of His mercy.
    ... and death cannot be ended until all evil is removed and bound by God - and that is why death is the last enemy to be destroyed by God.


  • #4251
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    J C wrote: »
    ... and nobody, no matter what sins they have committed, are beyond Salvation.

    So why did he murder every person and animal then?

    Were there only 2 good elephants on the planet? How exactly were the various insects being so evil that they couldn't be saved? If there were only 2 hamsters that were not evil, so they get a ride on the boat, how come all of the birds are clearly nice and not evil so they get to survive by flying? What then makes all but 2 ostriches evil if all other birds that can fly are good?


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  • #4252
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    J C wrote: »
    The reason for the Flood is bound up with the cross-breeding of the Nephelim with Human women. It likely that the resulting offspring were sterile.
    God wanted Humanity to continue so that Jesus Christ could be born ... and it would appear that Noah and his two sons and their wives were the last Humans not corrupted by the Nephelim.
    Equally we are told that "the Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.
    This was a time unique in the history of the Earth for the scale and intensity of evil that existed.
    The fact that Noah's sons were 100 years old and didn't have any children until after the Flood supports this hypothesis.... so there is every reason to believe that there were no children on Earth at the time.
    Fantastic JC! I can always depend on you to come up with an explanation, no matter how far fetched it may seem. Well done! Where do you get them from?


  • #4253
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Safehands wrote: »
    Fantastic JC! I can always depend on you to come up with an explanation, no matter how far fetched it may seem. Well done! Where do you get them from?
    From the Holy Spirit ... and there is nothing 'far fetched' about them.:)


  • #4254
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robinph wrote: »
    So why did he murder every person and animal then?

    Were there only 2 good elephants on the planet? How exactly were the various insects being so evil that they couldn't be saved? If there were only 2 hamsters that were not evil, so they get a ride on the boat, how come all of the birds are clearly nice and not evil so they get to survive by flying? What then makes all but 2 ostriches evil if all other birds that can fly are good?
    This was collateral damage.
    Murder doesn't apply to the killing of animals and it doesn't apply to the taking of Human life by God ... He gave Humans life ... and He can take it away.


  • #4255
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    J C wrote: »
    This was collateral damage.
    Murder doesn't apply to the killing of animals and it doesn't apply to the taking of Human life by God ... He gave Humans life ... and He can take it away.
    <Snip: Please re-read charter before posting here. >


  • #4256
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    robinph wrote: »
    So you have finally admitted that the god of your bible is an evil bastard who kills people and animals just for the fun of it.

    No, it is the God of JC's fertile imagination. It just goes to show what he means by an "all loving God". It is a nonsense!


  • #4257
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Safehands wrote: »
    No, it is the God of JC's fertile imagination. It just goes to show what he means by an "all loving God". It is a nonsense!
    He is both an all loving and merciful God and an all just God.
    ... and it is up to each person whether they decide to receive His love/mercy ... or His justice


  • #4258
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    In the argument over the sacrifice of isaac an important point is being over looked.
    The old testament uses a lot of typology.
    Isaac was the son of promise , a type of Christ.
    His sacrifice was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus.
    It was a lamb that was sacrificed twice.


  • #4259
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    J C wrote: »
    it is up to each person whether they decide to receive His love/mercy ... or His justice

    That sounds like a statement made by a mafia Don JC. You have a very, very strange view of love.

    I can imagine a teenage daughter talking to a father like your God: "Dad I'm wearing this dress and you can't stop me". Father replies "Accept my way or accept my justice, and you know what happened to your older sister for defying me!" "Yes Dad, you drowned her" "That's right dear, she was bad, I loved her, so I killed her. Behave yourself or the same thing will happen to you."


  • #4260
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    Astrid Quick Case wrote: »
    In the argument over the sacrifice of isaac an important point is being over looked.
    The old testament uses a lot of typology.
    Isaac was the son of promise , a type of Christ.
    His sacrifice was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Jesus.
    It was a lamb that was sacrificed twice.

    So it is not to be taken as a literal event?


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  • #4261
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,694 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Safehands wrote: »
    So it is not to be taken as a literal event?
    It means it doesn't matter whether it's a literal event, or not a literal event, or a literal event only in part. The question may be interesting, but ultimately it's not important.


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