Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

LostBoy101 · 12-10-2014 12:08PM

This is just newspaper garbage, Mata isn't leaving.

Lord TSC · 12-10-2014 12:12PM

I do hope you're right.

But I'm coming to terms with it now so I'm prepared or presently surprised. I think that short of an inury to Falcao and RVP, Rooney is going to be playing #10 for the majority of games, and Mata is going to be relegated to the bench. The reality is that he moved away from Chelsea under similar circumstances (manager wouldn't give him games) and think that he's not going to be happy warming the bench for the rest of the season...

K4t · 12-10-2014 12:13PM

I like Mata too (who doesn't?) but would it really be a huge loss to the team/squad that LVG is building here? With Falcao/RVP our striker options and Wilson waiting in the wings it looks as if Rooney is going to be our permanent no.10. We also have Di Maria and Herrara playing a more central role in midfield and Januzaj also hovering about who is destined to become a no.10 too, and let's be honest looks like he will become a better player than Mata.

The situation is a kind of similar to the Welbeck debacle imo. An excellent player but perhaps hasn't delivered as much as was expected and has better options ahead of him (Rooney in Mata's case) and an excellent young player coming through who is happy to sit on the bench for a while (Januzaj). The difference being of course that Welbeck is still young and has potential and was played out of position constantly.

LostBoy101 · 12-10-2014 12:15PM

Aye and the fact that Rooney is Captain and in Mata's position makes it difficult to push him out of the team. To get Mata games then it has got to be Rooney & Falcoa/RVP up top with Mata in behind but LVG seems to play RVP more.

Lord TSC · 12-10-2014 12:20PM

K4t wrote: »

The situation is a kind of similar to the Welbeck debacle imo. An excellent player but perhaps hasn't delivered as much as was expected and has better options ahead of him (Rooney in Mata's case) and an excellent young player coming through who is happy to sit on the bench for a while (Januzaj). The difference being of course that Welbeck is still young and has potential and was played out of position constantly.

This, I guess, is the problem. I'd personally think Mata is the better #10 out of the two....

Larry Wildman · 12-10-2014 12:20PM

The solution is simple - Get rid of Van Persie.

Too much talk about Rooney, Mata, etc.

Van Persie's the one who's been sh1te for a long time.

Rooney and Falcao up front with Mata supplying the ammo. Perfect.

LostBoy101 · 12-10-2014 12:24PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

The solution is simple - Get rid of Van Persie.

Too much talk about Rooney, Mata, etc.

Van Persie's the one who's been sh1te for a long time.

Rooney and Falcao up front with Mata supplying the ammo. Perfect.

This will be difficult to do as RVP is Dutch. I agree he hasn't found his form but getting rid of him would be mad in my opinion as when he finds his form he is undroppable. He is 31 now so I doubt he'll be playing every game.

K4t · 12-10-2014 12:27PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

This, I guess, is the problem. I'd personally think Mata is the better #10 out of the two....

You may be right but Rooney is Van Gaal's boy, in the same way Oscar was Mourinho's. Mata is a more natural no.10 than Rooney but Rooney is a better player and more important to this Utd team that Van Gaal is building.

The Moldy Gowl · 12-10-2014 12:31PM

Ugh I hate all this ****e talk, Van persie is dutch so cant be touched, rooney is van gaals boy.

What complete ****e, maybe its because they are our 2 best players.

Billy86 · 12-10-2014 12:37PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Valencia in front page of The Sun apparently doing the dirt on his wife.

Did not read it or could not care but did laugh that in pics he could not even give hint of smile.

I guess now she knows how it feels...

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...to get doubled crossed.

Adamocovic · 12-10-2014 12:38PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ugh I hate all this ****e talk, Van persie is dutch so cant be touched, rooney is van gaals boy.

What complete ****e, maybe its because they are our 2 best players.

They are two of our best but obviously with only three able to start from Falcao, Rooney, RVP and Mata opinions will vary.

Based on recent performances you would think Mata in 10 and Rooney up front instead of RVP.

But saying that of course managers have their favourites. We don't know who VG favourites are mind you but I wouldnt exactly call it ****e talk, a managers relationship with a player can have a huge say on whether he will start or not.

Cantona's Collars · 12-10-2014 12:39PM

The Express going with the story of a £4 million bid for Vlaar in January.Vlaar would be a great signing,fast,strong & EPL experience.

Italian press saying Vidal is available for under £28 million in January also.

bucketybuck · 12-10-2014 12:40PM

Its the sort of special selection dilemma you get when you repeatedly buy players you didn't actually need.

bucketybuck · 12-10-2014 12:42PM

zerks wrote: »

The Express going with the story of a £4 million bid for Vlaar in January.Vlaar would be a great signing,fast,strong & EPL experience.

If true, its the type of transfer that winds me up.

If LVG is interested in Vlaar at all, then why not go for him in the summer when we clearly needed somebody like that?

SherlockWatson · 12-10-2014 12:45PM

Rooney is not a great number 10, I really don't see where the idea is coming from that he is.

He drops way too deep, always running towards the ball, doesn't have the required discipline, Close control and first touch aren't good enough, he doesn't exactly have quick feet or much trickery about him, people seem to think cause he can ping a ball 40-50 yards diagonally that he is a great passer - he certainly isn't in tight spaces.

He is an out and out Striker, as showed in 2009/2010 when he scored 34 goals that season. Maybe in a few years he can prolong his career by dropping a bit deeper, but to suggest right now that he is a great No.10 is just ridiculous, he's played less than 40 games there in the league for United over the course of 3 Seasons (including the start of this one)

Cantona's Collars · 12-10-2014 12:53PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

If true, its the type of transfer that winds me up.

If LVG is interested in Vlaar at all, then why not go for him in the summer when we clearly needed somebody like that?

I reckon Villa said no & will need to get something for him now he's almost out of contract.LVG was left with what was touted as the next big things in English football (Jones & Smalling) along with Evans who can be good if he gets a run of games.The usual curse of glass players has hit our defence.

Mitch Connor · 12-10-2014 12:56PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Why are footballers always seem as dim? is just because they didnt go to college?
I reckon they are like everyone who didnt go to college, pretty normal, but with lots of money to do what they want and learn what they want,so essentially, probably smarter than their peers.

You dont really hear that about GAA players or rugby players.

just in reply to this, as I haven't been in in days, ive seen it in a few places that people at United have said Jones us a lovely fella but utterly daft, one of this dimmest footballers they gave had at United. So I'm not saying Jones is dim because of tackles he makes or how he sounds, but because I have read him described as such.

Larry Wildman · 12-10-2014 12:59PM

Footballers are probably seen as dim because typically they leave school early and typically they're from less well off backgrounds.

DARK-KNIGHT · 12-10-2014 01:13PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ugh I hate all this ****e talk, Van persie is dutch so cant be touched, rooney is van gaals boy.

What complete ****e, maybe its because they are our 2 best players.

So rvp and rooney are our best players? Jesus I hope dimaria and Falcao don't read boards.ie :-))

beno619 · 12-10-2014 01:39PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Rooney is not a great number 10, I really don't see where the idea is coming from that he is.

He drops way too deep, always running towards the ball, doesn't have the required discipline, Close control and first touch aren't good enough, he doesn't exactly have quick feet or much trickery about him, people seem to think cause he can ping a ball 40-50 yards diagonally that he is a great passer - he certainly isn't in tight spaces.

He is an out and out Striker, as showed in 2009/2010 when he scored 34 goals that season. Maybe in a few years he can prolong his career by dropping a bit deeper, but to suggest right now that he is a great No.10 is just ridiculous, he's played less than 40 games there in the league for United over the course of 3 Seasons (including the start of this one)

Yeah but he's better than Mata defensively which is obviously the most important trait required when playing the #10 role :rolleyes:

SherlockWatson · 12-10-2014 02:32PM

beno619 wrote: »

Yeah but he's better than Mata defensively which is obviously the most important trait required when playing the #10 role :rolleyes:

That would be a viable point if he was sticking close to opposition deep lying playmakers(Gerrard/Pirlo/Alonso/etc), but he doesn't even have the discipline for that, he'll unnecessarily chase the ball down to the corner flag, leaving him woefully out of position for any counter attack.

(not directed at you, I get you're being sarcastic :P)

Backstreet Moyes · 12-10-2014 05:00PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

That would be a viable point if he was sticking close to opposition deep lying playmakers(Gerrard/Pirlo/Alonso/etc), but he doesn't even have the discipline for that, he'll unnecessarily chase the ball down to the corner flag, leaving him woefully out of position for any counter attack.

(not directed at you, I get you're being sarcastic :P)

I think you will find he drops so deep because of having such a poor midfield to provide service.

Mata and Kagawa natural 10's also were forced to play way too deep and suffered.

For someone who is supposedly woefully out of position for counter's his goal and assist ratio is phenomenal. Can only imagine what it would be if he didn't track back.

Mars Bar · 12-10-2014 05:12PM

From ManUtd.com

Elsewhere, Reds winger Antonio Valencia was not named in the starting team or on the bench for Ecuador’s 1-1 draw with USA in Connecticut. A reason for his absence has not been reported.

I think we all know the reason

Larry Wildman · 12-10-2014 05:15PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

From ManUtd.com

I think we all know the reason

The left side of the bed got sick of seeing no action and shopped him to The Sun...

Headshot · 12-10-2014 05:16PM

I reckon LVG will right pissed off about it

Valmont · 12-10-2014 05:19PM

Is there anything to the rumours that de Gea is keen on moving to Real Madrid who want him to replace Casillas? I've been panicked since I read this - de Gea is fantastic.

LostBoy101 · 12-10-2014 05:30PM

Valmont wrote: »

Is there anything to the rumours that de Gea is keen on moving to Real Madrid who want him to replace Casillas? I've been panicked since I read this - de Gea is fantastic.

Real Madrid can kindly get lost 'cause they are not taking our Dave away :P

Johner · 12-10-2014 05:34PM

De Gea starts for Spain tonight, about time Del Bosque dropped Casillas.

RQ2013 · 12-10-2014 05:37PM

Johner wrote: »

De Gea starts for Spain tonight, about time Del Bosque dropped Casillas.

Deserves his start.... Has been quality for the last while

Is the Spain match on tv?

MagicIRL · 12-10-2014 05:38PM

Rooney with a peach of a free kick for England. Keeper scuppered the save though.

Is the Spain game on TV?

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