Logging a Dead Horse

belcarra · 22-09-2014 03:27PM

Itziger wrote: »

Doesn't 20 miles seem a bit basic for the longest run in a programme?

I'd always aim to get in a couple of 22 milers at least.
Having said that I'll be on a wing and a prayer this Sunday in Berlin!:pac:

Itziger · 22-09-2014 07:29PM

belcarra wrote: »

I'd always aim to get in a couple of 22 milers at least.
Having said that I'll be on a wing and a prayer this Sunday in Berlin!:pac:

Hey, good luck in Berlin. When did your injury problems start up this year, was it before or during that Dusseldorf marathon?

belcarra · 23-09-2014 11:35PM

Itziger wrote: »

Hey, good luck in Berlin. When did your injury problems start up this year, was it before or during that Dusseldorf marathon?

Cheers D!
Injuries started around beginning of April, about a month before Dusseldorf.
I raced the marathon anyways and fell apart in the second half which no doubt worsened the injuries. Real stop/start getting back into it afterwards as I never really gave the injury a chance to heal and it's only in the past month that things are settled down. Only problem now is though that I'm sooo unfit and far off my times that I'm just gonna base build this Autumn and hope to maybe improve 5k times in Parkruns over the Winter and then come new year I'll focus on a race plan.
Perhaps even avoid a Spring target marathon and just concentrate on up to HM til April/May, race the Summer and should be strong then for upping to marathon level come October.

Then again, I might just race a 100km in May instead!:pac:

Itziger · 26-09-2014 12:37PM

This week's Q2 almost went down the swannie as I'd completely forgotten to charge the Garmin. Fortunately I know my 1km markers really well by now and I have a fairly good idea of pace I suppose. No way could I do the full 8 miles of the first part of the workout though. After 5.5 E miles I got into the 6x1k @ 10k pace (or 'I' if you prefer). Felt tough enough but that's to be expected. I did manage to jog the recovery bits - don't know how close to 3 minutes they were.

As for the 200'R'+200jog x 6 (?), well I was planning on not doing that anyway. I'm wary of doing damage with short sharp stuff at this stage.

This weekend says 32k I believe but I'll be looking to do 34 or 35. Easy probably, time on feet and all that.

Itziger · 28-09-2014 11:43AM

Jeez, here's hoping the taper has me in better shape in 4 weeks time. Tough old 35k this morning. Was going well enough, albeit with a tender left calf from the off, till about 4k from finish when the right hip got sore. If that were to happen on race day with a good bit to go...... Last 15 minutes were painful and ugly as hell to watch I'd say. Lots of dragging the right leg through.

Anyway, positives. Done after a heavy few days (for me). 4 previous days had been 10 miles average, so the legs were a bit tired I suppose.

Was thinking of Yaboya and co in Berlin. Got home and checked the score. Sub 3 0 - Yaboya 1!!

Itziger · 01-10-2014 07:31AM

Thought I recovered quite well after Sunday's 35k effort. Got in a real easy and short 4 miler on Monday and then a 10 mile at 8 min pace yesterday which went well too, beautiful afternoon for it. However, the hip is sore now. All I'm doing so far is rubbing on a bit of cream and this morning took a couple of Ibuprofen. Will take a rest day today which is fine but I'm a bit worried about Q2 again this week. It's a thin line between getting the sessions done and staying healthy. I'm in fairly good nick I reckon so I'll be smart about it. I'm not going to go mad on a workout if I think it'll damage anything with just 3.5 weeks to go.

Maybe 8 miles would have been enough yesterday

Slightly mad question here maybe...... Has anyone taken a couple of pain-killers during a race? Would it be dangerous, counter-productive??

Ososlo · 01-10-2014 08:12AM

I took two neurofen plus before a half marathon. I was grand until 10 miles and then died a death and almost fainted and never felt so awful in my whole life. Though I was gonna die. The strangest pains in my stomach and chest.
Maybe something less strong might be ok but I personally wouldn't chance it ever again.

belcarra · 02-10-2014 09:28AM

I've taken nurofen on a couple of marathons/ultras. They did me good at a time when everything was aching and I just wanted to get it done.
Having said that I'd definitely stay away from them in training as they will only mask pain which could lead to bigger injury problems before your goal race. If it hurts in training then treat it properly!
On the day itself though it can aid the attainment of the goal I feel.

Regarding it's side effects on your system/liver, etc. when in a tired state, you should consult your pharmacist!

I'd leave out that Q2 session also if you are that wrecked...no point in a tiny percentage gain if the flip-side is an injury!

Itziger · 02-10-2014 09:53AM

belcarra wrote: »

I've taken nurofen on a couple of marathons/ultras. They did me good at a time when everything was aching and I just wanted to get it done.
Having said that I'd definitely stay away from them in training as they will only mask pain which could lead to bigger injury problems before your goal race. If it hurts in training then treat it properly!
On the day itself though it can aid the attainment of the goal I feel.

Regarding it's side effects on your system/liver, etc. when in a tired state, you should consult your pharmacist!

I'd leave out that Q2 session also if you are that wrecked...no point in a tiny percentage gain if the flip-side is an injury!

Thanks J. It's a right little balancing act at the moment; workout which may lead to more damage or rest which means you're skipping 'key' sessions. I say 'key' cos this week's Q2 is another one of those 4E+ 5x1k+ 4E or some such. I want to be in shape to do the MP workout on Sunday (or Saturday if I can persuade Mrs Itz to go to Longchamp for the geegees).

I'm determined not to lose it as much as poor old Yaboya with the taper madness but Christ, the time seems to be flying. As for the Neurofen, I might stick a couple in my pocket on the day. Remind me how many livers we've got again.

Itziger · 03-10-2014 09:46AM

As expected no Q2 session this week as I'm trying to nurse the hip.... Did an easy 6 miler instead and did it near home so I could bail out if the injury got worse. It didn't but I'm happy I made the right decision in not attempting the much more demanding Q2 workout.

So it continues. As I sit here typing I can just 'feel' the hip. Not even sore, just feel it!! Do I try a run today and/or tomorrow or do I rest as much as possible for the Sunday Q session?

Itziger · 05-10-2014 12:59PM

Q1 3 weeks out, session salvaged. My current bout of stupidity continues as I discovered I'd left the Garmin in work. So, one small faced, girly Ice watch later, out I go. I was lucky that the distances were easily computed. I did change the 6 miles to 10k as I know the km markers so well by now. The prescribed run was 2E+6M+1E+6M+2E and as I was doing 10k instead of 6 miles I was doing a tiny bit more of the quality.

Of course all I could really keep track of was the 5k spilt and even then I was squinting at the watch hand trying to figure out where it was.. First 10k was a bit fast, it certainly bloody felt that way. 41 mins. Jogged for about a mile and then the second part. Was a bit slower but then again it should be. Just right in fact I reckon, 42.30. The 3k jog home felt like hell for some reason. Maybe the wine and brandy and really late night I'd had.

Can't say I'm feeling great about this Frankfurt marathon on the horizon but we'll keep tipping away and see what happens.

Itziger · 10-10-2014 07:39PM

Where to start? Just nailed one of the last sessions and I get home and can barely move my right leg. Pain from hip to thigh. Am currently in bed having taken a painkiller. 1g mofo thing. Will have to see how the next few days go and take things real easy. Could be looking at a first ever DNS if this doesn't clear up

Was actually really happy with the actual workout. The T miles (4x2) went well, although I nearly screwed up by going too fast on the 2nd rep. 12.18 instead of 12.40 Oooops!

Told the old body I'd do M pace on the last 2 miles instead of T and I did indeed start off slower. Looked at watch and it was showing between the two paces and it definitely felt a lot more comfortable. So as the last rep went on I decided to up the ante after all and I just managed to come in on target. This meant I was able to go sub T pace on the last of the 8 miles so, like I say, I was actually quite pleased with that.

Though I had felt the area during the run I wasn't expecting the thing to be this bad afterwards. Will just have to see how next few days go. Taper might be more laid back than ever.

Itziger · 12-10-2014 08:44AM

Hip very much on the mend. Will sit out today's Q1 though. I think it's the first Q1 session missing in the programme. I also think the body needs a fairly easy taper and that's more or less what I plan to give it.

Shame it's such a lovely day here.................

Finnt · 12-10-2014 09:41AM

Good to hear the hip is on the mend,one Q1 session missed won't make any difference now, take it easy get to the start line fit and healthy.

yaboya1 · 12-10-2014 10:10AM

I've read on here before that those Daniels plans either make you or break you, so if you get to the start line you should be ok

Let's hope that's the case.

Itziger · 12-10-2014 12:16PM

Yep, it seems to be a bit of a test alright! Went for a stroll with herself and while there is no pain, I think I was right to take today off at least. Next couple of days will be 'jog and see' and if things are good, I'll do one or two more Q sessions and that's it.

Itziger · 16-10-2014 07:07PM

Yay! Finally something like a confidence booster. I just did a 10 miler with 2E+1T+2M+1T+2M+2E and the session went well. A little on the fast side, pace-wise but not stupidly fast. Hip feels good enough too, so that's a bonus.

The paces should be 6.20 and 6.45 for the T and the M respectively. What I did was:

6:15, 6:34, 6:41, 6:15, 6:39, 6:40. The weird thing is, it's hard to 'slow down' to M pace after a faster mile. On one of the M miles, I was really conscious of not overdoing it and I said, 'ok, lad, rein her in'. But it's not that easy! For future reference and for anyone who wants to experiment, it's the kind of workout that I'll look to do more of in, with little variations. I think the mixture of these two paces is beneficial. Don't ask me for the science but I just feel, this is a good session. Would it be an idea maybe to try M first and then T?

As I haven't come down on the last shower, I don't think that the upcoming 42.2k thingy is now 'in the bag'. However, it's nice to nail a session and not feel like you're about to die at the end of it. 10 days to go!

yaboya1 · 16-10-2014 09:46PM

So if it hasn't broken you........

I think you know

Itziger · 18-10-2014 10:20AM

Well. after Thursday's effort came a heavy-legged, hard breathing 5 mile recovery jog yesterday that almost sucked the confidence back out of me. Had to WALK during it for about 100m. This morning - an autumn morning from paradise - got out for a nice slow, slow 7 miler. Legs and breathing feeling much happier.

Hope to do maybe 12 easy tomorrow and then very little during the week, just a couple of leg looseness. Will see about throwing in a couple of M pace miles. Either during tomorrow's session or Tuesday.

So this 2nd last week has been 39 miles as opposed to Daniels suggested 56 but as I missed last Sunday's Q1 workout.... I would actually have been near the prescribed.Truth be told I never intended doing the 56. It always sounded too much.

Itziger · 19-10-2014 01:55PM

So, last "L" run done today. 12 miles, felt a bit long for 1 week to go but felt ok. Kept it easy but not too slow.

Weighed myself afterwards and noticed the biblical figure of 666 (66.6kg) on the scales.

belcarra · 21-10-2014 12:15AM

Best of luck on Sunday Itzi!
Enjoy the 6 hours in the pub regardless!!

Itziger · 22-10-2014 04:21PM

Hmmmm...... 6 miler done with middle 2 at MP. Bleeding wind man, hope that settles down. The first MP mile was uphill but with wind and second was downhill and headwind. 2nd was worse I reckon. The legs feel ok. Not incredible but not too 'heavy' either.

yaboya1 · 23-10-2014 12:04PM

Good luck on Sunday.
Make sure to join the club

Itziger · 23-10-2014 12:58PM

I'll try my best!

Btw, I know a lad who did Hamburg this year (3:00:05, in his first marathon!) and spoke very highly of it. The atmosphere and course were great, though he has nothing to compare the course with, it being his first.

yaboya1 · 23-10-2014 01:00PM

Itziger wrote: »

I'll try my best!

Btw, I know a lad who did Hamburg this year (3:00:05, in his first marathon!) and spoke very highly of it. The atmosphere and course were great, though he has nothing to compare the course with, it being his first.

Sure you might end up joining me in Hamburg. You never know.

Itziger · 23-10-2014 01:03PM

yaboya1 wrote: »

Sure you might end up joining me in Hamburg. You never know.

If I miss the two 59/59 on Sunday I'll join you in Hamburg but with you as my sub 3 pacer

belcarra · 23-10-2014 01:19PM

Did someone mention Hamburg??
Hmmmm.... tempting!

yaboya1 · 27-10-2014 06:37AM

Unlucky yesterday. Sub 3 next time.
Hamburg??

ThebitterLemon · 27-10-2014 11:19AM

Tough day yesterday. Well done on seeing it out. I know exactly how you were feeling yesterday. Keep the faith.

Ps I ran Hamburg a couple of years ago and it was absolutely roasting, personally, despite it been a cool city and nice course, I wouldn't use it as a PB attempt.

TbL

Itziger · 28-10-2014 11:23AM

Tough day is right. Sixth marathon and first that hasn't been a pb. Also cramped earlier than ever so that was fairly depressing after 16 weeks of training. Will have to reconsider my approach to training. First impression says I have to go longer in training and maybe forget the T efforts or at least cut em down. No plans for the moment though.

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