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Darwin's theory

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  • #542
    obplayer
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    J C wrote: »
    nothing except ... worldwide sedimentary rock layers laid down by it, geological features on a worldwide scale and enough water on Earth to drown the entire surface of the planet to an average depth of 2.6 Kilometres
    http://books.google.ie/books?id=0cUKAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=if+the+earth+were+smooth+what+depth+of+water+would+cover+it&source=bl&ots=JzBhAmvwfU&sig=niv8xWH0zIreRMwc23Yq3c-0NXA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SVo4VOfoFqSV7AbtrIHoCw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=if%20the%20earth%20were%20smooth%20what%20depth%20of%20water%20would%20cover%20it&f=false

    I quote... 'If Earth's contours were levelled to a smooth ball, the ocean would cover it to a depth of 2,686 metres'.

    So there was no flood, just a severe levelling of the Earth?


  • #543
    Edgarfrndly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭Edgarfrndly


    J C wrote: »
    As all big cats can still interbreed (with varying degrees of success) ... it's a very strong hypothesis.

    Some can, some can't. What they cannot do is produce fertile offspring. Speciation of that magnitude takes millions of years, not thousands.


  • #544
    AtomicHorror
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    You guys woke J C. You ****ing morons.

    There'll be no end to this bull**** now.


  • #545
    Pherekydes
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    But what about the CFSI?

    That's torn it now. :eek:


  • #546
    J C
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    The evidence in the rocks all point towards evolution, and nothing at all towards a flood, thats a blind-face lie I'm afraid.
    I think the clues lies in the word Sedimentary ...of the rock variety ... that cover 75% the earths surface.

    Quote:-
    "Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition of material at the Earth's surface and within bodies of water. Sedimentation is the collective name for processes that cause mineral and/or organic particles (detritus) to settle and accumulate or minerals to precipitate from a solution."


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  • #547
    J C
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    obplayer wrote: »
    I quote... 'If Earth's contours were levelled to a smooth ball, the ocean would cover it to a depth of 2,686 metres'.

    So there was no flood, just a severe levelling of the Earth?
    ... a dynamic part-levelling of the surface Earth was a key part of the Inundation phase of the Flood


  • #548
    Edgarfrndly
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    J C wrote: »
    No ... it provides the capacity for a worldwide flood ... the evidence is in the rocks.

    Evidence - What, you mean like finding human skeletons in Ordovician or Triassic rock layers? Oh wait, that's never happened. If there was a worldwide flood, we would not see an ordered layer of species defined by geologic period. Species of all families would be scattered across all geological periods. We would see dinosaurs in the Neogene, and Chimps in the Cambrian.


  • #549
    obplayer
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    J C wrote: »
    ... a dynamic part-levelling of the surface Earth was a key part of the Inundation phase of the Flood

    As a 'scientist' you should know not to just make things up as you go along.


  • #550
    J C
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    At this stage, there's nothing to do but just sit back and enjoy the ride :D
    Fasten your seat belts.:)
    ... and watch out for the air bags ... or should that be wind bags??!!!


  • #551
    J C
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    Edgarfrndly wrote: »
    Evidence - What, you mean like finding human skeletons in Ordovician or Triassic rock layers? Oh wait, that's never happened. If there was a worldwide flood, we would not see an ordered layer of species defined by geologic period. Species of all families would be scattered across all geological periods. We would see dinosaurs in the Neogene, and Chimps in the Cambrian.
    ... and modern crocodiles in the Jurassic!!
    These layers aren't indicative of time ... just the order of burial during the Flood.


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  • #552
    Edgarfrndly
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    J C wrote: »
    These layers aren't indicative of time ... just the order of burial during the Flood.

    Oh, and how did they become so neatly ordered?


  • #553
    AtomicHorror
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    J C's entire world view relies on evolution being wrong. Like many other Christian fundamentalists, he has long recognised that when you give an inch to science, it just never ends. If one passage in the bible is metaphor, that means maybe they all are. If one passage has to be dismissed because of science, well then where does it end? He's actually smart in that he's spotted a problem that most Christians are happy to pretend doesn't exist, but I digress.

    J C's belief system is so literal and so rigid that he knows well that if he accepts evolution, abiogenesis or cosmology, then everything he believes- the Word, God, Jesus, the Judgement, salvation, an afterlife- is basically horse****.

    If the stakes were that big for you, would you ever accept evolution? There are 30,000 posts on the evolution thread(s) over in Christianity that answer that question. A giant no.

    There's no rational argument that wins this debate in the mind of a Believer. Best to know that now.


  • #554
    J C
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    wrote:
    Darwin once said.

    Quote:
    "I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale,"
    I can see a few difficulties ... it would drown, for a start ... the structural changes required would take massive quantities of CFSI, with ever small step outside the Universal Probability Bound.

    AKA a mathematical impossibility.


  • #555
    J C
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    Edgarfrndly wrote: »
    Oh, and how did they become so neatly ordered?
    They're not ... most are a complete jumble.


  • #556
    J C
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Ah, it's back.
    Well spotted.


  • #557
    obplayer
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    J C's entire world view relies on evolution being wrong. Like many other Christian fundamentalists, he has long recognised that when you give an inch to science, it just never ends. If one passage in the bible is metaphor, that means maybe they all are. If one passage has to be dismissed because of science, well then where does it end? He's actually smart in that he's spotted a problem that most Christians are happy to pretend doesn't exist, but I digress.

    J C's belief system is so literal and so rigid that he knows well that if he accepts evolution, abiogenesis or cosmology, then everything he believes- the Word, God, Jesus, the Judgement, salvation, an afterlife- is basically horse****.

    If the stakes were that big for you, would you ever accept evolution? There are 30,000 posts on the evolution thread(s) over in Christianity that answer that question. A giant no.

    There's no rational argument that wins this debate in the mind of a Believer. Best to know that now.

    I agree, I think the driving force behind people like J C's anti-science is simply a fear of death. 'I don't want to die therefore the bible must be right'.


  • #558
    J C
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    J C's entire world view relies on evolution being wrong. Like many other Christian fundamentalists, he has long recognised that when you give an inch to science, it just never ends. If one passage in the bible is metaphor, that means maybe they all are. If one passage has to be dismissed because of science, well then where does it end? He's actually smart in that he's spotted a problem that most Christians are happy to pretend doesn't exist, but I digress.

    J C's belief system is so literal and so rigid that he knows well that if he accepts evolution, abiogenesis or cosmology, then everything he believes- the Word, God, Jesus, the Judgement, salvation, an afterlife- is basically horse****.

    If the stakes were that big for you, would you ever accept evolution? There are 30,000 posts on the evolution thread(s) over in Christianity that answer that question. A giant no.

    There's no rational argument that wins this debate in the mind of a Believer. Best to know that now.
    No .. no ... no and no.:)


  • #559
    AtomicHorror
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    J C wrote: »
    I think the clues lies in the word Sedimentary ...of the rock variety ... that cover 75% the earths surface.

    Quote:-
    "Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition of material at the Earth's surface and within bodies of water. Sedimentation is the collective name for processes that cause mineral and/or organic particles (detritus) to settle and accumulate or minerals to precipitate from a solution."

    Floods cause single layer, largely disordered sedimentation with a gradient based on particle density, not multiple layers.

    If I knew where you lived I would drive about after you all day screaming that sentence into a megaphone punctuated with an earsplitting klaxon. Just to demonstrate that you will never ****ing get it.


  • #560
    Edgarfrndly
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    J C wrote: »
    They're not ... most are a complete jumble.

    If that was the case, then human skeletons would be visible in Ordovician rock layers. Why are they not visible there?


  • #561
    Pherekydes
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    J C wrote: »
    ... and modern crocodiles in the Jurassic!!
    These layers aren't indicative of time ... just the order of burial during the Flood.

    The crocodile family appeared in the early Triassic period, long before the Jurassic period, so of course their fossils would appear in the Jurassic era layers.


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  • #562
    Frank Bullitt
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    J C wrote: »
    No .. no ... no and no.:)

    Yup, I think we have solved it.


  • #563
    J C
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    obplayer wrote: »
    I agree, I think the driving force behind people like J C's anti-science is simply a fear of death. 'I don't want to die therefore the bible must be right'.
    We all fear death ... to some degree.
    You guys cope by believing that the light goes out ... I cope by believing that the light come on.:)


  • #564
    J C
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    Yup, I think we have solved it.
    I wouldn't jump to any rash conclusions ... just yet.:)


  • #565
    AtomicHorror
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    Edgarfrndly wrote: »
    If that was the case, then human skeletons would be visible in Ordovician rock layers. Why are they not visible there?

    Ah because humans lived on the surface you see, whereas invertebrates live mostly in the sea and in the ground. Thus their remains settled at different layers during the Flood with a capital F. Turbulence would act against this, you say? The bible never mentions turbulence so it does not exist you infidel.


  • #566
    J C
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    The crocodile family appeared in the early Triassic period, long before the Jurassic period, so of course their fossils would appear in the Jurassic era layers.
    ... so its worse and more jumbled than even I thought ... the place must have been crawling with Crocodiles during the Flood ... with burials occurring right through the process ... from the Triassic right up:)


  • #567
    AtomicHorror
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    obplayer wrote: »
    As a 'scientist' you should know not to just make things up as you go along.

    There are people with science qualifications who are scientists.
    There are people without science qualifications who are scientists.
    There are people with science qualifications who are not scientists.
    There are people without science qualifications who are not scientists.

    I wish I could say that, at best J C is either the 3rd or 4th option.

    However, after many years and endless arguing, I have concluded that he is actually a partially sentient bible.


  • #568
    GreeBo
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    J C wrote: »
    Juvenile representatives of all Kinds were present.
    For example, there was probably only one pair of the Big Cat Kind ... and all big cat species are though to be descendants of these big cats.
    J C wrote: »
    As all big cats can still interbreed (with varying degrees of success) ... it's a very strong hypothesis.

    So one pair of big cats evolved into all the species of big cats we have today....hmm...they evolved....evolved...evolution is wrong....yet they evolved...they didn't get created...I'm confused J C, you just used evolution to explain creationism...isn't that contradictory?
    unless .maybe Noah invented evolution?


  • #569
    Frank Bullitt
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    J C wrote: »
    We all fear death ... to some degree.
    You guys cope by believing that the light goes out ... I cope by believing that the light come on.:)

    You mean you cope by making up something to try and lessen the thought of it. It's a natural instinct I am sure.

    Religion is mankind's first attempt at the truth, but becuase it is our first it is also our worst attempt at it.

    The knowledge mankind has gained since these primitive books and beliefs were first inscribed supersedes any religious text.

    Science, nor anyone of a non religious stand point will claim to know where we go after we die, that position is firmly held by the faith based community.


  • #570
    AtomicHorror
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    GreeBo wrote: »
    So one pair of big cats evolved into all the species of big cats we have today....hmm...they evolved....evolved...evolution is wrong....yet they evolved...they didn't get created...I'm confused J C, you just used evolution to explain creationism...isn't that contradictory?
    unless .maybe Noah invented evolution?

    "Micro" evolution versus "macro" evolution. "Micro" evolution is possible within kinds or "baramin" as creationists call them.

    The need for jargon is one of very few features common both to science and bollocks.


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  • #571
    Frank Bullitt
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    And how big was the boat the Noah built? And was it made from wood?


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