Playstation Plus Discussion Thread - FAQ in first post

kunst nugget · 09-10-2014 11:09AM

Varik wrote: »

They no longer get to keep the new games for gold stuff, it's the same as plus.

Is that not just for the Xbox One games?

lertsnim · 09-10-2014 11:18AM

Every month it is the same complaints. If you don't like the games then don't renew.

Xenji · 09-10-2014 11:18AM

Admittedly some of the games that have been on plus for the PS4 have not been great, but the likes of Trine 2, Dust, TowerFall, Res0Gun and Velocity 2x have been excellent, while others have been enjoyable as well. I never expected or held any hope that AAA game would be out in the PS4's first year and not sure why people would, even when we do get the first game people will still be giving out if it is not a game they want or if the file size is probably going to be about 30 gig plus.

drumswan · 09-10-2014 11:20AM

lertsnim wrote: »

Every month it is the same complaints. If you don't like the games then don't renew.

Eh, dont you need to pay to play online?

lertsnim · 09-10-2014 11:26AM

drumswan wrote: »

Eh, dont you need to pay to play online?

If you are paying to play online then consider the games a bonus. Simple really. Every month is the very same whining. PS+ was only ever about free games only with the PS3 and it still is.

DarkJager · 09-10-2014 11:36AM

lertsnim wrote: »

Every month it is the same complaints. If you don't like the games then don't renew.

I have a good idea for Sony, why don't they drop the requirement to have a Ps Plus subscription to play online? That way, only people who actually have an interest in playing these **** hipster games would have to purchase a sub. They would never do that though because Plus subscriptions would drop over 90% immediately.

kunst nugget · 09-10-2014 11:39AM

lertsnim wrote: »

Every month it is the same complaints. If you don't like the games then don't renew.

And every month, people complaining about people complaining. It's Groundhog PS month. What's the problem with people expressing opinions on what games they do or don't like in Plus.

Xenji · 09-10-2014 11:43AM

DarkJager wrote: »

I have a good idea for Sony, why don't they drop the requirement to have a Ps Plus subscription to play online? That way, only people who actually have an interest in playing these **** hipster games would have to purchase a sub. They would never do that though because Plus subscriptions would drop over 90% immediately.

What games would you like then?

Will I Amnt · 09-10-2014 11:47AM

I've no issue with them not being AAA. The Cave, Thomas Was Alone, A Clone In The Dark, Catherine, Brothers, Quantum Conundrum, Limbo. These were some of my favourite games on the last gen, and most I got on plus. Nothing has come anywhere close to them on PS4. It's just a bit of a letdown every month, I'm entitled to moan if I want :pac:

Kimbot · 09-10-2014 11:48AM

In 2-3 years time the "Crap games" wont be an issue as the PS4 will have a decent back catalogue of games so a few AAA titles will be free on it.
For €50 I have gotten hours upon hours of entertainment since I got my PS4, now for €50 I could have gone and bought a game that I might have completed in a few hours instead I have been given well over 20 odd games now that make me look at indie titles instead of mainline releases and so far have taken at least 100+ hours of my time and I have enjoyed the majority of those games. The only game I havent liked or played much of was Mercenery Kings.

Kimbot · 09-10-2014 11:48AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I've no issue with them not being AAA. The Cave, Thomas Was Alone, A Clone In The Dark, Catherine, Brothers, Quantum Conundrum, Limbo. These were some of my favourite games on the last gen, and most I got on plus. Nothing has come anywhere close to them on PS4. It's just a bit of a letdown every month, I'm entitled to moan if I want :pac:

Yeah but you hardly got all them free 1 year after the PS3's launch :P

DarkJager · 09-10-2014 11:51AM

Xenji wrote: »

What games would you like then?

There are actually games on the store at present I think would fit very well in Ps Plus and I'd actually be interested in playing - Pure pool, Surgeon Simulator, Octodad etc. Games that might actually provide some level of enjoyment instead of 5 mins before being deleted. Obviously a year down the line there will also be retail titles that can be added.

Instead, we constantly get these crap titles like Mercenary kings, road not taken, dust, Spelunky etc that are just boring to the point of tears. Some return of at least 1 halfway enjoyable game a month for having to pay a subscription wouldn't be too much to expect would it?

tok9 · 09-10-2014 11:57AM

Xenji wrote: »

What games would you like then?

I was expecting this. :P

johnny_ultimate · 09-10-2014 12:13PM

If you are playing games for five minutes and deleting them, the problem is you, not the games. That is so farcically inadequate an amount of time to dedicate to games with mechanical and design depths like Don't Starve, Towerfall, Strider, Dust and especially Spelunky that you'll excuse me for dismissing the opinion near completely. It's not even enough to get past their respective tutorials. Even if we allow a bit of angry hyperbole in there, these are games that require time to reveal their vast depths (although Dust looks ****ing gorgeous from the off, at least) not a couple of minutes play and a stubborn delete.

There's no onus on anyone to like all these games, but from any reasonable standpoint most have something to offer even if ultimately it's not for you (one or two legitimate duds aside). If we look at the last two months alone, there's a significant variety of titles all offering their own unique experience. Give them a proper chance, deleting them near immediately is simply ridiculous.

At the very least, get a friend over and give Sportsfriends a go!

drumswan · 09-10-2014 12:15PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

If you are playing games for five minutes and deleting them, the problem is you, not the games. That is so farcically inadequate an amount of time to dedicate to games with mechanical and design depths like Don't Starve, Towerfall Dust and especially Spelunky that you'll excuse me for dismissing the opinion near completely. It's not even enough to get past their respective tutorials. Even if we allow a bit of angry hyperbole in there, these are games that require time to reveal their vast depths (although Dust looks ****ing gorgeous from the off, at least) not a couple of minutes play and a stubborn delete.

There's no onus on anyone to like all these games, but from any reasonable standpoint most have something to offer even if ultimately it's not for you (one or two legitimate duds aside). If we look at the last two months alone, there's a significant variety of titles all offering their own unique experience. Give them a proper chance, deleting them near immediately is simply ridiculous.

OK, ill try this months again, I havent deleted them. They strike me as simple platformers, puzzlers and shoot-em-ups though.

Benzino · 09-10-2014 12:22PM

DarkJager wrote: »

I have a good idea for Sony, why don't they drop the requirement to have a Ps Plus subscription to play online?

Then who will pay for the server costs?

lertsnim · 09-10-2014 12:31PM

DarkJager wrote: »

I have a good idea for Sony, why don't they drop the requirement to have a Ps Plus subscription to play online?

PS3 is free to play online. That's one alternative. If you aren't happy to pay for online play with Sony then you could also go to XBOX who will also charge you and give you games that you will probably think are crap also.

Kingp35 · 09-10-2014 12:52PM

I wonder what the age range is for people who are complaining about indie titles on PS+, particularly the people who keep comparing them to C64 games etc. I have a suspicion that most are in their late teens/early 20's and didn't grow up in a time when graphical power was limited so game designers actually had to focus on gameplay and coming up with unique ideas. It's a common complaint that these games "look like something you would play on a Super Nintendo" as if that's a bad thing. It's all about the graphics for these people when it should be all about the gameplay.

There have been some brilliant indie titles released on PS+ so far and I for one hope it continues. You need to give these games a proper chance and stop immediately dismissing them based on graphics alone.

drumswan · 09-10-2014 01:12PM

Kingp35 wrote: »

I wonder what the age range is for people who are complaining about indie titles on PS+, particularly the people who keep comparing them to C64 games etc. I have a suspicion that most are in their late teens/early 20's and didn't grow up in a time when graphical power was limited so game designers actually had to focus on gameplay and coming up with unique ideas. It's a common complaint that these games "look like something you would play on a Super Nintendo" as if that's a bad thing. It's all about the graphics for these people when it should be all about the gameplay.

There have been some brilliant indie titles released on PS+ so far and I for one hope it continues. You need to give these games a proper chance and stop immediately dismissing them based on graphics alone.

What are you talking about, I had a C64 and already played all these games, I enjoyed them when I was a child and have no interest in playing through clones of them again. People are raving about Velocity 2X or whatever, its just R-Type/1942 combined with Mission Impossible, theres nothing original about it and its boring.

I thought quite the opposite, that people who think a simple platformer or hack'n'slash is "brilliant" didnt spend a decade already playing them because they are too young.

Kingp35 · 09-10-2014 01:18PM

drumswan wrote: »

What are you talking about, I had a C64 and already played all these games, I enjoyed them when I was a child and have no interest in playing through clones of them again. People are raving about Velocity 2X or whatever, its just R-Type/1942 combined with Mission Impossible, theres nothing original about it and its boring.

I thought quite the opposite, that people who think a simple platformer or hack'n'slash is "brilliant" didnt spend a decade already playing them because they are too young.

So what games do you enjoy?

kunst nugget · 09-10-2014 01:20PM

Kingp35 wrote: »

I wonder what the age range is for people who are complaining about indie titles on PS+, particularly the people who keep comparing them to C64 games etc. I have a suspicion that most are in their late teens/early 20's and didn't grow up in a time when graphical power was limited so game designers actually had to focus on gameplay and coming up with unique ideas. It's a common complaint that these games "look like something you would play on a Super Nintendo" as if that's a bad thing. It's all about the graphics for these people when it should be all about the gameplay.

There have been some brilliant indie titles released on PS+ so far and I for one hope it continues. You need to give these games a proper chance and stop immediately dismissing them based on graphics alone.

The youth of today, eh? Don't know they're born…

I don't have an issue with indies and there's been some fantastic ones but there's plenty of clunkers out there as well. I do find that for some people there seems to be an opinion that indies are beyond criticism and if you say anything bad about an indie game then somehow you're more interested in shiny baubles than gameplay. There's some really inventive indie games and then there's ones that take a unique idea and just make repetitive one trick ponies. The same obviously applies for AAA titles.

That said, if you're of the opinion that ALL indie games suck then you're really missing out.

DarkJager · 09-10-2014 01:21PM

drumswan wrote: »

What are you talking about, I had a C64 and already played all these games, I enjoyed them when I was a child and have no interest in playing through clones of them again. People are raving about Velocity 2X or whatever, its just R-Type/1942 combined with Mission Impossible, theres nothing original about it and its boring.

I thought quite the opposite, that people who think a simple platformer or hack'n'slash is "brilliant" didnt spend a decade already playing them because they are too young.

Absolutely, just look at Spelunky for example. It's basically a copy of Rick Dangerous. Nostalgia is a good thing in some cases but I don't see any reason to be awed or impressed by a game style I played 20 something years ago on an IBM 286. Gaming should be trying to move itself forward as a medium, not cooing over regressive titles.

kunst nugget · 09-10-2014 01:26PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Absolutely, just look at Spelunky for example. It's basically a copy of Rick Dangerous. Nostalgia is a good thing in some cases but I don't see any reason to be awed or impressed by a game style I played 20 something years ago on an IBM 286. Gaming should be trying to move itself forward as a medium, not cooing over regressive titles.

Tbf, there's room for everything in gaming just as in music and film, whether you want something funky and retro or something high definition and bang up to date.

drumswan · 09-10-2014 01:43PM

DarkJager wrote: »

Absolutely, just look at Spelunky for example. It's basically a copy of Rick Dangerous. Nostalgia is a good thing in some cases but I don't see any reason to be awed or impressed by a game style I played 20 something years ago on an IBM 286. Gaming should be trying to move itself forward as a medium, not cooing over regressive titles.

Spelunky has 'vast depths' apparently. There must be something we're missing. Maybe it morphs into something other than jumping on snakes heads after the first few levels.

drumswan · 09-10-2014 01:45PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbf, there's room for everything in gaming just as in music and film, whether you want something funky and retro or something high definition and bang up to date.

Not on the PS+ Instant Game Collection though. Which is the point people are making.

I think I'd prefer the whole 'big demo' thing they will do with Drive Club tbh

Revoker88 · 09-10-2014 01:47PM

Im north of 30 and have not been overly impressed with PS+. Trine 2 being the stand out games for me.

FEZ,Dont Starve and Strider are the only other games i would rate. Two of which i had already played on PC well before they came to plus. Had not played Trine on PC so that was new to me,but again was out donkeys before on PC

So no i wouldnt say its age related.

Off topic but can anybody tell me if sports friends literally has only like 4 game modes?
Tried it out with a mate a few weeks ago and i could only see 4 game modes.
Talk about depth of mechanics all you want but 4 game modes and no online MP only local is not good enough imo. I also like local MP,but not to be able to play the game at all with out it is silly imo

kunst nugget · 09-10-2014 01:51PM

drumswan wrote: »

Not on the PS+ Instant Game Collection though. Which is the point people are making.

I think I'd prefer the whole 'big demo' thing they will do with Drive Club tbh

There is room for it on IGC. I'd be happy with a good indie/AAA split.

I'd definitely prefer good quality full indies over glorified demos. It really sounds like an awful road for PS Plus to go down.

johnny_ultimate · 09-10-2014 04:38PM

drumswan wrote: »

What are you talking about, I had a C64 and already played all these games, I enjoyed them when I was a child and have no interest in playing through clones of them again. People are raving about Velocity 2X or whatever, its just R-Type/1942 combined with Mission Impossible, theres nothing original about it and its boring.

I thought quite the opposite, that people who think a simple platformer or hack'n'slash is "brilliant" didnt spend a decade already playing them because they are too young.

The same way Destiny is a Doom clone? Drive Club is a Ridge Racer clone? Bloodborne is a King's Field clone?

You see, the great thing about a lot of games is that they take familiar formulas and build on them in ways both small and large. Velocity 2X might appear to be a basic shmup at its most fundamental level, but it piles on layers of twists and mechanical evolutions to ensure it ultimately feels radically different to its inspirations. Resogun even more so. They also take advantage of the increased graphical and technical capabilities of their host consoles in many ways - whether that's the spectacular particle showers of Resogun, the blisteringly fast, uninterrupted gameplay flow of Velocity or indeed the way both games take absolute advantage of more modern online capabilities. It's testament to both the designers' imagination and the sticking power of much retro design that we still get so many refreshing takes on some of the medium's oldest ideas. It's not just indie games - it is the rare AAA game that radically departs from the formulas set down at the dawn of the 3D era or at least the PS2 era. The genres have largely evolved rather than revolved.

drumswan wrote: »

Spelunky has 'vast depths' apparently. There must be something we're missing. Maybe it morphs into something other than jumping on snakes heads after the first few levels.

It does offer vast depths, because it offers nearly endless permutations of level design, incredibly complex secrets, a huge array of game-changing items and a serious level of escalating challenge and difficulty. Players and critics alike aren't just making this **** up - you could play it for a hundred hours and still be trying to figure out its devious systems and rules.

DarkJager · 09-10-2014 05:58PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It does offer vast depths, because it offers nearly endless permutations of level design, incredibly complex secrets, a huge array of game-changing items and a serious level of escalating challenge and difficulty. Players and critics alike aren't just making this **** up - you could play it for a hundred hours and still be trying to figure out its devious systems and rules.

I gave Spelunky an hour this afternoon to see if I was missing something - deleted it a few minutes ago again. If jumping or whipping snakes and bats with the ability to blow up chunks of a level is classed as "vast depth" then I must be really out of touch with what's classed a good game. This is complete and utter **** and I'm even more amazed at some of the review scores it got (Eurogamer gave it 10/10??). That's an absolute insult to games that are actually enjoyable and score nowhere near that in reviews. There is nothing special about that game at all, it's a 0/10 in my eyes.

Josey Wales · 09-10-2014 06:11PM

DarkJager wrote: »

I gave Spelunky an hour this afternoon to see if I was missing something - deleted it a few minutes ago again. If jumping or whipping snakes and bats with the ability to blow up chunks of a level is classed as "vast depth" then I must be really out of touch with what's classed a good game. This is complete and utter **** and I'm even more amazed at some of the review scores it got (Eurogamer gave it 10/10??). That's an absolute insult to games that are actually enjoyable and score nowhere near that in reviews. There is nothing special about that game at all, it's a 0/10 in my eyes.

An hour is no time at all when it comes to this game. As johnny_ultimate already said there is so much to this game under the surface. You just have to be prepared to give it a chance.

Surely a 0/10 is a little hyperbolic. In my eyes a 0/10 game is something that is fundamentally broken.

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