17 v .22 the best riffle and scope

killintime · 02-10-2014 04:22PM #1

hi all a frand of mine is looking to get a riffle and would like to no what is the best riffle and scope an mod to get as there is alot out there to chose from

extremetaz · 02-10-2014 04:37PM

Personally I'd point him towards the 22LR as a first rifle, and simply because it's FAR cheaper to feed than anything else on the market barring air rifles which will make all the difference while he's in the learning stages.

Let him move onto to bigger, louder and more expensive habits from there as he sees fit.

killintime · 02-10-2014 04:40PM

he is not looking to go more than .22 so wants to spend his cash on something good that will last him

extremetaz · 02-10-2014 05:14PM

Well, in that case he needs to know exactly what he wants to shoot and from what range he wants to be able to shoot it - then choose the best round for that job and buy a rifle that fires that round.

For the record though - I don't think I know *anybody* who's ever regretted buying a .22LR. They are, bar none, the best rifle to learn to shoot on, they're a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, and because they're so cheap to feed you can put a hell of a lot of lead downrange before your pocket will start to feel it. Match grade ammo will set you back about 16c a round. I don't think there's another caliber that can come anywhere near that.

killintime · 02-10-2014 05:33PM

he want to do some rabbit an fox hunting prob 100 yards abit of target as well no more than 200 yards

Traumadoc · 02-10-2014 05:45PM

I would go for a 22, as a 17 hmr needs a lot of cleaning to keep it sweet, I sold my .17 and bought a 22. have not regretted it.

killintime · 02-10-2014 05:48PM

what make of .22 would you rocomend as there alot to pick from thanks

oldtart · 02-10-2014 06:39PM

killintime wrote: »

what make of .22 would you rocomend as there alot to pick from thanks

CZ

extremetaz · 02-10-2014 06:41PM

22WMR would give you foxing capability out to ~80-100 yards I'd expect, 22LR wouldn't be advisable on a fox.

The WMR won't be as quiet or as cheap to run as the LR but it's still reasonably cheap to feed and easy to shoot.

killintime · 02-10-2014 06:43PM

any piticular model in the cz range

killintime · 02-10-2014 06:57PM

what make of riffle uses the wmr rounds thanks

mister gullible · 02-10-2014 07:40PM

The only real choice is 22lr or 17hmr. The 22 magnum gives the worst of both worlds, noisier than the 22lr, poor trajectory for longer ranges, not as good in a breeze as hmr, less hitting power than hmr (in real life shooting).
I prefer suppressed 22lr to 70yds. For longer rabbits and occasional foxes I'd go hmr. If I could have only one it would be 22lr.

garv123 · 02-10-2014 08:02PM

He really needs to decide what he wants it for.. no point just asking what to get when everyone will have their own opinion without knowing what his intentions are.

The main things that will decide it are below.

Does he want to shoot just rabbits/shoot targets?

Does he want it for rabbits and shooting foxes?

The .22 is better suited for rabbits and targets, its quieter, cheaper to feed and
estimate bullets around 7-8euro for 50..

The 17hmr is better suited for rabbits and foxes, its dead flat out to 120 yards and packs much more punch than the .22 on foxes and is better at longer ranges.
€16 per 50

So what does he want it for?

I had a hmr for 3 years and I loved it, the licence is up now and Ive sold it on and Ive gotten a .22 for a bit of targets rabbits, I just got a .243 now aswel so that will do me for fox shooting.

cz 452 for a nice light gun accurate out of the box
Both have their purposes.

killintime · 02-10-2014 08:10PM

hi he will be rabbit hunting an the odd fox as for target not some much an do you no any good scope to go with the cz 452 thanks

garv123 · 02-10-2014 08:16PM

killintime wrote: »

hi he will be rabbit hunting an the odd fox as for target not some much an do you no any good scope to go with the cz 452 thanks

I got a nikko stirling nighteater 4-16x50, had it on my hmr and its now on my .243,

cost me about 220 I think and its the best value for money scope ive come across yet. brilliant in low light when deer shooting for the money too.

I was crossing a stream last night and slipped and I managed to drop the rifle

The gun hopped off a stone scope first. I picked it up and came to a field and saw a rabbit at about 40 yards, took a shot at him and took his head off to my suprise, close shot but I taught i was going to be in the market for a new scope but it seems to be fine.

killintime · 02-10-2014 08:26PM

thanks ill pass the info on the scope to him sounds like a good scope an hope you were ok after your fall

killintime · 02-10-2014 09:29PM

hi just found out its a bolt action rifle he looking to get

yubabill1 · 02-10-2014 10:00PM

CZ452 or newer models are bolt actions.

They are extremely accurate - don't let the low price fool you.

Would not recommend for foxes unless you can hit them in the heart, head (or neck as a last resort) but you will find it harder than it sounds.

If you're only starting out shooting, keep it to the fox's head for the first while. This will probably mean getting closer - it's best to make strong efforts to kill humanely and as your skill grows, you can expand your repertoire of shots.

I have shot many foxes with 22LR and it will do the job if you supply the skill.

killintime · 02-10-2014 10:09PM

thanks yubabill1 will pass the info on to him as it seems that the cz is the only rifle that has got a mention on here so he dont have alot to chose from

yubabill1 · 02-10-2014 10:31PM

There are lots of rifles to choose from out there and I have seen many of them, but I can think of very few that will outshoot the CZ 452 (and newer models) and even less that match their reliability.

When it comes to putting the bullet in the right place "It ain't the arrow - it's the Indian."

In other words, you will have to be one helluva good shot with years of discipline to extract the extra bit of performance that an expensive target rifle will give you over the humble CZ. Many people do not realise this and most (local "expert" shooters)will waste their breath trying to convince you otherwise.

killintime · 02-10-2014 10:48PM

hi is the cz 452 17 hmr

oldtart · 03-10-2014 07:41AM

killintime wrote: »

hi is the cz 452 17 hmr

The CZ 455 is able to change barells, but then you need a licence for each barell, I think. You can have .17hmr, 22lr or .22wmr

oldtart · 03-10-2014 07:44AM

oldtart wrote: »

The CZ 455 is able to change barells, but then you need a licence for each barell, I think. You can have .17hmr, 22lr or .22wmr

The CZ 452 is the same but is fixed and not able to switch from one to another.

killintime · 03-10-2014 07:54AM

ya he had alook at the cz455 they can be changed but will need a licence for the two if he got 17 /.22 not onleed he moves to the usa

killintime · 03-10-2014 08:56AM

cz 527 17 hornet Based on the .22 Hornet cartridge case, the .17 Hornet propels the 20
grain V-MAX bullet to a scorching 3,650 fps. Fueled with Superformance
propellent, the .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridge is economi
-
cally priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 grain .223
load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a .22 WMR. The .17
Hornet – an economical, fun .17-caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the
sting on varmints out to 300 yards!
•
3,650 fps muzzle velocity with a 20 grain V-MAX bullet
•
Same length as the .22 Hornet – uses the existing action
•
Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 grain
.223 Rem, with the felt recoil of a .22 WMR
•
Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure
compared to the .17 Rem
•
Lower cost and comparable quality to the .17 Fireball and .223
any got 1 or no how good there are thanks

killintime · 03-10-2014 10:51AM

above post the ammo cost to much for it any one no anything about the sako 17 if there any good of a fifle thanks

extremetaz · 03-10-2014 11:59AM

The CZ455 is available in 17HMR, but to answer the question, Sako are a good brand as well yes.

killintime · 03-10-2014 12:44PM

ya was looking at the SAKO QUAD 17 an.22 but not shur how good they are as most ppl are saying the cz range

yubabill1 · 03-10-2014 03:34PM

Ah, I think I see shades of the eternal question - what calibre rifle to use for rabbits and fox?

There is no easy answer IMHO.

I would say get a 22LR if this is a first rifle and concentrate on rabbits for a start: Logic of this is that 22LR rabbit shooting needs discipline and discipline makes good shooting.

Also, 22LR has almost no recoil and won't lead to bad habits so much.

17HMR is a small step up from 22LR and not bad to shoot with a moderator wrt recoil. Without a mod, it's noisy and there is enough recoil to induce a flinch in a new shooter if they're not careful.

Then there's the 22WMR, which probably fits somewhere in between the two.

There will be many opinions on this and don't take mine as final.

killintime · 03-10-2014 07:22PM

thanks again yubabill1 Logic of this is that 22LR rabbit shooting needs discipline and discipline makes good shooting. cant say more than that but its a 17 he is going for now just need to find the wright one for him now all info is welcome an taken on board thanks again for all your help keep up the good work

Gorman700 · 04-10-2014 08:58AM

killintime wrote: »

cz 527 17 hornet Based on the .22 Hornet cartridge case, the .17 Hornet propels the 20
grain V-MAX bullet to a scorching 3,650 fps. Fueled with Superformance
propellent, the .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridge is economi
-
cally priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 grain .223
load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a .22 WMR. The .17
Hornet – an economical, fun .17-caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the
sting on varmints out to 300 yards!
•
3,650 fps muzzle velocity with a 20 grain V-MAX bullet
•
Same length as the .22 Hornet – uses the existing action
•
Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 grain
.223 Rem, with the felt recoil of a .22 WMR
•
Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure
compared to the .17 Rem
•
Lower cost and comparable quality to the .17 Fireball and .223
any got 1 or no how good there are thanks

Anyone have more info on these?

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