The Official Ryder Cup 2014 Thread - No betting talk

scrubber72 · 28-09-2014 07:12PM

Macker1 wrote: »

Man has no class whatsoever.

Long history between tom and Phil.
Expect big backlash over coming weeks in press by us players against tom.
Azinger will be getting a phone call soon.

Macker1 · 28-09-2014 07:14PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He is refreshingly honest IMO.

Tom did make a balls of it.

Should you say that ?

Of course there is a time for honesty but just after the loss is not it. The PGA will no doubt do a post mortem on the week and should come up with valid reasons as to why their efforts were fruitless yet again. Phil and other members of the team should give their input if requested at that point.

DeanAustin · 28-09-2014 07:15PM

scrubber72 wrote: »

Long history between tom and Phil.
Expect big backlash over coming weeks in press by us players against tom.
Azinger will be getting a phone call soon.

Watson is a far from classy individual from what I hear. The public image is far from reality as I understand it.

Macker1 · 28-09-2014 07:17PM

pelevin wrote: »

Whereas saying Mickelson has no class whatsoever is real classy.

I'm uncertain of any other way to say it. Mickelson as a elder member of the team should keep his counsel till the right time and right audience.

pelevin · 28-09-2014 07:23PM

Macker1 wrote: »

I'm uncertain of any other way to say it. Mickelson as a elder member of the team should keep his counsel till the right time and right audience.

Ok, maybe the action was wrong and "without class" but to sum up his character as having no class whatsoever is just needless & wrong. For instance how he was responding to some great shots by Rose in last Ryder Cup was certainly not the actions of a man devoid of any class.

Benny Cake · 28-09-2014 07:27PM

pelevin wrote: »

Whereas saying Mickelson has no class whatsoever is real classy.

Mickelson is a notoriously nasty f*cker, should have kept his mouth shut and dealt with it in private...

Pdoghue · 28-09-2014 07:28PM

From what I've read, Phil is not the most popular guy on the PGA tour. Not called Figjam for nothing!

Pudsy33 · 28-09-2014 07:28PM

Is there anywhere to read what was said?

elgenerale · 28-09-2014 07:29PM

Check out golfchannel.com Brandel Chamblee going off on one over Phils behaviour.

pelevin · 28-09-2014 07:36PM

Benny Cake wrote: »

Mickelson is a notoriously nasty f*cker, should have kept his mouth shut and dealt with it in private...

A notoriously nasty f*cker? Sounds like we're talking about a crime boss who would inflict particularly vicious kind of hurt on those who crossed him. We're talking about Phil Mickelson the golfer here, not Phil "Thumbscrews" Mickelson from the Bronx, who's doing a 20 year stretch for something better left unsaid?

Benny Cake · 28-09-2014 07:39PM

pelevin wrote: »

A notoriously nasty f*cker? Sounds like we're talking about a crime boss who would inflict particularly vicious kind of hurt on those who crossed him. We're talking about Phil Mickelson the golfer here, not Phil "Thumbscrews" Mickelson from the Bronx, who's doing a 20 year stretch for something better left unsaid?

There's more nast f*ckers walking the streets than there are "doing a stretch".
Be a sheep if you like, or you could do a little googling and make up your own mind

PARlance · 28-09-2014 07:43PM

There'll be some great satirical pictures of the press conference tomorrow.
Watson and his 12 apostles all sitting down facing the media.

Judas should have waited till after supper to betray him.

John Divney · 28-09-2014 07:43PM

That's definitely the mask slipping from Phil.

Not the time for it, but he is a notorious egotist.

Pdoghue · 28-09-2014 07:49PM

John Divney wrote: »

That's definitely the mask slipping from Phil.

Not the time for it, but he is a notorious egotist.

Phil aka Figjam

ArmaniJeanss · 28-09-2014 08:09PM

Had to look it up. 'Fcuk, I'm Good, Just Ask Me'.
Surely thats the clunkiest mnemonic of all time.

FixdePitchmark · 28-09-2014 08:13PM

Feel sorry for Tom.

As was said there - Paul makes him look bad.

Tom was like something from the 70s - Paul was a modern man manager.

Laois6556 · 28-09-2014 08:18PM

I think too much is made of the whole captain thing. Europe have the better players, that's the main reason why they won. I think Paul did well but there wasn't really much Watson could do, his players just weren't good enough.

FixdePitchmark · 28-09-2014 08:25PM

I think we are only getting to hear 1/2 the stuff that Paul did.

He didn't know Dubission - so went and met him 4 nights in a row for a meal.

Found out Dubission was into F1 - phone call to Eddie Jordan - sorts out Monaco for him.

Ardillaun · 28-09-2014 08:34PM

So we hear so much Captain's picks, rookies, momentum and strategy etc. in this event. Has anyone done a statistical analysis to see what has really mattered over the years?

cairny · 28-09-2014 08:41PM

Laois6556 wrote: »

I think too much is made of the whole captain thing. Europe have the better players, that's the main reason why they won. I think Paul did well but there wasn't really much Watson could do, his players just weren't good enough.

Do you guys realise the average US ranking was actually lower (only a really small bit but still) than the average Europe ranking?

lostatsea · 28-09-2014 08:41PM

I thought Phil's comment were a disgrace and an insult against one of the legends of the game. The captain dropped him on the Saturday and Phil made a number of approaches to get picked that day. Because he didn't get his way, he took revenge like a silly schoolboy who says the last coach or teacher did it much better than the new man. Poor Hunter looked deeply embarrassed to be sitting beside him.

At some point the US players will have to take responsibility for their own behaviour and stop behaving look spoilt brats.

Having said that, Watson did make some elementary errors but they were beaten by a better set of players.

It is Europe who should have a bigger problem bonding as seen by the playing of the anthems in the closing ceremony. The USA were singing their anthem with their hands on their hearts. The Europeans were talking during their anthem although, in all honesty, it meant nothing to me either (never heard the anthem before.)

spacecoyote · 28-09-2014 08:47PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think we are only getting to hear 1/2 the stuff that Paul did.

He didn't know Dubission - so went and met him 4 nights in a row for a meal.

Found out Dubission was into F1 - phone call to Eddie Jordan - sorts out Monaco for him.

Yeah, liked his comments re walking with dubuisson for first few holes as he was struggling to adjust to atmosphere & not having gmac with him.

Yes it comes down to the players at the end of the day but McGinleys approach to it can only have been a positive influence in the dressing room

Laois6556 · 28-09-2014 08:48PM

cairny wrote: »

Do you guys realise the average US ranking was actually lower (only a really small bit but still) than the average Europe ranking?

Go through the team lists and tell me which you'd prefer to have?

Rikand · 28-09-2014 08:51PM

sydneybound wrote: »

Jim Furyk is now the first player in US history to lose 20 Ryder Cup matches.

He's lost about 6 or 7 of them to Sergio. He's really got his number. I was delighted when I saw the draw and jim got sergio. Birdie/Eagle 15 & 16 was so special.... A Sergio Special!

Overall I enjoyed every second of this Ryder Cup. I would have enjoyed it I think even if the yanks had won.

Reed's passion on the golf course was top class. You have to admire that determination to win and the way he fed off the energy around him and the energy in the crowd. Spieth too. Watson made a poor decision to not play them in the first foursomes and he made another poor decision with Bradley/Mick. Should have dropped them for the foursomes and had them back out in the fourballs the next day.

Jamie D was a weapon. A total weapon! that shot into 15 was something else, but he was class the whole way around. Kaymer was brilliant today as well. Still think it was wrong that he played with Rose yesterday, but he more than made up for it today.

Felt sorry for Stevie G - Just didn't get a decent run at it and coming up against a p!ssed off Phil Mickelson didn't help matters for him. Felt a bit sorry for Mahan too. Bottled another chip right at the death...

Lee Westwood was a good pick in the end. His partnership with Donaldson was excellent and in fairness, he did play some excellent golf. There was no stopping Jimmy Walker today. And credit to Jimmy, he had a brilliant Ryder Cup. Himself and Fowler were an excellent pairing.

The Doobs and Gmac were just class. McGinley had a plan for them and it paid off, brilliantly!

And that's the biggest credit of all. You can say what you like about the passion of the sides or the abilities of the players but at the end of the day, McGinley laid down a HUGE amount of preparation for this and it all paid off. I was listening to Newstalk this evening and a couple of lads were talking about it and comparing Watson to McGinley. Watson give the appearance of someone who just kinda of showed up, thinking they'd win. Whereas McGinley treated this as a full time job for the last 2 years. He had notes upon notes upon notes on everyone and everything. There was no stone left unturned.

There was a question made to McGinley about " What do you to say to McIlroy before he goes out in the singles ? "
and McGinley's response was, "I looked back at my notes from 2009 and the Seve Trophy to see what I said to McIlroy then and just said the same thing again, because I wanted it to be consistent and I wanted to get the same result out of him."

That's preparation and that's dedication and that's why as Captain he's a deserved winner of the Ryder Cup!

and finally.....

SERGIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cairny · 28-09-2014 08:52PM

Laois6556 wrote: »

Go through the team lists and tell me which you'd prefer to have?

Rankings are what decide the majority of both teams, do you think the rankings are wrong? You're not giving credit where it's due.

Laois6556 · 28-09-2014 08:57PM

cairny wrote: »

Rankings are what decide the majority of both teams, do you think the rankings are wrong? You're not giving credit where it's due.

Rankings don't tell everything. Are you saying you'd prefer to have the US line up? I think Paul did a very good job but he had the better team.

First Up · 28-09-2014 08:57PM

Laois6556 wrote: »

I think too much is made of the whole captain thing. Europe have the better players, that's the main reason why they won. I think Paul did well but there wasn't really much Watson could do, his players just weren't good enough.

There is no definitive answer to that but there is a visible difference in the dynamic within the European squad and the American squad. At this level, where talent, competitiveness and the bounce of the ball are pretty evenly distributed, the mental side of it had to be a factor.

We are now hearing about the friction within the American camp and the lack of connection between Watson and some of the players. I don't know how big a factor that was but you can't dismiss it.

PARlance · 28-09-2014 08:58PM

Ardillaun wrote: »

So we hear so much Captain's picks, rookies, momentum and strategy etc. in this event. Has anyone done a statistical analysis to see what has really mattered over the years?

Recent trends suggest that playing a left handed golfer is a recipe for failure.

It wasn't always the case but there's no denying the fact that in recent events you will not win with a lefty.

Stats, lies etc.

Laois6556 · 28-09-2014 08:59PM

First Up wrote: »

There is no definitive answer to that but there is a visible difference in the dynamic within the European squad and the American squad. At this level, where talent, competitiveness and the bounce of the ball are pretty evenly distributed, the mental side of it had to be a factor.

We are now hearing about the friction within the American camp and the lack of connection between Watson and some of the players. I don't know how big a factor that was but you can't dismiss it.

That's always the case when a team wins or loses. When America won under Azinger everything was great, when Europe lost under Faldo everything was terrible.

John Divney · 28-09-2014 09:00PM

The Captain creates a mass pyscology, it can't be understated how important that is.

The picks are huge too, Watson got his wrong and the foursomes were a total disaster for him.

The captain for a team of absolute killers is less important, but that USA team was nothing like the names Watson captained last time. They were warriors

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