Haven't had a 'guns+Murica' thread in a while

Reindeer · 25-09-2014 09:07PM #1

The sad part is, the victim is apologizing to the cop for being shot.
Warning for non Muricans, some poor dude gets shot in this video:

http://www.wistv.com/clip/10620673/warning-graphic-dash-cam-video-released-in-trooper-involved-shooting

25-09-2014 09:11PM

Deaths from gun violence in the US is on a downward spiral, despite what it might seem.

Let them have their guns and their freedoms!

biko · 25-09-2014 09:54PM

About a week or so.

Last was "Another USA Gun Thread (special apperances by M16s, MRAPs & rocket launchers)"

foggy_lad · 25-09-2014 11:18PM

What a shower of useless brain-dead Muppets the American police appear to be!

Shooting a person for not wearing their seat belt, Whatever next? will they shoot children for decaying their own teeth by eating sweets?

It is never a white person that gets shot!

krudler · 25-09-2014 11:33PM

That's fcuked up, asks to see the guy's license, shoots him when he turns to get it.

solomafioso · 25-09-2014 11:34PM

I was like....

c_man · 25-09-2014 11:40PM

Imagine this guy going around your neighbour! Ah the lads in the states, some craic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSBE0-z1i2o

Sir Arthur Daley · 25-09-2014 11:42PM

Would i get a good winter sun deal here?

Witcher · 25-09-2014 11:54PM

c_man wrote: »

Imagine this guy going around your neighbour! Ah the lads in the states, some craic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSBE0-z1i2o

At least he's being safe with it, hasn't even got a magazine in the rifle and has the bolt open.

Pretty sure those are AR15 mags at 0:49, dunno what he's carry those around for.

kneemos · 25-09-2014 11:55PM

c_man wrote: »

Imagine this guy going around your neighbour! Ah the lads in the states, some craic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSBE0-z1i2o

Walnut Creek rings a bell,either The Waltons or Little House on the Prairie.

c_man · 26-09-2014 12:01AM

In fairness, he's doing his part for the pro-second amendment cause. If I lived in the States, in that neighbourhood with him doing his walks in body armour, armed with knives and a rifle, well I'd probably buy my own gun tbh.

Manic Moran · 26-09-2014 01:32AM

krudler wrote: »

That's fcuked up, asks to see the guy's license, shoots him when he turns to get it.

Definitely some learning points there. He should have been a little more specific about the steps. "Where is your license? Slowly retrieve it" etc.

That said, there have been a spate of officers ambushed and killed in the US the last month (The exact number is 8 killed by gunfire), including a couple at traffic stops (one of the more publicised ones was a police chief), it doubtless had an effect on the trooper's thinking. If you look at it from the tactical point of view, the guy turned away, turns back quickly and has his hands close to his chest. If he was getting a weapon, it's exactly how he would have moved. He was probably expecting the guy to have his license in his pocket or glove compartment, and what actually happened didn't fit his expectation.

No two ways it's not the fault of the officer, but it is understandable if not particularly excusable.

Reindeer · 26-09-2014 09:15AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Definitely some learning points there. He should have been a little more specific about the steps. "Where is your license? Slowly retrieve it" etc.

That said, there have been a spate of officers ambushed and killed in the US the last month (The exact number is 8 killed by gunfire), including a couple at traffic stops (one of the more publicised ones was a police chief), it doubtless had an effect on the trooper's thinking. If you look at it from the tactical point of view, the guy turned away, turns back quickly and has his hands close to his chest. If he was getting a weapon, it's exactly how he would have moved. He was probably expecting the guy to have his license in his pocket or glove compartment, and what actually happened didn't fit his expectation.

No two ways it's not the fault of the officer, but it is understandable if not particularly excusable.

The officer shot a man for doing exactly what the officer asked him to do. It is 100% the fault of the officer.

Tabnabs · 26-09-2014 09:21AM

And just sometimes, the good guys win

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/09/03/12-news-homeowner-shoots-intruder-on-911-audio/14989333/

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24857098/home-intruder-shot-dead-despite-several-warnings-from-homeowner

http://www.omaha.com/news/metro/man-is-nd-intruder-to-be-shot-killed-by-a/article_f2cff22c-3765-11e4-b29e-0017a43b2370.html

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/21237261/homeowner-kills-intruder-in-oak-cliff-home

Egginacup · 26-09-2014 09:49AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

What a shower of useless brain-dead Muppets the American police appear to be!

Shooting a person for not wearing their seat belt, Whatever next? will they shoot children for decaying their own teeth by eating sweets?

It is never a white person that gets shot!

A black male gets shot dead by US cops or vigilantes every 28 hours. The cops there are pricks. Watch what they do to a pregnant woman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3bOm8BKmQI

Egginacup · 26-09-2014 09:52AM

[QUOTE=Manic Moran;92357592]Definitely some learning points there. He should have been a little more specific about the steps. "Where is your license? Slowly retrieve it" etc.

That said, there have been a spate of officers ambushed and killed in the US the last month (The exact number is 8 killed by gunfire), including a couple at traffic stops (one of the more publicised ones was a police chief), it doubtless had an effect on the trooper's thinking. If you look at it from the tactical point of view, the guy turned away, turns back quickly and has his hands close to his chest. If he was getting a weapon, it's exactly how he would have moved. He was probably expecting the guy to have his license in his pocket or glove compartment, and what actually happened didn't fit his expectation.

No two ways it's not the fault of the officer, but it is understandable if not particularly excusable.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, ok :rolleyes:

Akrasia · 26-09-2014 09:56AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Definitely some learning points there. He should have been a little more specific about the steps. "Where is your license? Slowly retrieve it" etc.

That said, there have been a spate of officers ambushed and killed in the US the last month (The exact number is 8 killed by gunfire), including a couple at traffic stops (one of the more publicised ones was a police chief), it doubtless had an effect on the trooper's thinking. If you look at it from the tactical point of view, the guy turned away, turns back quickly and has his hands close to his chest. If he was getting a weapon, it's exactly how he would have moved. He was probably expecting the guy to have his license in his pocket or glove compartment, and what actually happened didn't fit his expectation.

No two ways it's not the fault of the officer, but it is understandable if not particularly excusable.

Are you taking the piss???

The guy turns back 'quickly' because the cop was shouting at him to get out of the car and firing his gun at him 3 or 4 times! That cop could have killed the man. it was insane!

Manic Moran · 26-09-2014 05:35PM

No, I'm not taking the piss. There were a chain of events which the officer started which, unfortunately, also could match a threat. The officer isn't as much to blame for shooting as he is for starting the chain and creating the apparent threat to begin with. I think we all agree that the officer screwed up and the victim is blameless.

A black male gets shot dead by US cops or vigilantes every 28 hours. The cops there are pricks. Watch what they do to a pregnant woman:

Assuming the figures here are generally correct...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464

A black male is killed by a black person every hour and a half. Blacks are obviously even worse pricks. Or, perhaps, both your statement and mine are completely pointless absent further information. As to the pregnant woman, maybe she shouldn't have struggled and it's not as if they beat her up. I'm not sure quite how well the foetus would respond to being tased, for example.

end of the road · 26-09-2014 08:24PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, I'm not taking the piss. There were a chain of events which the officer started which, unfortunately, also could match a threat. The officer isn't as much to blame for shooting as he is for starting the chain and creating the apparent threat to begin with. I think we all agree that the officer screwed up and the victim is blameless.

Assuming the figures here are generally correct...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464

A black male is killed by a black person every hour and a half. Blacks are obviously even worse pricks. Or, perhaps, both your statement and mine are completely pointless absent further information. As to the pregnant woman, maybe she shouldn't have struggled and it's not as if they beat her up. I'm not sure quite how well the foetus would respond to being tased, for example.

they beat her into the ground within an inch of her life and enjoyed every minute of it. wouldn't expect anything less from the trash that are allowed into the police force over there. no quality control at all

donvito99 · 27-09-2014 12:34AM

end of the road wrote: »

no quality control at all

I doubt that very much.

The Dagda · 27-09-2014 12:43AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Definitely some learning points there. He should have been a little more specific about the steps. "Where is your license? Slowly retrieve it" etc.
If
That said, there have been a spate of officers ambushed and killed in the US the last month (The exact number is 8 killed by gunfire), including a couple at traffic stops (one of the more publicised ones was a police chief), it doubtless had an effect on the trooper's thinking. If you look at it from the tactical point of view, the guy turned away, turns back quickly and has his hands close to his chest. If he was getting a weapon, it's exactly how he would have moved. He was probably expecting the guy to have his license in his pocket or glove compartment, and what actually happened didn't fit his expectation.

No two ways it's not the fault of the officer, but it is understandable if not particularly excusable.

Gun toting American defends a gun toting American. How surprising?!

Do you think the recent "spate" of police being shot has anything to do with the repeated acts of violence committed against civilians by the police?

"Learning points"? :rolleyes:

Witcher · 27-09-2014 12:45AM

The Dagda wrote: »

Gun toting American defends a gun toting American. How surprising?!

Manic is Irish.

The Dagda · 27-09-2014 12:51AM

Blay wrote: »

Manic is Irish.

Many claim to be.

Canis Lupus · 27-09-2014 01:01AM

To be fair Manic has a point. You only need to look at a few videos online of cops getting shot and they look quite similar to how the guy went into his car.

Lets not forget this is America, cops get shot there all the time.

The Dagda · 27-09-2014 01:09AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

To be fair Manic has a point. You only need to look at a few videos online of cops getting shot and they look quite similar to how the guy went into his car.

Lets not forget this is America, cops get shot there all the time.

He doesn't have any point. He's just blindly defending another gun happy yank.

How many people do police in America kill every year?

No one knows because there's no official tracking of the numbers.

There's around 17,000 law enforcement agencies in the US and one survey of only 750 of those showed 400 fatal shootings by police of civilians.

If you extrapolate those figures to the full 17,000 that would mean approx 9,000 shootings.

Which is nearly 800 shootings per month as against Moran's "spate" of 8 police being shot recently.

Reindeer · 27-09-2014 05:32AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, I'm not taking the piss. There were a chain of events which the officer started which, unfortunately, also could match a threat. The officer isn't as much to blame for shooting as he is for starting the chain and creating the apparent threat to begin with. I think we all agree that the officer screwed up and the victim is blameless.

The officer deserves every bit of blame for that shooting. It is nearly 1st degree murder. He did not wait to see if the man was armed before he shot him, and he purposefully set those chain of events in motion. If I were a citizen in Texas of all places(and I am), and it were me instead of the officer on that dash cam, I would be going to jail for murder.

And that, my friend, is one of the main reasons Americans do not stand behind their police much any more. In fact, when I see yet another officer shot in the line of duty, I often wonder if he had it coming. And I am most certainly not alone in this regard as an American.

Manic Moran · 27-09-2014 08:51PM

The Dagda wrote: »

Do you think the recent "spate" of police being shot has anything to do with the repeated acts of violence committed against civilians by the police?

No, I don't.

And police are civilians. Unless they're military police, in which case, they're not :P (I don't care what some recent dictionaries say, the historical and legal definition of the word separates military from civil)

The Dagda · 27-09-2014 09:10PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, I don't.

And police are civilians. Unless they're military police, in which case, they're not :P (I don't care what some recent dictionaries say, the historical and legal definition of the word separates military from civil)

The police are not civilians.

Your only reply to the thread is a ridiculous dispute over the language used?!!!

Ok mtm :rolleyes:

Manic Moran · 27-09-2014 11:02PM

I think this is now my fourth post on this thread?

The Dagda · 27-09-2014 11:09PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I think this is now my fourth post on this thread?

3 of them were typically ignorant yank rhetoric.

Why do American cops kill so many innocent American civilians?

Gatling · 27-09-2014 11:10PM

So a cop is to wait to see if a suspect is armed befored drawing his own weapon ,

Greeting mr bad guy can i see your licence ,registration please and while your there give us a look at the 357 and sawn off shot gun sitting on your lap,
Mr bad guy do mind if draw my 9mm just in case we are playing who can shoot first ,

Haven't had a 'guns+Murica' thread in a while

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