Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says

26-09-2014 02:18PM #1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11119062/Incest-a-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

:eek:

WinnyThePoo · 26-09-2014 02:20PM

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/infinite-yes-daniel-bryan.gif

YES!

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-09-2014 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11119062/Incest-a-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

:eek:

A certain Mr Head will be quite pleased to hear this methinks.

26-09-2014 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11119062/Incest-a-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

:eek:

Have you anything to actually add to the OP or are you just going to dump that link there?

wazky · 26-09-2014 02:23PM

Awful!

*off to ride the sister*

P_1 · 26-09-2014 02:23PM

Well if no children result from the relationship and both parties to it are consenting adults, then where's the harm?

Gatling · 26-09-2014 02:24PM

Consenting adults why not .

RobbingBandit · 26-09-2014 02:24PM

Now to marry my cousin and get me to Berlin.

Chips Lovell · 26-09-2014 02:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you anything to actually add to the OP or are you just going to dump that link there?

Ah here. He put in the "shocked" smiley face too.

Peist2007 · 26-09-2014 02:24PM

Anyone else notice how prevalent incest is on the main page of major porn websites? You would think that most people would be disgusted by that sort of stuff yet the amount of videos of incest or acted incest is unreal. Has to be a lot more popular than you think

iDave · 26-09-2014 02:25PM

A sudden exodus of people from Connacht and Munster to Germany ensues

suicide_circus · 26-09-2014 02:25PM

I've often said, if other let's say "non traditional" relationships are A-OK nowadays, I struggle to see the logical objection to incest.
Two consenting adults etc

26-09-2014 02:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you anything to actually add to the OP or are you just going to dump that link there?

i really tried to think of something to say but my mind was blank how does one reply to something like this

Peist2007 · 26-09-2014 02:31PM

iDave wrote: »

A sudden exodus of people from Connacht and Munster to Germany ensues

That would be a disaster for Dublin. Who would do all the work?

26-09-2014 02:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

i really tried to think of something to say but my mind was blank how does one reply to something like this

How do you expect "one" to reply to your thread if you don't think it can be replied to??

Just to remind you, you've been banned from starting threads in the past. And banned from the forum for posting threads with absolutely no discussion.

So, please make your next post your opinion on the issue.

Philo Beddoe · 26-09-2014 02:35PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

That would be a disaster for Dublin. Who would do all the work?

I will.

Birneybau · 26-09-2014 02:36PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I've often said, if other let's say "non traditional" relationships are A-OK nowadays, I struggle to see the logical objection to incest.
Two consenting adults etc

Incest can result in seriously deformed kids, that's why it's frowned upon.

P_1 · 26-09-2014 02:37PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I've often said, if other let's say "non traditional" relationships are A-OK nowadays, I struggle to see the logical objection to incest.
Two consenting adults etc

Well societal conventions aside the only thing that people can object to about incestuous relationships is the potential health effects that it can cause for any children that arise from the relationship.

who_me · 26-09-2014 02:37PM

iDave wrote: »

A sudden exodus of people from Connacht and Munster to Germany ensues

There is also a Munster in Germany. Coincidence? I think not...

dashcamdanny · 26-09-2014 02:48PM

The horror of it is up there with disembowelment.

nozzferrahhtoo · 26-09-2014 02:48PM

Birneybau wrote: »

Incest can result in seriously deformed kids, that's why it's frowned upon.

P_1 wrote: »

Well if no children result from the relationship and both parties to it are consenting adults, then where's the harm?

Actually even with children it is hard to know "Whats the harm". There is a common myth about incest that it "causes" genetic defects in Children but this is simply not true.

But yes, it is funny that people against the idea of adult consensual incest will often cite the children thing as their reason. Yet if you tell them "ok what if the two are entirely sterile is it now ok?" they still say no.

Which tells me one thing only: The reasons they are giving for being against incest.... are not their actual reasons. But reasons they cherry picked retrospectively to justify the position they already hold.

I myself struggle to understand if there are even arguments against incest at all that are valid. Assuming of course consensual adults. Alas "incest" is an umbrella term for many things, many of which have their own demerits that damn them. So one needs to make that clarification clear. Though even having made it I expect we will see all kinds of "Father with his kiddie daugther" type comments coming up in the thread.

MarkR · 26-09-2014 02:50PM

P_1 wrote: »

Well societal conventions aside the only thing that people can object to about incestuous relationships is the potential health effects that it can cause for any children that arise from the relationship.

I had a dose of the heebie jeebies reading the title, but it's hard to get away from the logic. The law is based on the presumption that we are protecting against the increased likelihoodof genetic abnormalities. That's a good reason, but if a couple who aren't brother and sister are predisposed to genetic abnormalities, they wouldn't be criminalized for having kids.

Karl Stein · 26-09-2014 02:55PM

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo" the German Ethics Council said in a statement. "The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family".

telegraph.co.uk

Awful stuff altogether.

nelly17 · 26-09-2014 02:56PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Actually even with children it is hard to know "Whats the harm". There is a common myth about incest that it "causes" genetic defects in Children but this is simply not true.

But yes, it is funny that people against the idea of adult consensual incest will often cite the children thing as their reason. Yet if you tell them "ok what if the two are entirely sterile is it now ok?" they still say no.

Which tells me one thing only: The reasons they are giving for being against incest.... are not their actual reasons. But reasons they cherry picked retrospectively to justify the position they already hold.

I myself struggle to understand if there are even arguments against incest at all that are valid. Assuming of course consensual adults. Alas "incest" is an umbrella term for many things, many of which have their own demerits that damn them. So one needs to make that clarification clear. Though even having made it I expect we will see all kinds of "Father with his kiddie daugther" type comments coming up in the thread.

In fact its estimated that we are all descendant of a population of some 150K people with the rest of the population having been wiped out by some disease or other I'll try and find a link

Pat Mustard · 26-09-2014 02:59PM

dashcamdanny wrote: »

The horror of it is up there with disembowelment.

Ah, Germany is going all Game of Thrones on us.

They'll be looking for that money back that they lent us next.

Nodin · 26-09-2014 03:01PM

Very surprised. I fully expected there to be references to Wicklow within the first 10 posts.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-09-2014 03:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

Very surprised. I fully expected there to be references to Wicklow within the first 10 posts.

Or the 'hill people' residing in the Slieve Blooms.

suicide_circus · 26-09-2014 03:06PM

P_1 wrote: »

Well societal conventions aside the only thing that people can object to about incestuous relationships is the potential health effects that it can cause for any children that arise from the relationship.

Sure they can just be aborted?

preston johnny · 26-09-2014 03:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

Very surprised. I fully expected there to be references to Wicklow within the first 10 posts.

A couple were caught having sex in broad daylight on a park bench in Roundwood recently, one outraged local resident said 'This is absolutely disgusting, they weren't even related'

whupdedo · 26-09-2014 03:06PM

Incest..........

A game for all the family :pac:

Slot Machine · 26-09-2014 03:12PM

Birneybau wrote: »

Incest can result in seriously deformed kids, that's why it's frowned upon.

Within the first generation? Unlikely. It's only after you've had generations of it that you'll begin to see a real rise in the risks.

Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says

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