Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

I am pie · 22-09-2014 02:20PM

Pirlo is a more subtle football than Gerrard every was. He is less spectacular and more intelligent in defence and attack. It's great to press the ball and push forward, but there are definitely times, especially with an unesttled nervy defence, when the best thing to do would be to be compact in our own half and be hard to play through. Someone on the pitch needs to read the game well enough to direct the players. Gerrard looks physically and emotionally wrecked. I dont believe he has got over "slipgate", a rubbish world cup and resigning as England captain and leaving the team. He's a moody fcker, and I would like to see him get some time to get his head together.

Lucas is just a busted flush unfortunately, never adapted to Rogers system, doesnt look fit or able.

Agent Coulson · 22-09-2014 02:42PM

Daniel Agger: I left Liverpool because of Brendan Rodgers.

"Let me put it this way, me and the manager were perhaps not on the same page last season. For most the season at least," says Daniel Agger in an exclusive interview with TV3 SPORT.
"He and I maybe went wrong with each other because I am very direct. I say things as they are, so I expect people will be the same to me. Maybe it's wrong to expect this sometimes."

“When you are a part of the starting eleven for several games in a row and the team have performed well, and you feel that you have played well, weren’t used more often.” “Then at the same time you see the statistics from your game - which are so important all around the world of football- and you don’t understand why you weren’t used more often.”

"I think he is an incredibly talented manager. You can't take that away from him. He's good in the way he trains and he is clever in the way he sets the team up. He's an extremely, extremely competent coach."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11112829/Agger-I-left-Liverpool-because-of-Rodgers.html

That last bit seems like a big dig a Rodgers to me nothing more than a competent coach.

22-09-2014 02:49PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

My team for tomorrow
Mignolet
Manquillo---Lovren-Sakho--Enrique
Lucas---Rossiter
Lallana----
Markovic
Borini--Lambert

Jones, Stewart, Toure, Gerrard, Hendo, Ojo, Balotelli.

This is your best lineout tomorrow except one thing. Where's Sterling & Henderson? Injured?

Even though Liverpool really do need to drop Gerrard, Rodgers will play him regardless.

A passenger for Liverpool.

Demosthenese · 22-09-2014 02:51PM

BenEadir wrote: »

^^^ +1 for this plus Pirlo is playing in the oohhh sooooo slooowww Italian league. I don't think Pirlo would be anywhere near as effective if he was playing PL week in week out. Sure he helped destroy Roy's England in the Summer but that was a once off. PL teams press the ball much more aggressively than Italian club sides typically do and certainly more than England under Roy do. After a few weeks in the PL teams would know how to cut the supply to him plus he'd be man marked just like Stevie is being and just like any 34/35/36 year old he too simply wouldn't have the legs to deal with it.

Gerard is played in a deep role to get us out of the backline without any fuss. To make a range of passes to set our counterattack up with speed. Thereafter, to be the deep lying defensive player. To not allow anyone get at the backline with ease, to cover the ground between the backs and the mids ... it couldn't be any further from what Pirlo does!

Pirlo was good against England cos they stood off him, Costa Rica destroyed him imagine what the Pl would do. Not even a contest.

Unfortunately Gerard seems to be suffering a serious hangover from the end of the PL and WC coupled with Brendans lack of shape across the midfield. It doesn't bode well for Stevie at the moment.

Regardless of which its only a few weeks since we stuffed Spurs so i'd be more focussed on getting back to that rather than our deficiencies.

Agent Coulson · 22-09-2014 02:51PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

This is your best lineout tomorrow except one thing. Where's Sterling & Henderson? Injured?

They seeing what it's like sitting in on a tuesday night watching Eastenders this season.

ebbsy · 22-09-2014 02:52PM

Liverpool should have made a serious push for Lopez. What we have now is a goalkeeper that is afraid of getting hurt. No use.

22-09-2014 02:52PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They seeing what it's like sitting in on a tuesday night watching Eastenders this season.

"Great banter" :rolleyes:

It was a genuine question

noodler · 22-09-2014 02:52PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Daniel Agger: I left Liverpool because of Brendan Rodgers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11112829/Agger-I-left-Liverpool-because-of-Rodgers.html

That last bit seems like a big dig a Rodgers to me nothing more than a competent coach.

I personally would take less umbrage at the use of the word from a non-English speaking native. Have always felt the word only has negative undertones in the mother tongue.

Agent Coulson · 22-09-2014 02:58PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

"Great banter" :rolleyes:

It was a genuine question

You know all about "Great banter" M!Ck^ :rolleyes:

It was a genuine answer they need to be rested as well.

22-09-2014 03:03PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

You know all about "Great banter" M!Ck^ :rolleyes:

It was a genuine answer they need to be rested as well.

Thanks for the actual genuine answer.

Your back four is under pressure to put on a good show tomorrow, I can still see some mistakes being made regardless of it being Middlesbrough. Would be surprised if you kept a clean sheet.

Not sure where the creativity comes from when Sterling is not playing. Lallanna has been poor so far.

kfallon · 22-09-2014 03:05PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Lallanna has been poor so far.

Played 60 mins and 45 mins and actually did well on Saturday!

22-09-2014 03:07PM

kfallon wrote: »

Played 60 mins and 45 mins and actually did well on Saturday!

Did well as in what exactly on Saturday? Assist? link-up play? Chance Creation?

kfallon · 22-09-2014 03:09PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Did well as in what exactly on Saturday? Assist? link-up play? Chance Creation?

Linked up well, was busy enough! Was a major improvement over Lucas whom he replaced. Brought a bit of energy to the team.

22-09-2014 03:10PM

kfallon wrote: »

Linked up well, was busy enough! Was a major improvement over Lucas whom he replaced. Brought a bit of energy to the team.

Anyone is an improvement over Lucas to be honest. You need a lot more than energy for someone supposedly worth 20+ million.

Grayditch · 22-09-2014 03:11PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

You know all about "Great banter" M!Ck^ :rolleyes:

If only.

22-09-2014 03:11PM

Grayditch wrote: »

If only.

Great banter

kfallon · 22-09-2014 03:13PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Anyone is an improvement over Lucas to be honest. You need a lot more than energy for someone supposedly worth 20+ million.

He's coming back off an imjury, hence why he only played a half!
But obviously you are judging a guy who missed some of pre season on two games (none of which he completed as he's trying to find match fitness)

You couldn't make it up! :rolleyes:

Demosthenese · 22-09-2014 03:13PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Did well as in what exactly on Saturday? Assist? link-up play? Chance Creation?

Looked lively, almost scored but got caught under his feet, linked well for what possession we actually had and got another 60mins under his belt as he is sure to be a guy that will be a first team player for the season once he gets fully match fit. He is calm in possession and has 2 good feet. Rarely dispossessed.

... could serious look at the whole team after a display like that and say "have been poor" ... but you need to be prepared to give lads a chance to prove themselves. Not quite ready to throw Lallana on the scrapheap after 100 mins of football.

MR NINE · 22-09-2014 03:13PM

Id imagine tomorrow will be used to give new players more experience. I doubt rodgers really cares about the league cup this season given we have bigger fish to fry and already appear to be struggling somewhat to cope with the demands of two major competitions. I expect all of lambert, borini, lallana, markovic, manquillo, moreno, lovren and sakho to play. Lucas and henderson probably the other two simply because we dont have anyone else for centre mid. The full backs might be rested, but id rather see more game time for the back four to play along side each other. Losing tommorrow would of course be a blow to morale and confidence since it would be three defeats on the trot, but i wont be too disheartened if we field a weakened team and lose, id rather that than see us field a full strength team and win. Getting a result on sunday is far more important than any result tomorrow.

22-09-2014 03:14PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Looked lively, almost scored but got caught under his feet, linked well for what possession we actually had and got another 60mins under his belt as he is sure to be a guy that will be a first team player for the season once he gets fully match fit. He is calm in possession and has 2 good feet. Rarely dispossessed.

... could serious look at the whole team after a display like that and say "have been poor" ... but you need to be prepared to give lads a chance to prove themselves. Not quite ready to throw Lallana on the scrapheap after 100 mins of football.

Fair point. He does needs more time to be judged. I'm just basing it on what I have watched of him so far.

MR NINE · 22-09-2014 03:15PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Anyone is an improvement over Lucas to be honest. You need a lot more than energy for someone supposedly worth 20+ million.

Yeah he hasnt scored enough goals yet, we should probably cut our losses and ship him out, cant see it turning around for him

dogbert27 · 22-09-2014 03:19PM

MR NINE wrote: »

Id imagine tomorrow will be used to give new players more experience. I doubt rodgers really cares about the league cup this season given we have bigger fish to fry and already appear to be struggling somewhat to cope with the demands of two major competitions. I expect all of lambert, borini, lallana, markovic, manquillo, moreno, lovren and sakho to play. Lucas and henderson probably the other two simply because we dont have anyone else for centre mid. The full backs might be rested, but id rather see more game time for the back four to play along side each other. Losing tommorrow would of course be a blow to morale and confidence since it would be three defeats on the trot, but i wont be too disheartened if we field a weakened team and lose, id rather that than see us field a full strength team and win. Getting a result on sunday is far more important than any result tomorrow.

Rodgers said before the season that this year he has to win a cup. Realistically it's either the League Cup or the FA Cup.

I'd be surprised if he took tomorrow night lightly.

Demosthenese · 22-09-2014 03:21PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Fair point. He does needs more time to be judged. I'm just basing it on what I have watched of him so far.

I think everyone is looking at Liverpools new guys, Lallana/Ballo/Marko/Lovren and saying the same thing! Of course, Liverpool supporters want them to succeed whereas everyone else wants them to do a Spurs ... for now though, i'd have a little more faith in Lallana being a hit purely cos we seen alot more of him last season ... probably same for Lovren. The others really have it all to prove over the next 5-6 games.

That said, always easier to "gel" into a team that is on a good run! Liverpool are vulnerable at the moment and with a Derby this week ... it could be a bad time to lose another game but more so to perform as badly.

Time to answer the critics.

MR NINE · 22-09-2014 03:23PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Rodgers said before the season that this year he has to win a cup. Realistically it's either the League Cup or the FA Cup.

I'd be surprised if he took tomorrow night lightly.

I wasnt aware of that, sounds like hell be taking it seriously so. Im not saying i dont want us to try and win but certain players deffo shouldnt be involved, namely gerrard. I would also be a bit peeved if sterling starts after he was rested in a league game last week, though perhaps rodgers had reasons for that im not aware of. Was there any explanation given for coutinhos absence this weekend?

DVDM93 · 22-09-2014 03:27PM

GavRedKing wrote: »

We've a bus that shouldnt see much mileage this year if ye want a loan of it? Does the job well actually.

Make sure ye don't overfill it with oil this time, Gerrard slipped on it last time out.

Ouch, that felt like punching myself in the face

DVDM93 · 22-09-2014 03:30PM

gafferino wrote: »

Is there a presser today for tomorrows game?

Bad week for a midweek game imo. No time to work on whats going wrong.

Nothing a game of head tennis can't fix.

Mr_Red · 22-09-2014 03:31PM

Who ever thought both our teams who go full retard in the same season.

MD1990 · 22-09-2014 04:37PM

No post in a hour? A lacklustre Monday Meltdown.

Charlie19 · 22-09-2014 04:55PM

Daniel Agger speaks out on leaving Liverpool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRhXrhBgaQM

And for those of you that don'y speak Danish;)

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/09/brendan-rodgers-didnt-appreciate-qualities-daniel-agger-speaks-liverpool-departure/

This paragraph really sums up Aggers loyalty.

“At least I have learned a lot from last year. I have learned that a lot of players in the world of football only think of what is best for themselves. I haven’t done that for the biggest part in my career. But with all that has been said and done and understand why players think think this way, even though it has been something I couldn’t relate to in the past. It has been an eye opener.”

~Rebel~ · 22-09-2014 05:15PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Daniel Agger: I left Liverpool because of Brendan Rodgers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/11112829/Agger-I-left-Liverpool-because-of-Rodgers.html

That last bit seems like a big dig a Rodgers to me nothing more than a competent coach.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be too quick to judge things based on someone elses translation. The interview wasn't given in English, so the language of the translation is completely open to interpretation. In context, the word "competent" doesn't really fit there, so personally i'd say it's not worth reading into. Particularly since you can see from the headline that the piece is extremely sensationalistic and biased.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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