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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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  • #4232
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    gafferino wrote: »
    Is there a presser today for tomorrows game?

    Bad week for a midweek game imo. No time to work on whats going wrong.

    5pm this evening.

    http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/171134-free-at-5pm-bst-boss-boro-preview


  • #4233
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Along with Dele Alli it looks like we are scouting Real Madrid's 18 year old Jack Harper.

    http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/liverpool-man-city-scouting-real-madrid-striker-jack-harper-4041102?utm_source=main_feed#.VB_-yvldXK0

    As much as I like seeing us linked to good young players I think now is the the time to be buying experienced players.


  • #4234
    NyOmnishambles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭NyOmnishambles


    This quote from the F365 winners and losers column pretty much sums things up from the weekend

    "Liverpool's defensive ineptitude was horribly exposed, like a hideous creature born in a laboratory and brought into daylight for the first time, shrieking and soiling itself"

    I know we have a few games before it but the thoughts of playing Real Madrid soon is horrifying


  • #4235
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,905 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    NyOmnishambles wrote: »
    This quote from the F365 winners and losers column pretty much sums things up from the weekend

    "Liverpool's defensive ineptitude was horribly exposed, like a hideous creature born in a laboratory and brought into daylight for the first time, shrieking and soiling itself"

    I know we have a few games before it but the thoughts of playing Real Madrid soon is horrifying

    Maybe we could go with the 11 men on the goal line tactic! :pac:


  • #4236
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,182 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Expecting a big reaction against Everton, and to be honest there is probably no better game to go into next after the last 2 games. With Sturridge back hopefully our season can kick on with a convincing win.


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  • #4237
    gafferino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino


    rob316 wrote: »
    Expecting a big reaction against Everton, and to be honest there is probably no better game to go into next after the last 2 games. With Sturridge back hopefully our season can kick on with a convincing win.

    Has there been anything more on Sturridge? Probably come up tonight in the presser im sure.


  • #4238
    gafferino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino


    Im not sure where the original interview was (cant find it in English anyway) or even if its all in this report so could have been more said:

    Agger told Ekstra Bladet: “Let me put it this way, me and the manager were perhaps not on the same page last season. For most of the season at least.

    The central defender continued: “He [Rodgers] and I maybe went wrong with each other because I am very direct. I say things as they are, so I expect people will be the same to me. Maybe it’s wrong to expect this sometimes. There was much (distance) between us, and for me it was just not enough. I felt that he didn’t appreciate the things I could do and contributed. When I feel that, then it’s time to move on.”

    Agger continued: “When you are a part of the starting eleven for several games in a row and the team have performed well, and you feel that you have played well, then you are left out of the team and don’t feel appreciated, it starts to pray on your mind and you wonder. Then at the same time you see the statistics from your game – which are so important nowadays all around the world of football- and you don’t understand why you weren’t used more often.”

    Despite all he said above, Agger did have some words of praise for Brendan Rodgers: “I think he is an incredibly talented manager. You can’t take that away from him. He’s good in the way he trains and he is clever in the way he sets the team up. He’s an extremely, extremely competent coach. The things that went wrong between us happened and I expect others to treat me directly. Maybe it is wrong to always expect this.”

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/dan-agger-i-left-liverpool-due-to-breakdown-of-relations-with-brendan-rodgers-ekstra-bladet/?


  • #4239
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Saying nobody trusts Gerrard is wrong.

    The manager does for a start.

    He's far from perfect in that position but put the correct players in beside him and he'll be fine. Didn't see anyone moaning after Christmas last season, or the season before.

    Rodgers is defensively naive. Nothing has changed in that respect since he arrived. He has Suarez and Sturridge last season banging them in. This season the goals aren't flowing, but we are still leaking them.


    That's because Suarez and Sturridge were banging them in last season so no cared.


  • #4240
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    NyOmnishambles wrote: »
    This quote from the F365 winners and losers column pretty much sums things up from the weekend

    "Liverpool's defensive ineptitude was horribly exposed, like a hideous creature born in a laboratory and brought into daylight for the first time, shrieking and soiling itself"

    I know we have a few games before it but the thoughts of playing Real Madrid soon is horrifying

    Unless we have an absolute renaissance with our defence, I think i will give the match a watch from behind my couch.


  • #4241
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    what is going wrong is very simple.

    the defensive structure has not been fixed, but we're not scoring as many as last year. we have a goalkeeper who instills no confidence in his defence, and we have no organisation at set-pieces. nobody is leading, and nobody seems to know what they should be doing.

    for the structure we have to work, we need 2 Hendersons. we also need a somewhat mobile Gerrard, who can cover when our full-backs bomb on.

    our CBs are getting dragged all over the place because they are having to cover our full backs, because our midfield is providing little or nothing when our full-backs are gone. our CBs currently look terrible because they are having midfielders running at them constantly, with wingers who have a ton of space.

    Lovren, Sakho and Skrtel aren't bad players. our way of playing is killing them.

    our attack is toothless because Balotelli is different to both Sturridge and Suarez. he doesn't pull defenders all over the place. he doesn't run constantly. he's a strong, technically gifted footballer who is a target man for others to work off. that's not what our game last season was about. Suarez and Sturridge pulled teams everywhere, and Coutinho, Sterling, etc had a field day.

    we're more static in attack, are dispossessed a lot easier, and so the opposition has more opportunity to attack.

    i've said it before, but we'll be a different team with Sturridge back. him and Sterling will provide a ton of problem for defences to think about, and much more room for our midfield to be on the front foot. this is only a temporary fix though, and until we sort out our midfield structure when we defend, we will get picked off by teams.

    Henderson and Allen should play every important game IMO at the moment. it's our best chance of having some sort of shape.


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  • #4242
    locked 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭locked 1


    How long is emre can out for ???


  • #4243
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    locked 1 wrote: »
    How long is emre can out for ???

    Another month I think ?


  • #4244
    GavRedKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,267 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Maybe we could go with the 11 men on the goal line tactic! :pac:

    We've a bus that shouldnt see much mileage this year if ye want a loan of it? Does the job well actually. :D


  • #4245
    Kerrigooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Maybe we could go with the 11 men on the goal line tactic! :pac:

    I believe that tactic is called a #masterclass


  • #4246
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Liverpool are suffering from having no defensive cover, if Gerrard goes forward and pool are caught out then there's about 40 yards between the defense and midfield, having a one on one situation between a defender and attacker will have one out come if the attacker is anyway good.

    The gung ho approach will steam roll poor opposition but faced with better teams or a well organised team then it will be tough just like arsenal a few seasons ago.


    Defensive organisation is what pool need.
    greendom wrote: »
    And how will that improve Liverpool's defence ? Pure whataboutery

    I was just making the point that Arsenal are still as vulnerable now as they were a few seasons ago.

    It's got nothing to do with Liverpool.


  • #4247
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Anyone think Liverpool might persist with the three at the back for the game against Everton?

    We looked much better when we went to it.

    The Centre backs aren't as exposed, the full backs can push forward and Gerrard doesn't need to worry as much about people running past him.


  • #4248
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,331 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    My team for tomorrow
    Mignolet
    Manquillo---Lovren-Sakho--Enrique
    Lucas---Rossiter
    Lallana----
    Markovic
    Borini--Lambert

    Jones, Stewart, Toure, Gerrard, Hendo, Ojo, Balotelli.
    Sounds good to me. Give the central defence another run out, they desperately need it.


  • #4249
    Boom_Bap
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    Fescue wrote: »
    Anyone think Liverpool might persist with the three at the back for the game against Everton?

    We looked much better when we went to it.

    The Centre backs aren't as exposed, the full backs can push forward and Gerrard doesn't need to worry as much about people running past him.

    I think that is Rodgers preferred line up. But last year we got into trouble with it a couple of times because of too much space behind the wing backs. We have faster wing backs now, but we are already seeing them being exposed from the forays forward.
    If you heard Vardy's interview post Utd match, he basically said that he was intructed to get in behind the Utd full backs to cause damage, and it was pretty succesful for them.

    The way we play now with Gerrard, we essentially are doing it, and I like the way it works. With the changes in personnel, I think it will just take some time to gel.


  • #4250
    BoardsMember
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    Fescue wrote: »
    Anyone think Liverpool might persist with the three at the back for the game against Everton?

    We looked much better when we went to it.

    The Centre backs aren't as exposed, the full backs can push forward and Gerrard doesn't need to worry as much about people running past him.

    Is this really what the aim is? Surely a deep lying midfield player has to be responsible enough to worry about players running past him. What exactly is he doing there if he is not?


  • #4251
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I think that is Rodgers preferred line up. But last year we got into trouble with it a couple of times because of too much space behind the wing backs. We have faster wing backs now, but we are already seeing them being exposed from the forays forward.
    If you heard Vardy's interview post Utd match, he basically said that he was intructed to get in behind the Utd full backs to cause damage, and it was pretty succesful for them.

    The way we play now with Gerrard, we essentially are doing it, and I like the way it works. With the changes in personnel, I think it will just take some time to gel.

    As discussed earlier here but only when Can is fit, though Allen could fit in there (Lucas at a push if leaving Gerrard out, though obviously not against Everton!)


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  • #4252
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Is this really what the aim is? Surely a deep lying midfield player has to be responsible enough to worry about players running past him. What exactly is he doing there if he is not?

    Well Gerrard would play further forward and Lovren would be essentially where Gerrard is now.


  • #4253
    Boom_Bap
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    As discussed earlier here but only when Can is fit, though Allen could fit in there (Lucas at a push if leaving Gerrard out, though obviously not against Everton!)

    I defo think that's why we signed Can, as well as being a great DM he's solid in defence, and plays at left back and centre half for the U-21's.

    Lucas cant play that role, he prefers to nick a ball from the oppositions toes, or foul them.
    Allen would be a bit too lightweight to slot in as centre half.

    At the moment Gerrard is the perfect player for it, plus his distribution is pretty decent as well.


  • #4254
    Demosthenese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Demosthenese


    Alot of attention going to Gerard and the Defence in general - what we need is to have a midfield capable of bullying and dominating a game! Look at Chelsea/City yesterday - Liverpool are a million miles away from Fernandinho/Toure type of partnership - Teams are admitting they are not giving us time to settle and dominate the ball. Last season we had Hendo leading from the front and being the aggressor, then even Coutinho/Sterling closing down fast when not in possession - this season we are a soft touch in midfield and thats why our defence is becoming exposed. Playing Sterling/Coutinho/Lallana and co is all well and good provided we have the ball!

    Need to earn respect for the first 15mins of games, last season we were so fast out of the traps we blew teams away - other than Spurs we've simply not hit those same levels.


  • #4255
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,888 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Fescue wrote: »
    Well Gerrard would play further forward and Lovren would be essentially where Gerrard is now.

    Rodgers sees Gerrard as our Pirlo.

    we won't be seeing him any further forward than you see him now.

    the issue with Gerrard is simply that he shouldn't be playing so many games. he needs someone to rotate with. he was absolutely bolloxed at the weekend, and couldn't do any covering which he normally does.

    once more on the West Ham game, a huge problem was the fact that when the team hasn't the energy it normally has due to extra games, you need your defence to be reliable and help you get into the game. Mignolet was all over the place, and we couldn't mark properly at set-pieces.

    you look at Chelsea yesterday. they were pretty lethargic, and offered almost nothing going forward, yet they were solid and did the basics well to make sure they were always in the game.

    that is the difference I'm afraid. we weren't able to remain solid long enough to feel our way into it.


  • #4256
    gafferino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭gafferino


    SlickRic wrote: »
    Rodgers sees Gerrard as our Pirlo.

    we won't be seeing him any further forward than you see him now.

    the issue with Gerrard is simply that he shouldn't be playing so many games. he needs someone to rotate with. he was absolutely bolloxed at the weekend, and couldn't do any covering which he normally does.

    once more on the West Ham game, a huge problem was the fact that when the team hasn't the energy it normally has due to extra games, you need your defence to be reliable and help you get into the game. Mignolet was all over the place, and we couldn't mark properly at set-pieces.

    you look at Chelsea yesterday. they were pretty lethargic, and offered almost nothing going forward, yet they were solid and did the basics well to make sure they were always in the game.

    that is the difference I'm afraid. we weren't able to remain solid long enough to feel our way into it.

    I suspect he wasnt supposed to play the whole game but the formation change altered the strategy.

    Ill be f*cking astonished/fuming if he plays tomorrow night.


  • #4257
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    SlickRic wrote: »
    Rodgers sees Gerrard as our Pirlo.

    we won't be seeing him any further forward than you see him now.

    the issue with Gerrard is simply that he shouldn't be playing so many games. he needs someone to rotate with. he was absolutely bolloxed at the weekend, and couldn't do any covering which he normally does.

    once more on the West Ham game, a huge problem was the fact that when the team hasn't the energy it normally has due to extra games, you need your defence to be reliable and help you get into the game. Mignolet was all over the place, and we couldn't mark properly at set-pieces.

    you look at Chelsea yesterday. they were pretty lethargic, and offered almost nothing going forward, yet they were solid and did the basics well to make sure they were always in the game.

    that is the difference I'm afraid. we weren't able to remain solid long enough to feel our way into it.

    It was your post earlier on the page that got me thinking actually. The way the manager asks his central defenders to split, it does leave them exposed when we lose possession. Having three defenders at the back allows Sterling, Balotelli and Sturridge to play in their best positions while still retaining some defensive shape.

    Having our three most dangerous players in their best positions is key for us as an attacking force.

    With all due respect to Gerrard, he is being asked to play like Pirlo as you say, but he's not Pirlo. He doesn't have the subtley that Pirlo brings to the game. Essentially he's there for his long diagonal passes, something I think we need less of and something Lovren can do if required to some degree.


  • #4258
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Fescue wrote: »
    Eh, have you forgotten about Arsenal's performances against the top teams last season? A second string Dortmund could have beaten Arsenal by 6 or 7.
    Fescue wrote: »
    I was just making the point that Arsenal are still as vulnerable now as they were a few seasons ago.

    It's got nothing to do with Liverpool.


    I don't know about that. Your first post might have some merit but your second certainly doesn't.

    Last season Arsenal conceded 41 goals, 17 of them in three games, meaning 24 goals conceded in 35 games, pretty impressive other than those three games.

    Last season Liverpool conceded 50 goals, nine more than Arsenal, spread more evenly.

    On those bare stats, the two teams are completely different.

    Liverpool's scoring exploits last season masked a poor all-round defensive performance. This season, they appear to have lost the scoring ability (7 in 5 doesn't give much hope of 101 in 38 does it?) but the defensive performance hasn't changed much, if anything it has got worse (8 in 5 translates into 61 over the season).


  • #4259
    Fescue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Fescue


    Godge wrote: »
    I don't know about that. Your first post might have some merit but your second certainly doesn't.

    Last season Arsenal conceded 41 goals, 17 of them in three games, meaning 24 goals conceded in 35 games, pretty impressive other than those three games.

    Last season Liverpool conceded 50 goals, nine more than Arsenal, spread more evenly.

    On those bare stats, the two teams are completely different.

    Liverpool's scoring exploits last season masked a poor all-round defensive performance. This season, they appear to have lost the scoring ability (7 in 5 doesn't give much hope of 101 in 38 does it?) but the defensive performance hasn't changed much, if anything it has got worse (8 in 5 translates into 61 over the season).

    I think I have enough on my plate worrying about Liverpools defensive shortcomings without getting into Arsenals also.

    If you guys are happy with Arsenal defensively, then I'm pleased for you.


  • #4260
    BenEadir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭BenEadir


    Fescue wrote: »
    With all due respect to Gerrard, he is being asked to play like Pirlo as you say, but he's not Pirlo. He doesn't have the subtley that Pirlo brings to the game. Essentially he's there for his long diagonal passes, something I think we need less of and something Lovren can do if required to some degree.

    ^^^ +1 for this plus Pirlo is playing in the oohhh sooooo slooowww Italian league. I don't think Pirlo would be anywhere near as effective if he was playing PL week in week out. Sure he helped destroy Roy's England in the Summer but that was a once off. PL teams press the ball much more aggressively than Italian club sides typically do and certainly more than England under Roy do. After a few weeks in the PL teams would know how to cut the supply to him plus he'd be man marked just like Stevie is being and just like any 34/35/36 year old he too simply wouldn't have the legs to deal with it.


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  • #4261
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Fescue wrote: »
    I was just making the point that Arsenal are still as vulnerable now as they were a few seasons ago.

    It's got nothing to do with Liverpool.

    Apologies, missed that bit of the quote. I thought you brought up Arsenal as Oranage2 is an Arsenal supporter


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