Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Fescue · 20-09-2014 10:08AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Spurs he hadn't much to do, they offered nothing.

Villa, the whole team was poor. He should have booted the ball out for a throw but Lovren had a worse game and was at fault for the goal.

The other night he was ok only in another poor team performance.

The defensive unit is broken under Rodgers system. Obviously having so many new players will take time to settle. Anyone that can't grasp that needs to take a step back

So based on that does he deserve to keep his place ahead of Skrtel? Which I think is at the heart of the matter.

For me Skrtel is the better player. I think the consensus is that Sakho will drop to the bench if Skrtel is fit.

emo72 · 20-09-2014 10:10AM

We seem to be spending biggish money on CDs and still ending up with less than stellar performances. I thought the money spent on lovren and sakho would silver our problems.

Or is it down to games played together.

mosstin · 20-09-2014 10:13AM

Fescue wrote: »

So based on that does he deserve to keep his place ahead of Skrtel? Which I think is at the heart of the matter.

For me Skrtel is the better player. I think the consensus is that Sakho will drop to the bench if Skrtel is fit.

Neither would fill me with confidence. Skrtel's been around for a long time and still make too many errors to be considered trustworthy. Sakho looks equally error prone right now but surely we need to give him a run of games to see if he does indeed settle. I recall Vidic being very poor for Yernited in his first few games there.

20-09-2014 10:16AM

Fescue wrote: »

So based on that does he deserve to keep his place ahead of Skrtel? Which I think is at the heart of the matter.

For me Skrtel is the better player. I think the consensus is that Sakho will drop to the bench if Skrtel is fit.

Skrtel is the worst central defender of the 3 by a long shot imo. Was hoping he would be shipped out tbh.

Consensus by whom btw? You could be right but wondering who said it

T-K-O · 20-09-2014 10:20AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Skrtel is the worst central defender of the 3 by a long shot imo. Was hoping he would be shipped out tbh.

Consensus by whom btw? You could be right but wondering who said it

I think you need to take a step back.

We all wanted Sahko and then Lovern to come in and improve the back 4, unfortunately that hasn't materialised...yet.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2014 10:21AM

The problem with the Back 5 starts with Brendan Rodgers and how he coaches them.

It then moves on to each player starting Mignolet not being commanding in his box enough telling the CB's where he wants them.

The back 4 have only played 3 matches together the 2 fullbacks seem to have settled in ok so far.

The hardest partnership to build is of course the CB's both are used to playing a high pressing line which doesn't seem to be the way Brendan Rodgers wants to play at the moment as he want to play Gerrard as a deep lying midfielder which is new to both Lovren and Sakho and will probably take more than 3 games together for them to work out the kinks and get used to playing this system outside of training.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2014 10:22AM

T-K-O wrote: »

I think you need to take a step back.

We all wanted Sahko and then Lovern to come in and improve the back 4, unfortunately that hasn't materialised...yet.

They have had 3 games together that's all.. I think it will take a bit of time.

Fescue · 20-09-2014 10:24AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Skrtel is the worst central defender of the 3 by a long shot imo. Was hoping he would be shipped out tbh.

Consensus by whom btw? You could be right but wondering who said it

James Pearce is one.

Martin Skrtel is likely to replace Mamadou Sakho at the back, while Rodgers must decide whether to recall Lazar Markovic, who is available after being suspended for the win over Ludogorets.

20-09-2014 10:24AM

T-K-O wrote: »

I think you need to take a step back.

We all wanted Sahko and then Lovern to come in and improve the back 4, unfortunately that hasn't materialised...yet.

Don't think many will argue the defence isn't still broken

Fescue · 20-09-2014 10:26AM

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Someone who usually knows thinks Borini will start for Liverpool today

Lets hope he builds on his performance against Ludogorets.

20-09-2014 10:27AM

Fescue wrote: »

James Pearce is one.

Fair enough, wasn't aware he had access to the team sheet

T-K-O · 20-09-2014 10:27AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They have had 3 games together that's all I think it will take a bit of time.

True, there is no reason to think they won't come good but there is also no reason to write Skrtel off, in the hope that they will come good.

Fact of the matter is, we have spent a lot of money on CB's and to date, Sktrel is at least on par with the new guys.

T-K-O · 20-09-2014 10:29AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Don't think many will argue the defence isn't still broken

Individual errors at the back is a problem but defending as a team is the real issue.

Fescue · 20-09-2014 10:30AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Fair enough, wasn't aware he had access to the team sheet

Well we'll know at 4.30 or so. I think Skrtel will come back in for the reason that he is better than Sakho. Which is what you expect, the better players to be picked ahead of others.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2014 10:31AM

If we can get the CB's in sync like these two we should be fine.

mav79 · 20-09-2014 10:31AM

Based on the last three or four games Lovren deserves to be dropped before Sakho. Neither have had dominant, error free games but Lovren has been at fault for more of the goals conceded than Sakho, Skrtel is not going to rectify the problems in defence imo. The three of them are rash aggressive defenders.

20-09-2014 10:32AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They have had 3 games together that's all.. I think it will take a bit of time.

Exactly, they need time to form a partnership. Also throw two fullbacks into the equation not to mention a dithering goalkeeper.

Skrtel was ever present last season when we conceded mountains of goals. I certainly don't think he is the answer

20-09-2014 10:36AM

Fescue wrote: »

Well we'll know at 4.30 or so. I think Skrtel will come back in for the reason that he is better than Sakho. Which is what you expect, the better players to be picked ahead of others.

Not necessarily. Sterling wasn't picked last week

Rodgers could well rotate the 3 CB's this season with the CL.

Fescue · 20-09-2014 10:37AM

mav79 wrote: »

Based on the last three or four games Lovren deserves to be dropped before Sakho. Neither have had dominant, error free games but Lovren has been at fault for more of the goals conceded than Sakho, Skrtel is not going to rectify the problems in defence imo. The three of them are rash aggressive defenders.

I think Rodgers wants his defenders to be aggressive and proactive. Certainly thats how Skrtel and Lovren play. Manquillo and Moreno fit that mould. At the moment its not working too well but if Rodgers can get it to work as effectively as he transformed the attack we should be alright.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2014 10:40AM

People also need to look we are bedding 6 or 7 new players as well at the moment.

Moreno, Lovren, Manquillo, Balotelli, Markovic, Lallana & Can.

You then add in Sakho and Broini who have both played less than 20 games each for Liverpool.

That is 9 players with about 50 games between them it was never going to be an easy start to the season.

Agent Coulson · 20-09-2014 10:42AM

Fescue wrote: »

I think Rodgers wants his defenders to be aggressive and proactive. Certainly thats how Skrtel and Lovren play. Manquillo and Moreno fit that mould. At the moment its not working too well but if Rodgers can get it to work as effectively as he transformed the attack we should be alright.

With Gerrard sitting on top of them that is never going to happen.

NukaCola · 20-09-2014 10:54AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

"accident waiting to happen"

Lazy arm-chair analysis I've heard a few times lately

The thing with Arsenal is they try and walk the ball in.....

klose · 20-09-2014 10:55AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Do you think Sakho will be ditched? He looks like an accident waiting to happen at the moment but he has all the attributes and probably needs the game time if he's ever going to settle in this league. Different positions and all but De Gea was a laughing stock for a year at United, look at him now. I reckon he will be a very capable defender if given the backing and time.

Skrtel will be 30 soon and sakho is only 24 so i was hoping sakho would get an extended run of games but by all accounts skrtel will come back in today so i guess not, i think sakho has a very high ceiling and skrtel is what he is, a very large mixed bag.
I dont care who plays centre back as long as they cut out mistakes and keep it relatively tight but i dont see skrtel adding that, lovren has been pretty much involved in some way a good few goals already this year. Anyways, so long as gerrard is our deepest midfielder with offensive full backs we will never really know how good our centre backs can be.

God i forgot how bad the last 2 upton park games were, last season we needed 2 penos to win and the year before big joe cole scored the winner, adam morgan was on the bench that day too! :pac:

ike · 20-09-2014 11:01AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuxUVv1PDTc

NukaCola · 20-09-2014 11:01AM

Our back 4 should be

Manquillo-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno

barring injuries. That could be the backline for the next number of years if given a chance to gel. Has all the attributes to be a successful back four. Get a better GK behind them and some defence coaches in and we'll be set

mada999 · 20-09-2014 11:03AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Skrtel is the worst central defender of the 3 by a long shot imo. Was hoping he would be shipped out tbh.

Consensus by whom btw? You could be right but wondering who said it

Skrtel is the worst out of the 3? He's the best out of the 3 if you ask me

20-09-2014 11:09AM

mada999 wrote: »

Skrtel is the worst out of the 3? He's the best out of the 3 if you ask me

Well I did say imo.

Skrtel is a very average defender in my book.

T-K-O · 20-09-2014 11:22AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Well I did say imo.

Skrtel is a very average defender in my book.

Senderos is your typical very average defender. Skrtel is a level above.

The problem with Agger & Skrtel (imo) they need a leader beside them. Sahko is the same. I'm hopeful in time Lovern can be that guy.

If Skrtel is as bad as you say, We are screwed because the other two have done nothing to suggest they are a level above.

NukaCola · 20-09-2014 11:23AM

emo72 wrote: »

We seem to be spending biggish money on CDs and still ending up with less than stellar performances.

Streaming is where its at now. Spotify ftw.

Ferris_Bueller · 20-09-2014 11:30AM

We needed an upgrade on Skrtel, we signed Sakho and Lovren who should have seen Skrtel move down to 3rd choice centre half but based on performances so far I'd say Skrtel is still our best defender, which is worrying.

Hopefully Sakho and Lovren will settle in and improve soon, because IMO Skrtel is not good enough to be a starting centre half for a team looking to challenge for the title.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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