Liveline thread 16/09/2014 to 26/11/2014

Mike Guide 69 · 17-09-2014 02:51PM

Build a bridge and get over it.....................i'll get me coat!!!!!!!

yop · 17-09-2014 02:51PM

Jeebus, how many times has it to be spelled out to them that they are not allowed! 250 euro a day, not bad for a 9-3 job

ButtersSuki · 17-09-2014 02:58PM

Honestly, about 7 of the last 10 Lahv Lahns I've listened to were candidates for "Worst Lahv Lahn Ever".

As my optician used to say to me as a child as my eyesight was getting progressively worse with each visit……...

"It's worse you're improving"

CountyHurler · 17-09-2014 02:59PM

"you're paid by the taxpayer"..

Golden opportunity for him to say "Well so you are Joe"

bigroad · 17-09-2014 02:59PM

Yes Joe you are also paid by the tax payer .

Harry Angstrom · 17-09-2014 03:00PM

This guy is giving us his life story zzzzzzzzzzzz. We're now up to 1984......

neris · 17-09-2014 03:00PM

CountyHurler wrote: »

I didnt get the full story but as far as I'm aware RTE are doing a remake of Gone With The Wind..

Mr Potatoe head hit the Brylcream big time

ButtersSuki · 17-09-2014 03:01PM

Joe is paid fees folks, not a salary. He'd be the first to tell you that.

Doesn't change the fact that it ultimately comes from the taxpayer admittedly, but Joe would probably argue that one too.

Dan Jaman · 17-09-2014 04:27PM

Well, I missed that, but skipping through the recording and the thread I don't think I missed anything Earth-shattering.

billy the squid · 17-09-2014 04:30PM

EmilyHoward wrote: »

Since when is €238 = nothing? I'm against jobsbridge in principle but spouting rubbish like this does the cause no favors.

the employer pays nothing. they get a free worker for six or nine months.

sligojoek · 17-09-2014 11:34PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

When he's in investigate mode, he's Horatijoe, aptly named after the world's greatest investigator (and actor):

one can even imagine Joe with the auld sunglasses staring into the mirror and winking at himself.

I read that too quickly

queensinead · 18-09-2014 12:03AM

billy the squid wrote: »

the employer pays nothing. they get a free worker for six or nine months.

That point was not emphasised. The employers on the show, as in the outside world, were allowed to frame the debate in the "it's better to get up in the morning and go somewhere" mode

But employers are not neutral brokers here. Of course they think JobBridge is working. It's working for them. The taxpayer is gifting them free labour

What's so bad about free labour? Well, nobody made the clear point that working for nothing is bad because it devalues all labour and institutionalises and normalises the idea that employers don't have to pay anything to their workers

Where employees have only their labour to sell, if the market is rigged against them and flooded with free labour, of course their pay and conditions will plummet--which is what is happening

One rather scathing male employer early in the show really annoyed me

He was aggressively dismissive of all critics, insisting that he worked in "the real world"

But he's not operating in the real world of the free market. He's taking from the taxpayer, who must pay for his free labour. The "market" is rigged in his favour

These same employers are quick to accuse others of "leeching off the taxpayer" and telling us that "the state can't create jobs"

When the state is creating jobs, and paying for them, for private employers, apparently that's ok.

Also his condescending insistence that he'd always give a Jobbridge lad a few bob for himself at the end of the week, was offensive

Are workers expected to hang around looking longingly at the till on a Friday, hoping that out of the goodness of his heart, their employer, who is not obliged to pay them a penny, might take pity on them and shove a few bob into their jacket pocket?

Pay the worker a wage for his work. Forget the charity.

Harry Angstrom · 18-09-2014 12:58AM

It was also a load of bollix to state that most employers will provide for ScamBridge workers' expenses. Most of them won't, as they're not obliged to do so.

pc7 · 18-09-2014 10:22AM

Schools are using jobbridge according to this, was this mentioned at all? I thought the debate was they wouldn't and yet it seems they are the biggest user of it? It may have been said during the week I found myself tuning in and out.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0918/644577-schools/

ThisRegard · 18-09-2014 11:31AM

The problem with the schools, and the unions are tying to have it both ways, is that they have to hold someone jobs open while they take a career break. So in theory they can't really fill this position with another full time position as the unions will **** themselves about it, der tuk our jobs. So what are schools that need a teacher to do ?

I do think the window of how long a position will be held open for is being reduced to two years. But two years ? That's still two years in which how a school operates effectively can be disrupted.

Dan Jaman · 18-09-2014 11:51AM

pc7 wrote: »

Schools are using jobbridge according to this, was this mentioned at all? I thought the debate was they wouldn't and yet it seems they are the biggest user of it? It may have been said during the week I found myself tuning in and out.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0918/644577-schools/

From what I heard in passing, according to JoeKinomics there are only 28 Job-bridge teachers or somesuch, which seems an unlikely small figure to me, anyhow.

Welsh Megaman · 18-09-2014 12:28PM

MDPV on the menu today?

ButtersSuki · 18-09-2014 12:30PM

Won't be in today folks as I have a prior arrangement

But I will leave you with this tale of merriment from De Luas dis morning. There I was minding my own business reading the paper on De Luas (a sure sign I'm not a regular luas traveller) when a member of the unwell asked me could I give him "a few bob for some skank". I assume he was referring to his choice of class A and not his missus, but that's another story. I politely declined to which I was subjected to a torrent of abuse - until I stood up. As my 6'6" frame towered over the I would imagine barely 5'6" member of the unwell (remember "junkie" is a bad word now) he quickly retreated. This was greeted by some mild sniggering from his fellow members of the unwell club.

Anyhoo, a few stops later at Heuston Station a yank (remarkably similar to the one who asks for the toilet in Trainspotting) gets on and starts conversing with said member of the unwell.

The conversation went like this:
Yank: hi! Can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: wha?
Yank: I said can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: you can say wha ya want bud.
Yank: and isn't this public tram great?
The unwell: it's nah pubilick, ye have ya pay for it.

And so it went on. Poor Yank.

Wonder can the researchers track him down (the yank)

Fujitsu10 · 18-09-2014 12:51PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Won't be in today folks as I have a prior arrangement

But I will leave you with this tale of merriment from De Luas dis morning. There I was minding my own business reading the paper on De Luas (a sure sign I'm not a regular luas traveller) when a member of the unwell asked me could I give him "a few bob for some skank". I assume he was referring to his choice of class A and not his missus, but that's another story. I politely declined to which I was subjected to a torrent of abuse - until I stood up. As my 6'6" frame towered over the I would imagine barely 5'6" member of the unwell (remember "junkie" is a bad word now) he quickly retreated. This was greeted by some mild sniggering from his fellow members of the unwell club.

Anyhoo, a few stops later at Heuston Station a yank (remarkably similar to the one who asks for the toilet in Trainspotting) gets on and starts conversing with said member of the unwell.

The conversation went like this:
Yank: hi! Can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: wha?
Yank: I said can I say how much I love your country!
The unwell: you can say wha ya want bud.
Yank: and isn't this public tram great?
The unwell: it's nah pubilick, ye have ya pay for it.

And so it went on. Poor Yank.

Wonder can the researchers track him down (the yank)

Great Story and well told (written), Well Done, Well Done, Well Done..
You do get around don't you? Last week Barcelona or was it Madrid, this week Duablin. Where next week? Ballybunion???:D:D

snubbleste · 18-09-2014 01:49PM

Business complaining about street funiture

Dan Jaman · 18-09-2014 01:49PM

I suppose Joe was in that pub last night, getting his ear bent by the owner.

Hamilcar · 18-09-2014 01:49PM

Public footpath............................

sudzs · 18-09-2014 01:50PM

Missed the start... what pub is it?

Edit: The International... sorted!!!

ThisRegard · 18-09-2014 01:50PM

Joe, we want to litter the public footpaths but we're not allowed. It's not fair Joe.

See how long he'll let you sit in his pub without buying anything.

my friend · 18-09-2014 01:51PM

That gob sheen makes it impossible to walk that corner with the gleaning drunks draped over the furniture

Keep it inside your doors

Hamilcar · 18-09-2014 01:51PM

Ah they were taking away a barrel of laughs

ThisRegard · 18-09-2014 01:51PM

There's no space around the International for safe use of what that fella wants.

ThisRegard · 18-09-2014 01:52PM

Phone the ambi-ance Joe.

snubbleste · 18-09-2014 01:53PM

"The point of the matter is.."

Harry Angstrom · 18-09-2014 01:53PM

Mannix is getting great mileage out of Liveline to further his political career.

Liveline thread 16/09/2014 to 26/11/2014

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