Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Nerdlingr · 17-09-2014 02:37PM

Someone needs to take Gerrard off free kicks as well. His delivery from set pieces was poor again last night.
Our first free kick of the night was down the anfield road end, left hand side, about a yard away from their box and gerrard hits the first man. His corners werent up to much either.

Sir Gallagher · 17-09-2014 02:45PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Someone needs to take Gerrard off free kicks as well. His delivery from set pieces was poor again last night.
Our first free kick of the night was down the anfield road end, left hand side, about a yard away from their box and gerrard hits the first man. His corners werent up to much either.

Gerrards corners can be hit or miss, but usually his free kicks from wide areas are top drawer. It's a complete myth thats he's bad at either imo.

Take this from last season for example.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 02:48PM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Someone needs to take Gerrard off free kicks as well. His delivery from set pieces was poor again last night.
Our first free kick of the night was down the anfield road end, left hand side, about a yard away from their box and gerrard hits the first man. His corners werent up to much either.

His corners have never been brilliant but I'd still have him on them, he at least tries to fizz them in, Coutinho, Hendo, Aspas have all taken corners, but a bit too floaty for my liking. Frees like the one you mention is normally where Gerrard thrives, the one where he can whip it towards the far corner is prime territory for him imo.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 02:49PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Gerrards corners can be hit or miss, but usually his free kicks from wide areas are top drawer. It's a complete myth thats he's bad at either imo.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/02/25/set-piece-kings-gerrard-rooney-lead-the-way/

Pardon me Sir, I seem to have parrot-ed you there.

dogbert27 · 17-09-2014 02:51PM

Think Carra is being a bit harsh on Moreno for the goal.

Replays showed it was two passes down the centre of the field that resulted in the goal and it was actually Gerrard or Lucas who should have been in position ahead of the CB's to intercept the pass.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 02:53PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Think Carra is being a bit harsh on Moreno for the goal.

Replays showed it was two passes down the centre of the field that resulted in the goal and it was actually Gerrard or Lucas who should have been in position ahead of the CB's to intercept the pass.

I disagree, it's a bit Kamikaze when you're 1-0 in the 90th minute to be overlapping Sterling and taking himself out of the game, let Sterling run at them, Moreno should have stayed put imo.

Fescue · 17-09-2014 02:54PM

Nobody else mentioned it but I though Sterling was fouled in the lead up to their goal.

So did he from his reaction.

ASOT · 17-09-2014 02:55PM

Moreno isnt at fault for that goal atall, He went for the overlap with Sterling who took to much time on the ball and lost it, stood there in a huff waiving his hands around looking for a free kick. Then you see Moreno run by and try get back to help defend. Sterling seems to be immune from any blame which is ridiculous. Then to make things worse Ming makes a horrendous decision trying to come out when there was absolutely no need to.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 02:56PM

Might I add on Moreno, that it may not necessarily have been his fault, BR might have encouraged him to do that but really he should be barking at him to stay back in that situation

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 02:59PM

ASOT wrote: »

Moreno isnt at fault for that goal atall, He went for the overlap with Sterling who took to much time on the ball and lost it, stood there in a huff waiving his hands around looking for a free kick. Then you see Moreno run by and try get back to help defend. Sterling seems to be immune from any blame which is ridiculous. Then to make things worse Ming makes a horrendous decision trying to come out when there was absolutely no need to.

When you break the goal down it was actually a catlogue of errors by a few players, Moreno was a small part of it, I'm not saying he's fully culpable or anything, deffo Sterling, Gerrard, Lucas, Lovren, Mignolet could all have done better, even Sakho seemed to be in a bit of no mans land but didn't see a good replay to see where he was coming from or what he was doing.

dogbert27 · 17-09-2014 03:00PM

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Might I add on Moreno, that it may not necessarily have been his fault, BR might have encouraged him to do that but really he should be barking at him to stay back in that situation

But Gerrard was equally out of position just behind Sterling and got caught out by the pass. It was his channel that the ball was played through. Not the area that Moreno had left open.

Nerdlingr · 17-09-2014 03:00PM

Fescue wrote: »

Nobody else mentioned it but I though Sterling was fouled in the lead up to their goal.

So did he from his reaction.

I thought it was a brilliant tackle, twice! from the best player on the pitch last night... Caicara.

ASOT · 17-09-2014 03:01PM

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

When you break the goal down it was actually a catlogue of errors by a few players, Moreno was a small part of it, I'm not saying he's fully culpable or anything, deffo Sterling, Gerrard, Lucas, Lovren, Mignolet could all have done better, even Sakho seemed to be in a bit of no mans land but didn't see a good replay to see where he was coming from or what he was doing.

Yeah i should have been a bit more clear in my post, maybe going for the overlap wasnt the smartest move at that point in the game but saying that its our playing style. Sterling was the main culprit i taught other than Ming. Football 101, play the whistle its quite simple. Dont stand ther waving your arms in the air the ref wont change his mind!

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 03:04PM

ASOT wrote: »

Yeah i should have been a bit more clear in my post, maybe going for the overlap wasnt the smartest move at that point in the game but saying that its our playing style. Sterling was the main culprit i taught other than Ming. Football 101, play the whistle its quite simple. Dont stand ther waving your arms in the air the ref wont change his mind!

Footballing 101 to me would be when you're in the last minutes with a lead to have the defenders stay back.

I know that's our style and it's good but we need to learn how to kill games off like that.

Nerdlingr · 17-09-2014 03:09PM

Yeah, Moreno was actually ahead of sterling when he lost the ball - crazy when its the 91min and yer 1-0 up. Which in turn meant Sakho covering the left hand side and the gap opening up to play their player in behind Lovren. I still think ultimately Migonlet should take a lot of the blame...I dont understand what he was thinking in coming for a ball he was never gonna get.

17-09-2014 03:09PM

Are there highlights anywhere for the game does anyone know?

kfallon · 17-09-2014 03:10PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

But Gerrard was equally out of position just behind Sterling and got caught out by the pass. It was his channel that the ball was played through. Not the area that Moreno had left open.

But Sakho was further out to the left to cover Moreno's position as he was up the other end. I'm pretty sure there was a player in the right wing role for them and that's why Sakho moved out there. That created space for the ball to be played between him and Lovren! If Moreno stays at left back, Sakho can stay more central and the space is prob not there for the ball to be threaded thru the middle.

Plenty of players can be blamed for the goal but I def don't think Sakho is culpable!

Iused2likebusts · 17-09-2014 03:10PM

On Moreno bombing forward in the 90th minute this is what Rodgers wants based on his time in charge he would view going 2 0 up as killing the game off rather than changing tactics at 1 0 up. Sometimes this works sometimes like last night it doesn't.

kfallon · 17-09-2014 03:12PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Are there highlights anywhere for the game does anyone know?

Maybe UEFA's site?

Knex* · 17-09-2014 03:17PM

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Match thread Saps do not count my good man.

Love that reply from Carra on Twitter above!

I've moved on from ye saps. Bad influence.

Utopia Parkway · 17-09-2014 03:21PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

On Moreno bombing forward in the 90th minute this is what Rodgers wants based on his time in charge he would view going 2 0 up as killing the game off rather than changing tactics at 1 0 up. Sometimes this works sometimes like last night it doesn't.

I can understand trying to kill a game when you are 1-0 up and 30 minutes still left to play but at 1-0 up in the 90th minute you shouldn't have any defenders bombing up the field.

Iused2likebusts · 17-09-2014 03:23PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I can understand trying to kill a game when you are 1-0 up and 30 minutes still left to play but at 1-0 up in the 90th minute you shouldn't have any defenders bombing up the field.

I agree but I wouldn't blame Moreno Id imagine the instructions from rodgers are to keep doing what your doing.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 03:26PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I agree but I wouldn't blame Moreno Id imagine the instructions from rodgers are to keep doing what your doing you sexy thing.

fyp

Knex* · 17-09-2014 03:28PM

Be more like Rodgers to call him, "A beautiful young man", I would think.

Chip Whitley · 17-09-2014 03:28PM

The probability of a goal would have been brought way down if Mignolet had just stayed where he was and a) given Sakho or Lovren time to get back for a block and b) make the angle to shoot at smaller.

dogbert27 · 17-09-2014 03:38PM

kfallon wrote: »

But Sakho was further out to the left to cover Moreno's position as he was up the other end. I'm pretty sure there was a player in the right wing role for them and that's why Sakho moved out there. That created space for the ball to be played between him and Lovren! If Moreno stays at left back, Sakho can stay more central and the space is prob not there for the ball to be threaded thru the middle.

Plenty of players can be blamed for the goal but I def don't think Sakho is culpable!

I don't blame Sahko either.

My point is if Gerrard was in his correct position the ball would never have made it towards the centre backs.

Pilsbury Doughboy · 17-09-2014 03:40PM

Knex. wrote: »

I've moved on from ye saps. Bad influence.

I've never posted in a match thread during the match, not my thing.

T-K-O · 17-09-2014 03:43PM

Just a quick reminder. We played in and won our first CL game in 5 years.

Augmerson · 17-09-2014 03:46PM

I think Ludogogrets might take a point or more off Basle which would do us favours further down the line. Don't see them beating Real though.

dogbert27 · 17-09-2014 03:48PM

Just looked at the goal again.

My final conclusion is that if Mignolet stayed on his line the guy wouldn't have scored.

Lovren was edging him further right with Henderson coming in behind covering him.

Mignolet rushing out made it easy for the player to get the shot away early.

I blame the keeper!

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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