I see we now have the "War on Diseases"

sbsquarepants · 17-09-2014 10:18AM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not even funny. US leaders are literally calling for a 'war' on ebola

:rolleyes:

It's fine - all their wars go perfectly to plan with no unforeseen consequences. Relax man:pac:

seamus · 17-09-2014 10:21AM

Akrasia wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of thing that the Military and civil defence forces should be doing.

+1, exactly what I thought when I heard of it this morning.

If the US really wants to make a difference to peace & stability around the world, it would be putting boots on the ground to aid in crises like this just as much, if not more than in civil or military conflicts.

In case anyone is wondering what the US military can actually do in this situation, it's exactly as Fratton Fred says. They have the largest and most efficient logistics operation on the planet.
Such as building fully-stocked medical facilities capable of treating thousands of patients, in a matter of days.

Sunnyisland · 17-09-2014 10:23AM

We also had a war on poverty,and the war on want and and U2 had an album called war it's all a load of war war to me.

We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,

blackwhite · 17-09-2014 10:23AM

My name is URL wrote: »

be a veteran of war and get a bad infection in a US hospital without the proper insurance and you'd be charged hundreds of thousands of dollars for treatment and probably counter-sued for costs

Amazing the lies that some people willingly spout to try and back up their hatred....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Veterans_Affairs_medical_facilities

Grayson · 17-09-2014 10:23AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

No it won't. Stop watching Outbreak.

If no-one has it there's little chance of it changing. The more people who have it the greater the chance since there's more hosts.

Stop trying to appear smart.

creolebelle · 17-09-2014 10:24AM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's not even funny. US leaders are literally calling for a 'war' on ebola

The epidemic of the 'muricans involving their troops in absolutely everything they fcuking do presumably.
football game in Croke Park - get two fighter-jets from Germany to do a flyover (at a cost of?)

be a veteran of war and get a bad infection in a US hospital without the proper insurance and you'd be charged hundreds of thousands of dollars for treatment and probably counter-sued for costs

What are these 3000 troops going to be doing anyway? Patrol the borders of other countries.. limiting movement of those they see as suspicious? How very thoughtful of them all :rolleyes:

^thats not true. Veterans get feel healthcare over here but they have to go to a veterans hospital/clinic

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-09-2014 10:24AM

Wiggum firing his gun at Monty Burns germs

topper75 · 17-09-2014 10:29AM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Moyes should have bought him last season to solve his woes

Yeaaaaaah Bill. Ebola has been absolutely fantastic for me all season. He's working for the team and creating chances up front and not afraid to backtrack when needs be. What a stunning striiiiiiike Bill! He hasn't half hit that has young Ebola.

sbsquarepants · 17-09-2014 10:29AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

No it won't. Stop watching Outbreak.

Terrible film. That one with Kate Winslett, the one where she unexpectedly keeps her clothes on, was even worse.

I for one am sick and tired of a new virus coming to kill us every fúcking year. If it does, we would be entirely unable to cope anyway so why worry. The irish health system can't cope with sprained ankles and broken noses after a bank holiday weekend - airborne fúcking ebola - are you shítting me, it might as well be a zombie apocalypse and level 10 sharknado all rolled into one while there's snow on the roads and barely enough salt for a bag of chips.
If it does happen, the only thing that will save you is your own immune system - not captain America and his band of super heroes.

CrazyRabbit · 17-09-2014 10:31AM

Hmm...whenever the US goes to war, their enemy often comes out stronger and in greater numbers.

Ebola today...and then zombies in a few months!

On a more serious note, they should deliberately infect captured terrorists and then release them. They'll spread it to all their terrorist buddies.

Ok, perhaps that wasn't so serious.

twinytwo · 17-09-2014 10:37AM

Tail Docker wrote: »

Then 200 US troops come back to the states with ebola..and it spreads...

America isn't Ireland mate.... You think the troops won't be quarantined and tested before they come home?

Cookie_Monster · 17-09-2014 10:42AM

odd that the US have to have their hand forced on it though, the Chinese basically own much of the continent these days, why are they not in doing the work?

SeanW · 17-09-2014 10:45AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The US only sends troops to places that are rich in resources, everyone knows that - that's not a conspiracy theory. Liberia is very rich in gold and diamonds.

I suppose Afghanistan also has lots of riches, as did Vietnam, Germany, Japan etc ...

creolebelle · 17-09-2014 10:50AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

odd that the US have to have their hand forced on it though, the Chinese basically own much of the continent these days, why are they not in doing the work?

Good point but Liberia does have historical ties with the US. It was a former American colony for freed black slaves

Rhys Essien · 17-09-2014 10:53AM

creolebelle wrote: »

Good point but Liberia does have historical ties with the US. It was a former American colony for freed black slaves

+1.

And Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf is American educated and went to Harvard.She probably just asked her friend Obama for help.

oisinog · 17-09-2014 11:11AM

The US miliary is not all about soilders.

They also have doctors and medics who can help treat patients.

WHO probably has asked for help from the united nations and the us are the first to respond

LorMal · 17-09-2014 11:23AM

twinytwo wrote: »

America isn't Ireland mate.... You think the troops won't be quarantined and tested before they come home?

Dead right. They should also be tested for deafness. Our guys really suffer from that.....

Canis Lupus · 17-09-2014 12:17PM

Grayson wrote: »

If no-one has it there's little chance of it changing. The more people who have it the greater the chance since there's more hosts.

Stop trying to appear smart.

Millions of people suffer from HIV which also mutates. I don't hear you worrying about that going airborne. :rolleyes:

Drakares · 17-09-2014 12:31PM

Wow.. The States have dedicated millions of dollars and resources worth of help to a country where people are dying to a deadly disease, and still people find some downside to it because it's America... Amazing.

Egginacup · 17-09-2014 01:19PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Sounds like a good thing to me. The WHO has already said that this type of action is needed to stop the spread of the disease which has been described as out of control in Liberia. If the US want to make sure ebola doesn't land on their doorstep then this is what has to be done. Good job they are stepping up tbh because no one else seems to care too much about it.

Since Washington is ramping up its presence in Africa, what with Africom, etc., to control resources there, I find it rather far-fetched that there are no aid agencies the world over that can round up 3000 civilians with experience in driving a truck or carrying a damn crate of blankets or antibiotics.

If the US is so interested in helping out in this alleged crisis then why can't they send the Peace Corps or even the damn boyscouts for that matter?
Why does it have to be active duty soldiers who will of course be bringing weapons and munitions with them. And if your argument is that the US Army is the only organisation in the whole wide world with experience in shifting "supplies" from A to B then I cry "bollocks".

Even if this were true and their motives were altruistic then why not send ex-servicemen and pay them. There's plenty of ex-military personnel in the US who can't find a job

Turtwig · 17-09-2014 01:25PM

Why does the US Army get sent to disaster relief zones such as Earthquakes and hurricanes? Why not send ex-military personnel? Why do other nations seemingly do the same also? What's with it them sending soldiers actively drilled in logistics, aid, engineering, construction etc? Why not send ones into a crisis zone where they might be unfit or out of practice? :rolleyes:

Egginacup · 17-09-2014 01:26PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Too little too late.

Having just American troops on the ground sends the wrong message. The indigenous population are superstitious and scared as it is, last thing they need is a foreign military presence. Either all countries armies go or none. People are far too paranoid at the moment.

But don't you see......it just takes one suspicious attack (or even staged attack) by a few suspicious locals and these peasants will be branded as "Al-Qaeda in Liberia" or "ISIS in Ivory Coast" and we'll get the usual crap that the 3000 will need to bolster their presence to fight the terrorists and help free the locals, bring democracy, blah blah in an open-ended commitment coupled with a few troops "surges" when the "Ebola index" goes to defcon 2 again or some sh1t

oceanman · 17-09-2014 01:36PM

the world is over populated anyway!

Egginacup · 17-09-2014 01:39PM

Akrasia wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of thing that the Military and civil defence forces should be doing.

There is a crisis in Liberia that they do not have adequate resources to deal with themselves. Their medical crisis has global implications so the U.S. sending in assistance to build emergency medical treatment centres is an excellent development.

Can the conspiracy theory loonies please step away from the keyboard? The Paranoid CT bullsh1t (as well as local superstitious nonsense) is actually costing lives and assisting with the spread of this disease.

There are people refusing to present for treatment who have symptoms of the disease because they have been convinced that the authorities are not to be trusted.

And once again the true-believers defend themselves by spitting out the "conspiracy theory" smear to try and stifle any argument.

Egginacup · 17-09-2014 01:44PM

Akrasia wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of thing that the Military and civil defence forces should be doing.

There is a crisis in Liberia that they do not have adequate resources to deal with themselves. Their medical crisis has global implications so the U.S. sending in assistance to build emergency medical treatment centres is an excellent development.

Can the conspiracy theory loonies please step away from the keyboard? The Paranoid CT bullsh1t (as well as local superstitious nonsense) is actually costing lives and assisting with the spread of this disease.

There are people refusing to present for treatment who have symptoms of the disease because they have been convinced that the authorities are not to be trusted.

If the US are so damn interested in helping their fellow man by assisting in medical and aid missions then why aren't they setting up medical stations, supply procedures, and various other logistical entities to ease the suffering of the 3 MILLION refugees from Iraq that they helped create or the million Syrian refugees that they helped create living is despicable squalor in tent cities in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan? Hm? Answer me that.

Or are you going to give us the usual lame "they can't help everyone" excuse and call me a "tinfoiler"?

Sauve · 17-09-2014 01:45PM

oceanman wrote: »

the world is over populated anyway!

Bet that wouldn't be your attitude if someone in your family had it.
As long as it's not on your back door then 'feck em', yeah?

Augmerson · 17-09-2014 01:49PM

Look we have all seen Outbreak. Just start dropping the bombs.

Egginacup · 17-09-2014 01:55PM

SeanW wrote: »

If you believe there is something else going on, why did you not start this thread in Conspiracy Theories?

So something else going on is akin to alien abductions?

Is your entire outlook on the world comprised of:

1. Your view, which is the absolute FACTS
2. "Conspiracy Theories"

?

InTheTrees · 17-09-2014 02:13PM

Egginacup wrote: »

If the US are so damn interested in helping their fellow man by assisting in medical and aid missions then why aren't they...

So its your opinion they should stop trying to help???

Maybe your hero Vlad Putin will step in to help? Or the Chinese?

Lol!!!

Canis Lupus · 17-09-2014 02:19PM

Egginacup wrote: »

But don't you see......it just takes one suspicious attack (or even staged attack) by a few suspicious locals and these peasants will be branded as "Al-Qaeda in Liberia" or "ISIS in Ivory Coast" and we'll get the usual crap that the 3000 will need to bolster their presence to fight the terrorists and help free the locals, bring democracy, blah blah in an open-ended commitment coupled with a few troops "surges" when the "Ebola index" goes to defcon 2 again or some sh1t

Why does your brain even make that leap? Could you not just give it a rest for once?

I see we now have the "War on Diseases"

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