Hinge and hold chipping method

BoardsMember · 15-09-2014 03:45PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Tell me about it. I have gone through so many different methods and ideas, swings and the likes. All of it works for a bit then when it starts to drop off I look for something else.

I guess the driver behind getting this lesson was to get a base, that I could stick with through thick and thin and build some expertise and experience around. I wasn't far off, but little tweaks and a better understanding is hopefully going to help me big time.

A big problem with me was deciding on a type of shot for the sitaution. A downside to having that sort of "arsenal" of shots around the green ,is that you can choose the wrong one at the wrong time. And a big part of the type of shot I'd play was confidence based.

So who is this "Krishna" you speak of. I am pretty much self taught, or father taught, so sound a bit like you...in that I need a base, a starting point I know is right, then I will go off a personalise it. If I can get a couple of pointers of positive things to implement, rather than negative things not to do, I think I will be good. PM/post the info of your tutor, if you don't mind.

TheDoc · 15-09-2014 04:28PM

BoardsMember wrote: »

So who is this "Krishna" you speak of. I am pretty much self taught, or father taught, so sound a bit like you...in that I need a base, a starting point I know is right, then I will go off a personalise it. If I can get a couple of pointers of positive things to implement, rather than negative things not to do, I think I will be good. PM/post the info of your tutor, if you don't mind.

haha you make it sound like he is the second coming !

He is the pro on my club, Hollywoodlakes. Although I had read online good reports from people based on experiences. There was a website I forget the name off but basically you could find PGA coaches in your area, and people could leave reviews, he was pretty much raved about. And I remember some low handicappers here mentioning they had great experiences, particularlly his shortgame lessons.

Suprised we don't have a thread with recommendations for coaches or club pro's, sound like a logical thing we should have considering how many people enquire about lessons, but also how many posters here would push lessons before equipement. (Which is a fair point).

And yes, I'm very much self taught. Father taught me the basics and then with the advent of youtube started finding tidbits on there. I had coaches throughout my teens when I was playing off six, and didn't fall out with them ( bar one) but found it too complicated and they wanted to strip me down and rebuild things enitrely, rather then build on what I think is a solid base(obviously thats open for debate haha)

GreeBo · 15-09-2014 04:39PM

John Divney wrote: »

The clubface has a steep path and if this is missed by a bit the result is a disaster, you can easily hit fat and skull it especially when on a tight lie and a bit apprehensive.

It is good out of the rough to hit into the ball fair enough.

Why the need for a hinge when you don't' need to be steep for any reason on a chip shot.

Great for Phil who likes the feel of it and does it a million times a week, but why would a once a week amateur want to use it when rusty and on a tight lie first thing in the morning.

I don't think it has to be steep though, off the back foot maybe, but normal ball position slight hinge doesn't mean its a steep path.

The hinge (note that I don't hinge on the back swing, I'm "hinged" at setup)

I dont think hinging adds any risk, unhinging however very much does.

John Divney · 15-09-2014 04:57PM

It still has a release to a bottom point, that is well bellow the ball, the club wants to straighten out and does so into the ground, taking various depth scrapes depending in where the ball is.

There is no active release I agree, but the clubhead does release steeply at the end.

I wouldn't change anything if it worked personally, but a lot of players struggle with that Phil Mickleson DVD.

This is an alternative that has less risk and can take away shanking, fat and skull shots, still allowing for margins of error and poor strikes to not result in a disaster.

Some people will not like it, playing all chips off the front foot and no pivot in the chip.

TheDoc · 15-09-2014 04:57PM

I think what we all want to see here are videos of posters chipping, make it happen

TheDoc · 15-09-2014 04:59PM

John Divney wrote: »

It still has a release to a bottom point, that is well bellow the ball, the club wants to straighten out and does so into the ground, taking various depth scrapes depending in where the ball is.

There is no active release I agree, but the clubhead does release steeply at the end.

I wouldn't change anything if it worked personally, but a lot of players struggle with that Phil Mickleson DVD.

Probably the last person I'd look at for shortgame tips. Very unorthodox and uses a lot of loft, and much bigger swing then most.

It's like teaching a child how to take a free kick like Ronaldo, rather then saw Beckham. Both really good at it, but one is majorly unorthodox to learn and takes outrageous time investment to work. And has arguable benefits over the other.

GreeBo · 15-09-2014 05:12PM

John Divney wrote: »

It still has a release to a bottom point, that is well bellow the ball, the club wants to straighten out and does so into the ground, taking various depth scrapes depending in where the ball is.

There is no active release I agree, but the clubhead does release steeply at the end.

I wouldn't change anything if it worked personally, but a lot of players struggle with that Phil Mickleson DVD.

This is an alternative that has less risk and can take away shanking, fat and skull shots, still allowing for margins of error and poor strikes to not result in a disaster.

Some people will not like it, playing all chips off the front foot and no pivot in the chip.

Maybe we are talking about different shots...I don't have any release on chips or at least not until long after the ball has gone and the club is rising above the ground.

If you are discussing the Mickelson version specifically (where you unrelease into the ball) then I agree totally, but Im talking about hinge and *hold*.

FixdePitchmark · 15-09-2014 05:46PM

I think the Doc is right there.

I've tried both - 9 iron and s/w .

I don't practice enough to use a s/w - a 9 iron is a way safer shot.

I can do both - but way too many lads trying to be phil out there with their 62 and 64 - mad stuff.

May give this a go for the laugh - it is a hard concept to get the idea of the bounce hitting ground right.

But back to above - it is all just practice. But simple ideas - versus flop shots.

(unless you are at a serious level of golf) - this is nice and simple so good idea for most.

John Divney · 15-09-2014 05:48PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Maybe we are talking about different shots...I don't have any release on chips or at least not until long after the ball has gone and the club is rising above the ground.

If you are discussing the Mickelson version specifically (where you unrelease into the ball) then I agree totally, but Im talking about hinge and *hold*.

I say release, I should say path, the club does release from the force of the pivot, the body turn and stiff wrists stop it from fully releasing, but it does steepen the path in this motion when the handle of the club a close to the body. The aoa is descending.

The technique of h & h is easy, but the margins are smaller as you have to hit perfect timing with the pivot

GreeBo · 15-09-2014 06:55PM

John Divney wrote: »

I say release, I should say path, the club does release from the force of the pivot, the body turn and stiff wrists stop it from fully releasing, but it does steepen the path in this motion when the handle of the club a close to the body. The aoa is descending.

The technique of h & h is easy, but the margins are smaller as you have to hit perfect timing with the pivot

What is a technique with less margin for error?
I setup with hands ahead and rock shoulders, it's pretty foolproof, putting stroke really.

agusta · 15-09-2014 09:23PM

GreeBo wrote: »

What is a technique with less margin for error?
I setup with hands ahead and rock shoulders, it's pretty foolproof, putting stroke really.

This is it for me, its all in the sternum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLpAOTILvk

http://www.golftoday.co.uk/proshop/features/chip_pitch_splash.html

My local pga pro teaches the same principal

whizbang · 15-09-2014 11:09PM

Amazing, I haven't come across any others mentioning the sternum positioning.

Makes great sense to me.

agusta · 15-09-2014 11:39PM

whizbang wrote: »

Amazing, I haven't come across any others mentioning the sternum positioning.

Makes great sense to me.

It can be hard to get set up like this and also to stop your sternum moving back through the chip shot but once you get it you have it.
leadbetter has talked about chipping like this too http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/short-game/chipping/leadbetter_gd0611

GreeBo · 16-09-2014 09:14AM

whizbang wrote: »

Amazing, I haven't come across any others mentioning the sternum positioning.

Makes great sense to me.

A great test for this is chipping with your eyes closed.
It helps you find your natural ball position and ensure that you are just turning and not swaying etc.
Maybe on to try in the back garden first though

BoardsMember · 16-09-2014 10:16AM

GreeBo wrote: »

A great test for this is chipping with your eyes closed.
It helps you find your natural ball position and ensure that you are just turning and not swaying etc.
Maybe on to try in the back garden first though

Very good piece of advice. And not just for chipping, for putting, for driver etc. It's amazing how much extra information related to balance & rhythm you get with your eyes closed.

charlieIRL · 16-09-2014 11:20AM

GreeBo wrote: »

A great test for this is chipping with your eyes closed.

I always do this when i'm chipping onto a green over a bunker. Works every time.

slave1 · 17-09-2014 06:41PM

Hands up, I used to be a great chipper around the green before I gave up the game for a few years and never really got back to the level I previously enjoyed.
Tried this today in Galway Bay, excellent results, found you really need to commit though and accelerate at impact, happy days!

BoardsMember · 19-09-2014 11:06PM

slave1 wrote: »

Hands up, I used to be a great chipper around the green before I gave up the game for a few years and never really got back to the level I previously enjoyed.
Tried this today in Galway Bay, excellent results, found you really need to commit though and accelerate at impact, happy days!

Which approach?

slave1 · 20-09-2014 06:34PM

BoardsMember wrote: »

Which approach?

Hinge n hold

Hinge and hold chipping method

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