Ian Paisley has died

Donkey Oaty · 12-09-2014 07:00PM

I'm waiting to see this:

"A great man, who, while he had his controversial moments, ultimately believed in peace and freedom for all" - The Gay Times.

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 07:01PM

'He stood for what he believed in'. 'He never wavered from his stance'. 'He was uncompromising'

Why are the above touted as some sort of commendable traits? It was Paisley's traits that were instrumental in drawing out of a conflict that might have been settled 30 years, and thousands of killings, before it eventually was when he 'had no choice'.

The platitudes are sickening.

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 07:02PM

20Cent wrote: »

Wonder what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been able to operate without having been attacked by Paisley's mobs. A strong movement would have de legitimised the IRA and probably gotten us to where we are today without thirty odd years of violence.

Good question. However, there probably would have been an even more sinister actor playing in the background and we could still be in a hot war today.

bucketybuck · 12-09-2014 07:03PM

joseph brand wrote: »

I want to play 'devil's advocate' and say something nice about Ian, but I'm having trouble.

He didn't murder or rape anyone. Is that good enough?

Didn't murder anybody? That man had more blood on his soul than any other person connected to the troubles.

Lapin wrote: »

Its fashionable and popular right now to throw insulting and defamitory remarks on the family of Dr Paisley right now.

The truth is - Most of those spurting their artificial angst and vitriol in his direction in After Hours haven't a fucking clue what the hell they are on about.

If they are old enough to remember the violence in this island, they should know better.

But I reckon most of those posting here were still shítting in their nappies after the Good Friday Agreement was signeed.

They haven't a clue.

I'm old enough to remember having to check under cars for bombs, so you can stuff your post up your hole.

Donkey Oaty · 12-09-2014 07:04PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

The platitudes are sickening.

They are, but they're not unique to Ian Paisley - it's the way of the world.

When reading any "tribute", ask yourself this: could it also be said of Darth Vader? Most of them could.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 07:04PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Everyone cannot be equal, even today, though free, we cannot be equal, we should be paid our responsibility rate in exchange for labour.

Everyone should have equal chance the man was happy if there was a catholic dead he'd laugh when he would see a single Protestant woman getting 3 bedroom houses before a catholic family with 3 children. Then you reckon he was a funny character

barneystinson · 12-09-2014 07:05PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

There isn't peace in NI go there on 12th July it's not peace. Go there when a flag is erected somewhere or removed. There will never be peace when ireland is unfree

What freedom is Ireland lacking Chrissy?

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 07:06PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

It was Paisley's traits that were instrumental in drawing out of a conflict that might have been settled 30 years,

Paisley drew a focus, he stood up unarmed in the face of armed militants and like a general on a hilltop he directed battle.

Chrissybhoy · 12-09-2014 07:08PM

barneystinson wrote: »

What freedom is Ireland lacking Chrissy?

Freedom to govern it's 32 county's

Lingua Franca · 12-09-2014 07:10PM

I hope he's remembered for his greatest achievements.

Like the part he played in the abduction of a 15 year old Catholic girl from the Falls in 1956.

Or the time he incited a crowd to beat the shite out of the reporter Martin Bell.

Or the time he spoke to a crowd and listed all the Catholics living on the Shankill and gave their addresses (this included an Italian ice cream seller), resulting in the crowd marching up and burning them all out.

...and all the other times he incited hatred and terrorism against Catholics but with just enough plausible deniability that he was able to turn on those he incited and say he condemned it, which is how he managed to alienate working class loyalists.

Or when he opposed the Good Friday agreement and the peace process.

But shure wasn't he great?

Berserker · 12-09-2014 07:11PM

A genuine and decent man. A truly great orator. A character who was liked by all who met him outside the political arena, whether they opposed or agreed with him. As a Protestant, I tip my hat to him. RIP, big man.

DLMA23 · 12-09-2014 07:17PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Or the time he spoke to a crowd and listed all the Catholics living on the Shankill and gave their addresses (this included an Italian ice cream seller), resulting in the crowd marching up and burning them all out.

My relatives

iDave · 12-09-2014 07:17PM

Berserker wrote: »

A genuine and decent man. A truly great orator. A character who was liked by all who met him outside the political arena, whether they opposed or agreed with him. As a Protestant, I tip my hat to him. RIP, big man.

And your just as bad as him if that's the case

Red Nissan · 12-09-2014 07:19PM

Anyway, I feel like watching a movie, suggestions?

DLMA23 · 12-09-2014 07:21PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Anyway, I feel like watching a movie, suggestions?

Resurrection Man

Balmed Out · 12-09-2014 07:21PM

Wow I can't believe some of the posts here. The guy has a lot to answer for and is as or more guilty as to the happenings of the troubles as anyone. Going on about him as a peacemaker!!!!!
He only made peace after fermenting trouble long enough until he himself would have the power

Lingua Franca · 12-09-2014 07:22PM

Berserker wrote: »

A genuine and decent man. A truly great orator. A character who was liked by all who met him outside the political arena, whether they opposed or agreed with him. As a Protestant, I tip my hat to him. RIP, big man.

"You people of the Shankill Road, what's wrong with you? Number 425 Shankill Road - do you know who lives there? Pope's men, that's who! Forte's ice-cream shop! Italian Papists on the Shankill Road! How about 56 Aden Street? For 97 years a Protestant lived in that house and now there's a papisher in it! Crimea Street, number 38! 25 years that house has been up, 24 years a Protestant lived there, but there's a papisher there now!"

And that crowd he was speaking to immediately went up and beat and burned them all out.

He was a great orator, alright. Decent? Depends on your standards...

Karl Stein · 12-09-2014 07:24PM

Berserker wrote: »

A genuine and decent man.

A world renowned bigot

A truly great orator.

A loud-mouth inciter to sectarian violence.

As a Protestant, I tip my hat to him.

Do you think Paisley was a good example of how to be a Protestant?

Unknown Soldier · 12-09-2014 07:27PM

When the world became a smaller place due to the internet etc he realised history would not remember him well. I applaud him for his latter years. People should be allowed to change.

Someone once said to me, there are no good men or bad men, merely good or bad deeds.

He did a lot of bad deeds. He was a bit of a Tony Blair.

He has a lot blood on his hands and he was certainly no Nelson Mandela.

It's a pity he never renounced his past. (Unless he did and I missed it?)

I hope he enjoys Hell.

MentalMario · 12-09-2014 07:28PM

Question for all the Paisley haters here. Are you a practicing Catholic?

If not, why all the hate?

He's done some God-awful things, as have the IRA but both sides will say they had their reasons for it etc...

Personally, I don't feel happy, nor' sad that he's dead. He wasn't a relative, friend etc...of mine.

My facebook wall is full of Sinn Fein lads bashing the Reverend. I despise Sinn Fein because of these ****wits.

P.S. I was born Catholic, in the South-East. I'm a free agent at the moment though. F*ck Catholicism. Actually, just f*ck organised religion. The World would be a lot better place without all these cults around.

Berserker · 12-09-2014 07:29PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

He was a great orator, alright. Decent? Depends on your standards...

I thoughts Republicans had moved on, forgiven and forgotten etc? That is what my family have been told to do when we bring up the topic of our relative who was shot by your heroes because he wouldn't sell up and move to North Antrim.

Lingua Franca · 12-09-2014 07:31PM

Who are you calling a republican? What do you know of my heroes?

Why do all loyalists assume that anyone who isn't a loyalist is a republican?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 12-09-2014 07:32PM

With luck his evil spawn will be around long enough to see a United Ireland.

That would be no more fitting an end for his rotton family line.

Lingua Franca · 12-09-2014 07:32PM

MentalMario wrote: »

Question for all the Paisley haters here. Are you a practicing Catholic?

No.

If not, why all the hate?

Well, that would be because...

He's done some God-awful things

No buts about it.

Balmed Out · 12-09-2014 07:33PM

MentalMario wrote: »

Question for all the Paisley haters here. Are you a practicing Catholic?

If not, why all the hate?

He's done some God-awful things, as have the IRA but both sides will say they had their reasons for it etc...

Personally, I don't feel happy, nor' sad that he's dead. He wasn't a relative, friend etc...of mine.

My facebook wall is full of Sinn Fein lads bashing the Reverend. I despise Sinn Fein because of these ****wits.

I'm not a practicing Catholic and I hate him for all the misery he inflicted on others, not a fan of the other side either.

Berserker · 12-09-2014 07:33PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

Who are you calling a republican? What do you know of my heroes?

Why do all loyalists assume that anyone who isn't a loyalist is a republican?

Why are you assuming that I am a Loyalist? If you are not a Republican the I apologize for calling you one. The mantra that you are preaching is very close to that of a Republican. Once again, apologies if I was incorrect.

MentalMario · 12-09-2014 07:35PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

No.

Well, that would be because...

No buts about it.

Do you hate Gerry Adams? Martin McGuinness? Bobby Sands? etc...

Berserker · 12-09-2014 07:36PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

With luck his evil spawn will be around long enough to see a United Ireland.

That would be no more fitting an end for his rotton family line.

Yes because threads like this are really going to convince the Unionist people that the RoI is an all respecting multi-cultural society where they will be welcome ........

Unknown Soldier · 12-09-2014 07:37PM

MentalMario wrote: »

Question for all the Paisley haters here. Are you a practicing Catholic?

If not, why all the hate?

He's done some God-awful things, as have the IRA but both sides will say they had their reasons for it etc...

Personally, I don't feel happy, nor' sad that he's dead. He wasn't a relative, friend etc...of mine.

My facebook wall is full of Sinn Fein lads bashing the Reverend. I despise Sinn Fein because of these ****wits.

I grew up in the North during the "Troubles" and suffered the consequences of him and others. Plus I have read a lot on the so called "Troubles".

I don't have "hate" as such but I am not deluded or fed by media headlines.

He was, tbh, an utter C you next Tuesday for most of his involvement, bar the latter years. He may well have been a lovely man when not being political, in fact I know he was but that is neither here nor there.

kingchess · 12-09-2014 07:38PM

MentalMario wrote: »

Question for all the Paisley haters here. Are you a practicing Catholic?

If not, why all the hate?

He's done some God-awful things, as have the IRA but both sides will say they had their reasons for it etc...

Personally, I don't feel happy, nor' sad that he's dead. He wasn't a relative, friend etc...of mine.

My facebook wall is full of Sinn Fein lads bashing the Reverend. I despise Sinn Fein because of these ****wits.

no I am an unbeliever,and he was a bigot of the highest degree,he denied giving rights that he himself enjoyed as a UK citizen to people who had different beliefs,because they were Catholics, when all they wanted was Civil Rights and to be treated equally.thus kickstarting the IRA,

Ian Paisley has died

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