Sean O'Rourke Today Show

Bits_n_Bobs · 09-09-2014 09:09AM

Someone should tell Howlin that "reform" does not equal chief apologist for the whole public service.

michael999999 · 09-09-2014 09:11AM

Callan57 wrote: »

You have to kinda feel for Michaél Martin - Hanafin with a knife at his back & as usual she has total amnesia regarding her own responsibility in the cabinet that destroyed this country. Ah yes, sure that's all ancient history for someone with multiple state guaranteed pensions. :rolleyes:

Really?

Was Michael martin not sitting at the cabinet table with her?

Both are traitors in my eyes and equally culpable for the mess the country is in!

constitutionus · 09-09-2014 09:26AM

I worked so soooooo hard to not go into government with FF and trouser a massive ministerial wage.

yeah right.

FFS.

EDIT.

ya know this is why hundreds of thousands watch "reeling in the years" , caus this guys reimaging the past as he goes along !

Callan57 · 09-09-2014 09:47AM

michael999999 wrote: »

Really?

Was Michael martin not sitting at the cabinet table with her?

Both are traitors in my eyes and equally culpable for the mess the country is in!

You perhaps missed my :rolleyes:

ThisRegard · 09-09-2014 10:34AM

That weapon Breda O'Brien on now.

Callan57 · 09-09-2014 10:58AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

That weapon Breda O'Brien on now.

To my surprise I find myself in agreement with her this morning - I'm not at all convinced we should be experimenting with future children in this fashion & I have an instinctive suspicion of those who claim that all is perfect and there will be absolutely no problems with these arrangement - there is absolutely no way they can know what future problems these children will have to deal with.

But I have to admit I simply do not understand this obsession some people have with having a child, I am of the view that well & good if it happens but my entire life is not dependent or revolving around producing a child at any cost. I accept I'm probably a bit odd in that regard.

ThisRegard · 09-09-2014 12:12PM

Callan57 wrote: »

be experimenting with future children in this fashion & I have an instinctive suspicion of those who claim that all is perfect and there will be absolutely no problems with these arrangement - there is absolutely no way they can know what future problems these children will have to deal with.

There's no experimentation as such, and the future problems of any kid is unknown.

The desire to have a child can over ride every other emotion and thought for some people, it's just a natural desire.

Callan57 · 09-09-2014 01:27PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

There's no experimentation as such, and the future problems of any kid is unknown.

The desire to have a child can over ride every other emotion and thought for some people, it's just a natural desire.

IMO there is experimentation in that nobody has any idea how children born via surrogacy will deal with this element of their birth. Most mothers have bonded with their child by the time of it's birth & I have to wonder why nature would cause this bonding in advance of birth & what influence it's absence has on a child's future. I just think there are a lot of possibilities for a lot of future pain.

As with our own national experiment with adoption - nobody in the 1930/40 or 50s would have foreseen the enormous lifelong pain inflicted on birth mothers & on their children by what was considered to be in the best interests of both mother and child.

ThisRegard · 09-09-2014 10:30PM

Forced adoption can't be compared to adoption, never mind surrogacy.

Surrogacy isn't just an idea that hasn't been tried yet, I think the first official surrogacy contract was drawn up some time in the 80s. God knows how many informal agreements existed before or since.

There's plenty of people to ask.

I have to wonder why nature would cause this bonding in advance of birth & what influence it's absence has on a child's future.

So you think children adopted can't be happy and will have problematic futures?

the_monkey · 10-09-2014 10:36AM

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Callan57 · 10-09-2014 10:56AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Forced adoption can't be compared to adoption, never mind surrogacy.

Surrogacy isn't just an idea that hasn't been tried yet, I think the first official surrogacy contract was drawn up some time in the 80s. God knows how many informal agreements existed before or since.

There's plenty of people to ask.

So you think children adopted can't be happy and will have problematic futures?

You need to reread my post - nowhere did I say "children adopted can't be happy" ... that's just plain silly. But almost every day on liveline we have adopted children desperate to find their natural parents. IMO it is more than likely that a child born to a surrogate will in the future want to find his/her birth mother.

Also, define forced .... I really do not think that a woman opting to carry a child for a stranger because she desperately needs the money is making a decision of her own free will. Coercion isn't always physical as we know & economic or family realities can bring subtle coercion.

How long do you think it will be 'till afluent women who don't want to undergo the physical demands of pregnancy & childbirth will be opting for a surrogate ... science fiction? I wonder!

Lteegan · 10-09-2014 11:04AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

That weapon Breda O'Brien on now.

I'm just listening back now. I find her so annoying that even if I agree with her points (which is rare) II'm turned against her due to her preachy patronising attitude.

hotmail.com · 10-09-2014 11:10AM

Callan57 wrote: »

You need to reread my post - nowhere did I say "children adopted can't be happy" ... that's just plain silly. But almost every day on liveline we have adopted children desperate to find their natural parents. IMO it is more than likely that a child born to a surrogate will in the future want to find his/her birth mother.

Also, define forced .... I really do not think that a woman opting to carry a child for a stranger because she desperately needs the money is making a decision of her own free will. Coercion isn't always physical as we know & economic or family realities can bring subtle coercion.

How long do you think it will be 'till afluent women who don't want to undergo the physical demands of pregnancy & childbirth will be opting for a surrogate ... science fiction? I wonder!

I think the point the woman was making that surrogacy will always happen when you have infertile couples. So let's make it legal, safe and relegated here in Ireland because it's never going to go away.

ThisRegard · 10-09-2014 11:54AM

Callan57 wrote: »

You need to reread my post - nowhere did I say "children adopted can't be happy" ... that's just plain silly.

Not directly, but you said "I have to wonder why nature would cause this bonding in advance of birth & what influence it's absence has on a child's future.". It's also not there in the case of adoptions.

Callan57 · 10-09-2014 02:00PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Not directly, but you said "I have to wonder why nature would cause this bonding in advance of birth & what influence it's absence has on a child's future.". It's also not there in the case of adoptions.

I was referring to when the lady said the surrogate mother had absolutely no feeling whatsoever for the child she was carrying for 9 months & that she would have no qualms whatever about handing it over - this I find difficult to believe.

You may well be right but I don't share your conviction that there won't be negative consequences in the future for either the child or the birth mother - it just does not sit right with me

serfboard · 10-09-2014 03:02PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

That weapon Breda O'Brien on now.

I thought she was a teacher? So should she not be teaching?

Callan57 · 11-09-2014 09:22AM

Wonder who much to this drinking was done at home before these kids went out at all??????

Dopped off by "very worried looking parents" - clearly they were not worried enough to pack their child off home to bed. :mad:

Oops69 · 11-09-2014 09:28AM

None of the home schoolers got to go out on the piss last night , they're really deprived !

IvyTheTerrible · 11-09-2014 09:47AM

I wasn't allowed to go out the night of my Junior Cert. These kids are minors, are their parents in control or are they in control?

Callan57 · 11-09-2014 09:58AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I wasn't allowed to go out the night of my Junior Cert. These kids are minors, are their parents in control or are they in control?

Neither was I & I wasn't "home scooled" either but then my parents didn't feel a need to be my best friend either - they were quite happy to be my parents & accept that as a responsibility.

sudzs · 11-09-2014 10:23AM

One of my pet peeves is people, usually Irish, calling Westminster West-minister! :mad:

ThisRegard · 11-09-2014 10:25AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I wasn't allowed to go out the night of my Junior Cert. These kids are minors, are their parents in control or are they in control?

I went to the cinema for my Inter Cert night out, followed by late night bowling. Pretty wild in fairness.

Yakuza · 11-09-2014 11:20AM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I wasn't allowed to go out the night of my Junior Cert. These kids are minors, are their parents in control or are they in control?

Some parents try to be friends first, then parents. Bad idea when it comes to unsupervised alcohol access. In a few years I'm not averse to letting my daughter try beer *in my presence* and probably only a few mouthfuls to begin with. And that would only be to dispel the mystique that might be associated with it.

ThisRegard wrote: »

I went to the cinema for my Inter Cert night out, followed by late night bowling. Pretty wild in fairness.

Same here. Myself and a mate blagged into Rambo ("Of course we're 18", we said, in squeaky man-child voices, to the lady in the ticket booth), then were home by 8pm or so.

touts · 12-09-2014 10:21AM

Women like this and their whole "energy" rubbish are the modern version of the snakeoil salesmen preying on vulnerable people. I'd say Sean will have stern words for the researcher who let them in.

Callan57 · 12-09-2014 10:29AM

Sheep dog trials on the radio LOL

Loafing Oaf · 15-09-2014 10:01AM

Haha someone just texted in after that interview with retiring judge Barry White: "Barry White saved my life and got me back with my ex-wife" and Sean read it out!:D

touts · 15-09-2014 10:03AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Haha someone just texted in after that interview with retiring judge Barry White: "Barry White saved my life and got me back with my ex-wife" and Sean read it out!:D

I don't think Sean actually realized it was a joke. He read it out completely dead pan with just the slight hint of confusion in his voice towards the end as he clearly wondered how a judge could save a man's life and get him back with his ex wife.

sudzs · 15-09-2014 10:03AM

After the interview with Judge Barry White SOR was given texts to read out... One was "Barry White saved my life, got me back with my ex-wife"

He read it out dead pan, not the tiniest hint of irony!! LOL!!!!

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-09-2014 10:07AM

are they given the option to go home?

Loafing Oaf · 15-09-2014 10:09AM

touts wrote: »

I don't think Sean actually realized it was a joke.D

Pretty sure he didn't. Reminds of PK's legendary Gavin Henson incident http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xFxaVucmE

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