Woman walks free after admitting she lied about boyfriend raping her

Sociopath2 · 12-09-2014 02:01AM

GerB40 wrote: »

"Some people always have to be the victim"?

What about the actual victim of a miscarriage of justice?

You mean like the guy in this story almost was? Terrible thing to happen to him, the sentence was an insult to what he'd been through.

kowloon · 12-09-2014 02:03AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

well,

here comes there generalisation trains..........

choo-choooo

FYP

GerB40 · 12-09-2014 02:09AM

Sociopath2 wrote: »

You mean like the guy in this story almost was? Terrible thing to happen to him, the sentence was an insult to what he'd been through.

I completely agree. I suggested in a previous post that the liar should get the full sentence the innocent man would've got if found guilty.

Perhaps slight leniency for fessing up but she definitely deserves a few years behind bars. To walk free is beyond disgraceful..

Sociopath2 · 12-09-2014 02:14AM

GerB40 wrote: »

I completely agree. I suggested in a previous post that the liar should get the full sentence the innocent man would've got if found guilty.

Perhaps slight leniency for fessing up but she definitely deserves a few years behind bars. To walk free is beyond disgraceful..

The argument will be made, and I think someone already did, that if there's any real penalty beyond a slap on the wrist it will stop women voluntarily admitting they made it all up. You could end up with more innocent men being sent to prison then.

But that's effectively means there can be no punishment for any woman who falsely cries rape. I don't think some people fully appreciate what it means for a man to be accused of rape.

kylith · 12-09-2014 08:04AM

GerB40 wrote: »

That's a very good point. Liars like this woman trivialise the thousands of genuine cases in Ireland alone. Not only does she tarnish an innocent man but an indirect result could be that rape victims might be afraid to come forward for fear of being labelled liars.

A very sad situation..

I think it's one of the reasons that liars like this woman get off so easily; women who have actually been raped could be put off reporting it if they think they could go to jail because no-one believes them.

Grayson · 12-09-2014 08:10AM

kylith wrote: »

I think it's one of the reasons that liars like this woman get off so easily; women who have actually been raped could be put off reporting it if they think they could go to jail because no-one believes them.

It would also discourage a woman who did lie from telling the truth. If this woman was sentenced to a year in prison it might stop the next woman who makes a false claim from recanting.

I do think she should have gotten some community service or something though.

kylith · 12-09-2014 08:19AM

Grayson wrote: »

It would also discourage a woman who did lie from telling the truth. If this woman was sentenced to a year in prison it might stop the next woman who makes a false claim from recanting.

I do think she should have gotten some community service or something though.

Hopefully having her name published will be enough punishment. If anyone Googles her this will come up.

12-09-2014 08:24AM

I don't understand this bit
'Her friend convinced her it was rape and was wrong. She's a vulnerable young woman and her friend saw her emotional, upset and with bruises.'

What bruises?

oh sorry, clicked the link now

Mr Temple said: 'She said the bruising and injuries were nothing more than the result of heavy drinking and being restrained by Mr Frith.'

Bailey's lawyer, Frances Ridout, told the court: 'Mr Frith "tried it on", to use her words, and she was resisting and after numerous attempts she gave in and that's when consensual sex happened.

So like ... he did attack her?
Restrained to the point of leaving bruises on her, badgered her til she "gave in" - that's pretty borderline if not over the line entirely.
If a woman did make it up out of the blue then absolutely there should be consequences but this is not a situation where I think she should be locked up, headline notwithstanding

12-09-2014 08:32AM

nope

pickarooney · 12-09-2014 08:40AM

Did she make it all up or just the rape? Did they clarify if the bruises were from an assault or something else?

Rubberchikken · 12-09-2014 08:41AM

it's a horrible thing to accuse anyone of, and the reason why all names should be kept annonymous until someone is found guilty by a court.

Grayson · 12-09-2014 08:50AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't understand this bit
'Her friend convinced her it was rape and was wrong. She's a vulnerable young woman and her friend saw her emotional, upset and with bruises.'

What bruises?

oh sorry, clicked the link now

So like ... he did attack her?
Restrained to the point of leaving bruises on her, badgered her til she "gave in" - that's pretty borderline if not over the line entirely.
If a woman did make it up out of the blue then absolutely there should be consequences but this is not a situation where I think she should be locked up, headline notwithstanding

I'm going to side with the judge and the woman who said that no sexual assault took place. She said that he did not rape her and the judge found her guilty of lying when she said he did.

She also said the bruises were when he restrained her. That would imply that he was 100% not attacking her, but was probably defending either himself or someone else from her. In other words, she was the one attacking someone. So not only did she lye about him assaulting her, but she probably assaulted him.

by all means feel free to interpret this as he attacked her and she's blameless.

Riskymove · 12-09-2014 08:54AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I

So like ... he did attack her?
Restrained to the point of leaving bruises on her, badgered her til she "gave in" - that's pretty borderline if not over the line entirely.

indeed, it's not so black and white when you read the article and many unanswered questions

something seems to have happened between them but we are missing a lot of detail

padd b1975 · 12-09-2014 09:01AM

Riskymove wrote: »

something seems to have happened between them but we are missing a lot of detail

Missing a rape for starters.

12-09-2014 09:02AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Did she make it all up or just the rape? Did they clarify if the bruises were from an assault or something else?

My reading of it is that they were drinking and he restrained her and insisted til she gave in and she was left with bruising from it. But if that were the case the comments from the judge etc seem awfully harsh if she really was assaulted.
I guess we just couldn't know from a DM article (google search: Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe ), but if there's anything to it I wouldn't be as quick to call the lynch mob on her. I think there are other genuine cases where there were complete false accusations made and for those I support the woman being in trouble for it

Rubberchikken wrote: »

it's a horrible thing to accuse anyone of, and the reason why all names should be kept annonymous until someone is found guilty by a court.

I agree with this much either way

Riskymove · 12-09-2014 09:08AM

bluewolf wrote: »

My reading of it is that they were drinking and he restrained her and insisted til she gave in and she was left with bruising from it. But if that were the case the comments from the judge etc seem awfully harsh if she really was assaulted.

well, actually she claimed they went to sleep after the physicality and the alledged sexual encounter occurred later

while the later part of the article seems to suggest this wasn't true and that she left the house

then there is talk that some friend of hers either got the wrong idea and in talking with her things "got out of control" as the article said and the friend became convinced that a rape had occurred resulting in her encouraging her to go to the police

as the judge said, taking 5 months to admit the truth is the issue here.

tritium · 12-09-2014 09:09AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't understand this bit
'Her friend convinced her it was rape and was wrong. She's a vulnerable young woman and her friend saw her emotional, upset and with bruises.'

What bruises?

oh sorry, clicked the link now

So like ... he did attack her?
Restrained to the point of leaving bruises on her, badgered her til she "gave in" - that's pretty borderline if not over the line entirely.
If a woman did make it up out of the blue then absolutely there should be consequences but this is not a situation where I think she should be locked up, headline notwithstanding

Defence lawyer in mitigating claims shocker!

Given we're only hearing one side, and from a now convicted liar and criminal, I'm going to add a sizeable pinch of salt here. Not saying there isn't a smidgen of truth in there but she and her defence team don't exactly have stacks of credibility right now....

12-09-2014 09:09AM

Yeah no I was just confused what was going on with the whole bruises thing

fair enough

tritium · 12-09-2014 09:10AM

Riskymove wrote: »

well, actually she claimed they went to sleep after the physicality and the alledged sexual encounter occurred later

while the later part of the article seems to suggest this wasn't true and that she left the house

then there is talk that some friend of hers either got the wrong idea and in talking with her things "got out of control" as the article said and the friend became convinced that a rape had occurred resulting in her encouraging her to go to the police

as the judge said, taking 5 months to admit the truth is the issue here.

With friends like that ..........

Kimbot · 12-09-2014 09:10AM

Even if the Girl in this case got a community service sentance whereby she has to work around rape victims for a few hundred hours would have been better than her walking away scot free. Maybe she might learn how serious the accusation was then.

padd b1975 · 12-09-2014 09:12AM

tritium wrote: »

With friends like that ..........

Some hardcore cock blocking right there.

Reggie. · 12-09-2014 09:17AM

Brings back bad memories here. Mate of mine was accused of rape after going home with a girl after a nite club. Was arrested and released pending charges. He always talked of his innocence but he was tarnished. In the end he couldn't handle it and took his own life. Shortly after the girl admitted she was lying.
Apparently she didn't want to be seen in a bad light by her friends for going home and sleeping with him so she concocted up the rape story.

Bit ****ing late now :mad:

12-09-2014 09:18AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Brings back bad memories here. Mate of mine was accused of rape after going home with a girl after a nite club. Was arrested and released pending charges. He always talked of his innocence but he was tarnished. In the end he couldn't handle it and took his own life. Shortly after the girl admitted she was lying.
Apparently she didn't want to be seen in a bad light by her friends for going home and sleeping with him so she concocted up the rape story.

Bit ****ing late now :mad:

That's awful, I'm so sorry to hear that

:mad:

Reggie. · 12-09-2014 09:21AM

bluewolf wrote: »

That's awful, I'm so sorry to hear that :mad:

This is the other side of the story in effect where a man felt he had no other choice. Where is the deterrent to a woman making up such stories.

Riskymove · 12-09-2014 09:55AM

tritium wrote: »

With friends like that ..........

in fairness we don't know what impression was given by this woman to her friend

osarusan · 12-09-2014 10:17AM

I appreciate the concern that a woman (or man) who has been assaulted should not feel any less inclined to report the assault for fear of prosecution.

But there can surely be a distinction between a case where assault or rape has not been proven, but the victim's belief that they had been assaulted was understandable, and cases where the reporting of an assault is clearly unfounded and malicious.

In the latter case, there should absolutely be consequences for the person making the false accusation.

caustic 1 · 12-09-2014 10:18AM

I recently had the misfortune to be out on a night out and come across some teenagers I knew who had a lot to drink and were trying to call out another fella I knew out of the pub to fight. I got the instigator to calm down and talk to me where he proceeded to tell me that his ex girlfriend was assaulted by the person inside on a recent night out. Now the person inside is one of the nicest young fellas you could meet and I found it very hard to believe, but this guy was adamant. I did think to myself what if he did do it. The girl in question came along and tried to calm the fella also. I told her if what she was saying were true she should contact the relevant authorities. I do not know this girl, it was the one and only time I talked to her. She said to him that was between us you said you wouldn't say a word and was upset. Anyhow after a while the other fella involved had made his way out of the pub and off home in a taxi.
That was a Friday night and on the Monday when all were back in class it turned out she had made it all up to make the ex jealous. I mean WTF. If he and his friends would have got him that night I have no doubt they would have done serious harm.
I was disgusted that she could stand there and blatantly lie and blacken someone's good name in order to get attention from her ex.

Penny Tration · 12-09-2014 10:23AM

jonny24ie wrote: »

Even if the Girl in this case got a community service sentance whereby she has to work around rape victims for a few hundred hours would have been better than her walking away scot free. Maybe she might learn how serious the accusation was then.

As someone who was raped years ago, I can tell you straight out that if a woman who lied about being raped was made to work around me, I would be vvery tempted to punch her in the face.

Reggie. · 12-09-2014 10:23AM

caustic 1 wrote: »

I recently had the misfortune to be out on a night out and come across some teenagers I knew who had a lot to drink and were trying to call out another fella I knew out of the pub to fight. I got the instigator to calm down and talk to me where he proceeded to tell me that his ex girlfriend was assaulted by the person inside on a recent night out. Now the person inside is one of the nicest young fellas you could meet and I found it very hard to believe, but this guy was adamant. I did think to myself what if he did do it. The girl in question came along and tried to calm the fella also. I told her if what she was saying were true she should contact the relevant authorities. I do not know this girl, it was the one and only time I talked to her. She said to him that was between us you said you wouldn't say a word and was upset. Anyhow after a while the other fella involved had made his way out of the pub and off home in a taxi.
That was a Friday night and on the Monday when all were back in class it turned out she had made it all up to make the ex jealous. I mean WTF. If he and his friends would have got him that night I have no doubt they would have done serious harm.
I was disgusted that she could stand there and blatantly lie and blacken someone's good name in order to get attention from her ex.

That's the issue right there

Paz-CCFC · 12-09-2014 10:40AM

jonny24ie wrote: »

Even if the Girl in this case got a community service sentance whereby she has to work around rape victims for a few hundred hours would have been better than her walking away scot free. Maybe she might learn how serious the accusation was then.

Suspended sentence ≠ scot free.

osarusan wrote: »

I appreciate the concern that a woman (or man) who has been assaulted should not feel any less inclined to report the assault for fear of prosecution.

But there can surely be a distinction between a case where assault or rape has not been proven, but the victim's belief that they had been assaulted was understandable, and cases where the reporting of an assault is clearly unfounded and malicious.

In the latter case, there should absolutely be consequences for the person making the false accusation.

There is. It's all in the burden of proof for a criminal trial, which is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Just because you fail to reach this burden does not in any way imply the victim was lying. Say if the proof you needed was 95%, and you only got 80%. It's not enough to prove that the accused is guilty, but it would suggest that the victim was very very likely telling the truth and that there'd be 20% or less proof against that.

The whole process begins again in circumstances such as these. The judge didn't declare the accused male not guilty and then turn to the woman and convict her. It all started anew, which, again, required that the alleged offence be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Woman walks free after admitting she lied about boyfriend raping her

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