Religious Fanaticism in Ireland

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Exactly - who on earth claims Bin Laden is a hero apart from Al Qaida

Unfortunately, there are people who do. al Qaeda/Qaida/Qa'ida is a fanatic 'Islamic' terrorist group but is also seen as a 'third world standing up to the West' group too and all haters of Western countries admire this. No one in their right mind would want to live under an 'Islamofascist' tyranny but that does not stop them supporting them in distant lands.

Tail Docker wrote: »

The Cavan branch of ISIS, apparently. I for one am convinced. That's Drumshambo off my "places to go on holiday to" list. The fanatical b4stards. Paschal Sheehy will be up on Youtube with a big mucker from Drumlish with an Aldi carving knife at his jugular, sawing away for a "free Cavan". Ah hai U lackbar, hai" as they say.

Islamic State of Cavan, Leitrim, Inishowen and Longford = ISCILL. This part i did make up

Nodin wrote: »

Whereas some elements of your story are - on their own - plausible, as a whole it just comes across as a big fib, tbh. You couldn't even say what country you were in, for jaysus sake.

Clearly, that was the Republic of Ireland. I knew where I was: Boyle was Roscommon and then Carrick, etc. was Leitrim and then I went into Cavan. I was unaware where Glenfarne was and was not told/did not look out/take notice in what county it was and assumed Cavan.

All this happened I know and I am sure it is not uncommon. It is not strictly the first time I heard such things in pubs. In Bush's time, I know that there was sympathy for the Iraqi insurgency and heard many say 'America deserved what it gets because of its FP'. But I heard no admiration for 'Islamic fascists' explicitly until last Sunday. It happened, i wish it didn't but it did.

The Strawman Argument wrote: »

My neighbour back home's brother has photos of Fidel Castro and Osama Bin Laden either side of the sacred heart in his home.

That covers it all: a communist, catholic symbol and a fascist. Certainly, the first two have their merits as well as demerits but bin Laden can go to hell where he belongs.

kingchess wrote: »

those Leitrim bastards will jump into bed with any ultra fanatic religious group in the world.it is well known around here,I was talking to Bridie between the jigs and the second decade of the Rosary and she told me that her son "worked" in that hellhole called Leitrim and he told her that Osama BIN Laden and two of his wives were drinking in the local one night,( after closing time!),and he was making snide remarks about the local prod drinking at the other end of the bar, it seems the local yokels were lapping all this up with delight,and Brides son was so disgusted that he had to leave the pub,( at 5.30 in the morning and it lashing rain)

LOL

Hammar wrote: »

Leitrim is in Ireland,Ireland is a western country not a third world country. "Rabid" Irish Catholics whom seemingly hate other religions are not going to be Al Qaeda apologists. You should leave the shovel down, You've dug yourself into a deep enough hole.

Ireland is not a third world country. Neither is it strictly a Western country in terms of how many view what 'Western' (political term not geographic) means. There is a lot of sectarianism in Ireland still. Sometimes hidden, sometimes not. I have been to Belfast before and after the troubles and seen hatred there; I've been told by Northern Ireland people that 'we love tourists and we hate each other'! Last Sunday's incident was nothing entirely new only I probably had to listen to it in more detail than I cared to. Yes, drink probably loosened people's tongues as well but we can't be blaming alcohol for everything: that would be like those ISIS and al Qaeda guys!

Ireland has a shared history with Africa, the Middle East and other places in that it was a colony of another country for years. Ireland's government is part of the EU and accepted by the West but to a lot of people, that is the 'free state', still a tool of the British and the West, not an Irish government. Unfortunately, these values have gained more legitimacy with how poor our politicians have been!

There therefore has been a long history of relationships between other movements and the most fanatic of Irish Republicans: support and solidarity for Bobby Sands came from Revolutionary Guards-controlled Iran, who even named a street after him; Libya was a wellknown supplier of arms to the Provos and then USSR Controlled Czechoslovakia supplied the semtex; hardliners in the Official IRA went to Kimland in the 1980s only to come home because they did not like the food! Dog soup and all these delicacies! All of these are actually greedy dictatorships pretending to be on the side of the poor and oppressed (the reality is very much the opposite: revolutionary guards frontman priest Ali Khamenei is paid a hefty fee for his legitimising of a brutal military junta that has done untold damage and may only be loosed now and is worth €95 billion and the Kim royal family probably 10 times that for example) and it tells a lot about what type of regime our boys would set up too. The irony of it all is that many of the surviving above so-called 'anti-Western' dictators actually have secret deals with the West and have all their money in Western banks propping them up. That's their insurance policy!

With regard to hatred of other religions, I only heard mention of a hatred of protestants and a disdain for liberal Catholic clergy. They did not condemn any other religion and said Islam is for the Arabs and Catholicism is for the Irish with no room for any other creed with either.

FunLover18 wrote: »

Religious fanatics praising another religion's religious fanatics?

Doesn't that sort of defy the point?

Depends. Depends on what the religion is. And the context. It is the enemy of my enemy is my friend concept. ISIS persecute Catholics in Iraq but that does not stop 'Irish Republican Catholic' fanatics and 'Islamic' fanatics from supporting each other: IRA/Hamas/ETA for example.

Even 'Islamic' fanatics worked with what they have called since the 1950s 'The Great Satan' (that is the term varied rebel groups and regimes of both an 'Islamist' and 'Arab nationalist' variety have called America: and before that, the British Empire. The term seems to have originated in British India's Muslim population) when it suited them in Afghanistan against the Soviets.