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NFL star dropped after footage is leaked of domestic assault

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭ruthloss


    Look at the vid. and see the way he treats her unconsious body, he even kicks one of her legs at one point.

    No words to describe that kind of 'man.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭The Purveyor of Truth


    Meanwhile, somewhere in Los Angeles, Solange Knowles thanks God she has a vagina.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    No she didn't.

    He spat at her and she throws her arm out, not making contact with his face at all. He then slaps her in the lift, after which she charges towards him and he then knocks her out.

    How is she to blame in that scenario?


    Given her subsequent behaviour, it would appear that she's perfectly happy to put up with a bit of domestic abuse as long as she can continue to enjoy the millionaire lifestyle.

    I wouldn't waste your time shedding too many crocodile tears for her - they probably deserve each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Holsten wrote: »
    It has NOTHING to do with his ability on the field.

    You really think these young people will think this behavior is ok? You're not giving them much credit.

    Look further down in the article of the signs of support planted outside team HQ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Given her subsequent behaviour, it would appear that she's perfectly happy to put up with a bit of domestic abuse as long as she can continue to enjoy the millionaire lifestyle.

    I wouldn't waste your time shedding too many crocodile tears for her - they probably deserve each other.

    It's not unusual for an abuse victim to stay with their abuser. I can't fathom how you think your victim blaming is okay. Seriously unsettling...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    The victim blaming is severely unsettling AND ill informed on here.

    Look at any abuse scenarios, there is alot of pschological damage that goes on. The victim is told they are useless, worthless, that it was their fault, that nobody else will have you, you're lucky I stay with you kind of thing.

    People are absolutely worn down and beleive that they are terrible people.

    It takes them alot of work and courage to be able to see it is not their fault and they can have a life without this person.

    We have not all been in a domesticaly violent relationship, but some of us have been in an emotionally abusive relationship at some stage, be it a parent, boss whatever who told you you were useless and coudnt do anything right. It is very hard to make a stand against these people and years of emotional damage is done.

    I feel so so sorry that they made her get up and apologise. Sick f*ckers.


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sounds like a lovely chap.

    Also, she married him after this? Wtf.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Sounds like a lovely chap.

    Also, she married him after this? Wtf.

    Sigh. Has anyone researched domestic abuse?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭blue note


    The victim blaming is severely unsettling AND ill informed on here.

    Look at any abuse scenarios, there is alot of pschological damage that goes on. The victim is told they are useless, worthless, that it was their fault, that nobody else will have you, you're lucky I stay with you kind of thing.

    People are absolutely worn down and beleive that they are terrible people.

    It takes them alot of work and courage to be able to see it is not their fault and they can have a life without this person.

    We have not all been in a domesticaly violent relationship, but some of us have been in an emotionally abusive relationship at some stage, be it a parent, boss whatever who told you you were useless and coudnt do anything right. It is very hard to make a stand against these people and years of emotional damage is done.

    I feel so so sorry that they made her get up and apologise. Sick f*ckers.

    There's a very sad amount of truth in this. Looking back at a relationship I'm not long out of I can identify with a lot of it, but it literally took years for me to come to terms with it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    The mysoginistic cream of AH really rises to the top with threads like this, or is it the fact that shit floats?

    Its no wonder women are afraid of their lives to report domestic violence.

    Sure she was asking for it, like the rape victims.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Meanwhile, somewhere in Los Angeles, Solange Knowles thanks God she has a vagina.

    I forgot all about her knocking Jay-z out with a single punch and then kicking his unconscious body.

    Completely slipped my mind.



    *not excusing the psycho b*tch, but lets not pretend it's the same scale of violence either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Meanwhile, somewhere in Los Angeles, Solange Knowles thanks God she has a vagina.

    There's more than a slight difference in slapping someone and kicking their shins than knocking them out with a punch that would trouble Tyson then dragging their unconscious body out of a lift.

    Plus I think Solange's NFL team let her go too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    A lot of disturbing things about this - the measly original two match ban, the 'apology', the apparent attempt at a cover-up, the fact that the woman continues to be doubted in this case.

    I saw a thread on Reddit a while back about this case, before the video came out. It was known that he had dragged her, unconscious from an elevator and still people were jumping to the 'she must have provoked him' line, a line the woman pretty much ended up trotting out herself, either from pressure from the club and her husband, or because physically abusive relationships are often emotionally manipulative too. It seems people have to see the bloody knife before they can even come to a sensible conclusion themselves. People knew well what was going on here some time ago, but as is often the case in the US, when it comes to sports stars, they'll be protected no matter what.

    And even if she had slapped him first (which she didn't btw, he spat on her and was getting in her face before that), how much damage is that going to do coming from a woman her size against a fcuking 15 stone professional football player? He could have killed that woman, but sure it's her own fault for slapping him.

    And honestly, it's pretty astounding the amount of people who still want to make excuses for him and criticize her for whatever reason, despite the fact that she was the one who was knocked out. Reeks of misogyny frankly, and wilful ignorance about the complexities of abusive relationships.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,978 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    Reading things like this makes me sick. Not just the attack, but the other things associated with it. How utter garbage like this rise to fame has me baffled


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    And because none of his beatings were caught on video, serial domestic abuser Floyd Mayweather boxes this weekend and people will quite happily hand over money to see him do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Saying this as a big NFL fan, this has been handled horrifically by all involved.

    The surprising thing is that he'd been squeaky clean prior to this.

    The unbelievable part though is that the NFL banned him for two games initially, while also handing out a four game ban to one player for testing positive for MDMA and another for drinking while on holiday three years after a DUI. So by their logic a couple of beers at home or taking a yoke is twice as bad as decking a woman half your size and dragging her out of a lift. The brutality of it is shocking, the way her head hits the rail in the video, he could easily have killed her.

    Then it takes TMZ releasing a video for the NFL to act further, a video they amazingly deny having seen while deciding the case. The NFL in deciding punishment over something like that claim to not have seen all the evidence when ****ing TMZ got their hands on it, absolute horse****. Smacks of cover up, he's a high profile player and Superbowl winner the season before last, they didn't want him gone and harming their brand and the Ravens didnt want to lose their star Running Back.

    It's classically american though, where nobody gives a **** about violence but if sex or drugs are involved they go crazy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭The Purveyor of Truth


    There's more than a slight difference in slapping someone and kicking their shins than knocking them out with a punch

    Only because of the result. Both are vicious assaults and should be equally condemned.
    Candie wrote: »
    I forgot all about her knocking Jay-z out with a single punch and then kicking his unconscious body.

    Completely slipped my mind.



    *not excusing the psycho b*tch, but lets not pretend it's the same scale of violence either.

    I'm saying she must thank God she is a woman as she kicked and punched a member of the opposite sex, repeatedly and violently. Were the sexes reversed, that scale of violence which she directed at Jay-Z would have caused some serious harm. Violence against women is condemned in our society (and rightly so) and in this case to such a degree that we see Obama releasing statements regarding it, yet when Solange got violent in a confined space to such a degree that she is being referred to as a "psycho bitch" (to use your words) as a result of it.. nothing but tumbleweeds in response. Hence my comment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Candie wrote: »
    I forgot all about her knocking Jay-z out with a single punch and then kicking his unconscious body...

    That boy was extremely lucky it wasn't the wife that did that, or he'd have gone straight through the gable-end and landed in Minnesota. Have you seen the thighs on that one?? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    spiralism wrote: »
    Saying this as a big NFL fan, this has been handled horrifically by all involved.

    The surprising thing is that he'd been squeaky clean prior to this.

    The unbelievable part though is that the NFL banned him for two games initially, while also handing out a four game ban to one player for testing positive for MDMA and another for drinking while on holiday three years after a DUI. So by their logic a couple of beers at home or taking a yoke is twice as bad as decking a woman half your size and dragging her out of a lift.

    Then it takes TMZ releasing a video for them to act further, a video they amazingly deny having seen while deciding the case. The NFL in deciding punishment over something like that claim to not have seen all the evidence when ****ing TMZ got their hands on it, absolute horse****. Smacks of cover up, he's a high profile player and Superbowl winner the season before last, they didn't want him gone and harming their brand and the Ravens didnt want to lose their star Running Back.

    It's classically american though, where nobody gives a **** about violence but if sex or drugs are involved they go crazy.

    The most surprising thing is that the NFL claiming they didn't see the video. Even if they didn't, what do they think happened in the lift? And if they didn't, why didn't they?

    The NFL have private investigators who find out if a potential fifth round draft pick ever stole a bar of chocolate or smoked a joint when he was 16 yet they didn't ask the casino for a copy of the tape?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Wait.....she still married him after that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Pressure was obviously put on her by him and the club to make him look better after the assault, it is not her fault! the scumbags here are him and the club.

    She probably didn't need to go ahead and marry him and declare he is the love of her life and attack people who criticize his actions though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    kryogen wrote: »
    She probably didn't need to go ahead and marry him and declare he is the love of her life and attack people who criticize his actions though?

    Can't believe she married him after that. She should have sued for every penny he had and got the hell away from him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Hardly unprovoked. She slaps him in the face before they get into the lift. It's no excuse for his scumbag behaviour , but she is not entirely without blame in the incident.

    Yes I'm pretty sure he will have used that excuse to justify his actions too. Nice bit of victim blaming.
    Holsten wrote: »
    I agree, why should his professional life be completely ended over this?

    Seems overboard in my view.

    Overboard is suspending a player for a year for testing positive for a minuscule amount of marijuana. They only bowed to pressure and got rid of Ray Rice after the video of inside the lift was made public, originally he was only suspended for 2 games.
    The most surprising thing is that the NFL claiming they didn't see the video. Even if they didn't, what do they think happened in the lift? And if they didn't, why didn't they?

    The NFL have private investigators who find out if a potential fifth round draft pick ever stole a bar of chocolate or smoked a joint when he was 16 yet they didn't ask the casino for a copy of the tape?

    Apparently there is proof that the NFL did see the full video. Of course they did, it's the NFL. Goodell clearly didn't think it was that big a deal until the public outcry started.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Sonderkommando


    My American uncle calls it the national felon league!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Apparently there is proof that the NFL did see the full video. Of course they did, it's the NFL. Goodell clearly didn't think it was that big a deal until the public outcry started.

    That's Goodell out of a job if true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Linebackers, great bunch of lads.

    :confused:
    I dunno. I'd bet that there's some team willing to take a chance on him next year. There'll be all this talk of being a reformed character, having had counselling, making a donation to a women's shelter and begging for another chance but I've not doubt he'll be back.
    I do. He plays a position (and it's not linebacker) where players frequently go from being one of the biggest stars around to out of the league in a single season because athleticism plays a massive part and once you fall off just slightly your worth basically vanishes, and last season he played terrible. He will be out for at least the rest of the season, and by this time next year there is a strong chance that nobody would be interested in him even just purely from a footballing perspective, never mind the negative PR and need to apply for his indefinite ban to be lifted, etc.






    The real uproar has been caused by the fact that the league initially banned him for 2 games (of a 16 game season, up to 20 if you include the playoffs) and his team basically commended him for who he is, and this all happened months ago. Everyone saw the video of him dragging her limp body out of the elevator, but now the league and his team are embarrassingly trying to claim they hadn't seen the in-elevator video, which just doesn't add up, and have only taken proper action because of the outcry it has caused in recent days.

    Meanwhile, they banned another NFL player for the full season around the same time of the initial two game ban for getting caught with some weed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Holsten wrote: »
    I agree, why should his professional life be completely ended over this?

    Seems overboard in my view.

    Because he is a public figure, and Ray Rice in particular has been one of two guys who are the "face" of the Ravens since two of their most legendary players ever retired/moved on after they won the Superbowl 20 odd years back.

    Some people complain about athletes being overpaid, idolised, celebrities, etc. I don't have much issue with it, since it is typically relative to the income they bring into their club (which at the end of the day is a business), but the flipside of that is that at the end of the day they are a public figure and have to act accordingly. Actions like this hurt turnover in terms of jersey sales, spinsorships, etc, and bring a lot of negative attention on the club which can have various effects on the team and the business.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Holsten wrote: »
    It has NOTHING to do with his ability on the field.

    You really think these young people will think this behavior is ok? You're not giving them much credit.

    Have them sort out their own issues between them, have her file criminal charges if needed but he should not lose his job over it. Madness.
    Added to what I said above, his performance on the pitch hardly did him any favours. He is one of the highest paid players in the league in his position, and last year was arguably the worst starting player on any team in his position. Performing better might have helped him keep his place on the team, but he didn't so he didn't.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Billy86 wrote: »

    Meanwhile, they banned another NFL player for the full season around the same time of the initial two game ban for getting caught with some weed.

    That suspension couldn't have happened at a worse time for the NFL. However as it followed a process agreed in the CBA by the union, their hands were tied.

    Still doesn't excuse them for f*&king up the original Rice ruling.


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