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tigger123 · 08-09-2014 11:57PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Where is the proof he was mentally ill?

He chopped off somebody's head.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 12:09AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Most of us in Ireland rarely even hear what is happening in Germany. Murders occurs there don't they?

I take your point. However, this is no ordinary murder (for want of a better term,)When was the last beheading by a religious zealot in Germany.

And don't forget about how so called honour killings by Muslims in far away lands make our news.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 12:11AM

tigger123 wrote: »

He chopped off somebody's head.

Right, so "Jihadi John" (not McCain) is mentally ill and should be given help rather than droned to death?

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 12:20AM

Wibbs wrote: »

TL;DR? the world is sadly too full of bronze age inspired fcukwits. Some Christians, some Muslims and yep some Jews too. This is hardly a shock given the source material. At this stage I'm just waiting for the Zoroastrians to go bat****.

To be fair you'd have to reserve special mention for the secularists of the French revolution and their guillotine.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 12:30AM

RGDATA! wrote: »

The difference is the Woolwich killing was overtly religiously/politically motivated?

The scant details in the story you posted suggest that this guy was also a religious nut, but there's no suggestion of a religious/political motive for this killing.

It's probably fair to say that had he been muslim it might have got more notice or comment here, which is to say I'd agree there's probably a tendency for parts of the media here to stoke panic about Islam.

But there again, in the case of beheading in London last week (which seems a better comparison to this story than Woolwich), the fact that the alleged killer happens to be from a muslim background doesn't seem to have been unnecessarily focussed on, and thankfully so because there isn't any obvious political or religious motive there either.

I largely agree with you, yet on the other hand here are some links to mainstream media in Italy reporting on the death of the old lady in the UK.
http://www.laprimapagina.it/2014/09/06/montefusco-nick-salvadore-decapita-uccide-palmira-silva/
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/14_settembre_05/londra-decapitata-82enne-d-origine-italiana-non-terrorismo-f9b0f678-34e9-11e4-8bde-13a5c0a12f77.shtml
http://www.quotidiano.net/italiana-decapitata-londra-1.183039#1
http://www.agi.it/estero/notizie/gb_italiana_decapitata_con_machete_killer_stregato_da_jihadisti-201409052049-est-rt10194

dxhound2005 · 09-09-2014 12:31AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Right, so "Jihadi John" (not McCain) is mentally ill and should be given help rather than droned to death?

He may have a history of mental illness but until his identity is established we don't know. The radical mosques target people with mental health problems and people who are already criminals because they are easier to brainwash. One of the Michael's had mental health problems as reported in the English media.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lee-rigby-murder-how-killers-michael-adebolajo-and-michael-adebowale-became-ultraviolent-radicals-9015743.html

The younger man, Adebowale, 22, had a history of mental illness, claiming to hear the voices of spirits in prison. He suffered a breakdown after seeing a fellow teenage drug-dealer cut to pieces by a paranoid crack addict who claimed his victim was an al-Qa'ida terrorist bent on blowing up the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent.

Esel · 09-09-2014 12:39AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Page 1 of 15 from a SINGLE ITALIAN NEWSPAPER versus NOTHING

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La ricerca ha prodotto 147 risultati per il termine woolwich (95 ms.) Londra, soldato ucciso mercoledì:
liberati su cauzione tre sospetti

...LONDRA - I tre uomini sospettati da Scotland Yard di essere complici degli assassini del soldato britannico ucciso a colpi di machete la settimana scorsa a Woolwich sono stati rilasciati questa...
Repubblica.it 27 maggio 2013 Londra, i familiari di Rigby sul luogo dell'omicidio

Foto ... insieme con i moltissimi altri fiori che con il passare dei giorni sono stati portati sul posto e nei pressi della caserma a Woolwich dove Lee Rigby prestava servizio dai tanti che che hanno voluto...
Repubblica.it 26 maggio 2013 Londra, killer del soldato fu arrestato in Kenya
"Voleva unirsi ai miliziani somali"

...LONDRA - Michael Adebolajo, sospettato dell'uccisione del soldato britannico Lee Rigby, a Woolwich, era stato arrestato in Kenya nel 2010. Lo ha confermato oggi il Foreign office britannico, secondo...
Repubblica.it 26 maggio 2013 Parigi, soldato accoltellato alla Défense
"Atto di terrorismo, volevano uccidere"

... la ragione o la matrice del gesto dell'aggressore ma solo due giorni un soldato britannico in borghese era stato ucciso da due connazionali convertiti all'Islam a Woolwich, un quartiere di Londra. La...
Repubblica.it 25 maggio 2013 Soldato ucciso a Londra, bufera sugli 007

... a un complice (Michael Adebowale, ora è stato identificato anche lui) un soldato britannico (la cui fidanzata, soldato anche lei, era impegnata in Afghanistan) nel quartiere londinese di Woolwich, era...
DAL NOSTRO CORRISPONDENTE ENRICO FRANCESCHINI la Repubblica 25 maggio 2013 pag. 13 sez. Mondo Quei ragazzi erano miei allievi non li giustifico ma vanno capiti

... dell'estremismo sunnita in Libano. Non lo sconvolgono dunque le accuse lanciate ieri dalla stampa britannica, che sostiene che sia stato proprio Bakri ad avviare Michael Adebolajo, il killer di Woolwich, alla...
FRANCESCA CAFERRI la Repubblica 25 maggio 2013 pag. 13 sez. Mondo GB, altri tre arresti per soldato ucciso
Un amico del killer: "MI5 voleva reclutarlo"

... Adebolajo, ora in ospedale insieme al suo complice per le ferite riportate dopo lo scontro a fuoco con la polizia seguito all'omicidio del soldato Rigby di mercoledì scorso a Woolwich, nel sud-est di...
Repubblica.it 25 maggio 2013 Cristiani convertiti all'Islam i killer del soldato inglese Erano sorvegliati dai servizi

... British Defence League, gruppo xenofobo di estrema destra, si fanno vedere da 24 ore a Woolwich, il quartiere teatro dell'attacco, con passamontagna, scudi e spranghe. Ieri mattina hanno minacciato...
DAL NOSTRO CORRISPONDENTE ENRICO FRANCESCHINI la Repubblica 24 maggio 2013 pag. 16 sez. Mondo IL FRONTE OCCIDENTALE

... Crescere nel quartiere di Woolwich significa fare le scuole inglesi, arrivare all'università di Greenwich, vedere i nostri film, conoscere le canzoni che cantano tutti, corteggiare le ragazze del...
EZIO MAURO la Repubblica 24 maggio 2013 pag. 1 sez. prima pagina QUEI GIOVANI CHE SOGNANO LA JIHAD E IMPARANO L'ODIO SU INTERNET

...PER paradossale che sia, il raccapricciante omicidio per le strade di Woolwich, mette in luce un cambiamento positivo subentrato nella società britannica negli ultimi dieci anni. Nel 2002, dopo...

I really, really hope that you compose posts like the above via copy and paste rather than from scratch.

Any opinion on the three septuagenarian and octogenarian Italian nuns who were raped, mutilated and beheaded very recently in Burundi? Would you call the killer(s) nutjob(s) or zealot(s)? Or nutjob zealot(s)?

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 12:41AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

we don't know.

Exactly. This is my point. Every time a suicide bomb goes off we "don't know" if the Muslim attacker has a mential illness. It's not given a moments notice. Muslims apparently aren't capable of having mental illnesses. This is reserved for white non-Muslims like this Zionist head chopper, The Unabomber, Breivik, Jared Loughner, the virgin from California, every school shooter ever etc..

Can you really not see a pattern?

dxhound2005 · 09-09-2014 12:48AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Exactly. This is my point. Every time a suicide bomb goes off we "don't know" if the Muslim attacker has a mential illness. It's not given a moments notice. Muslims apparently aren't capable of having mental illnesses. This is reserved for white non-Muslims like this Zionist head chopper, The Unabomber, Breivik, Jared Loughner, the virgin from California, every school shooter ever etc..

Can you really not see a pattern?

But I just showed you that one of the Woolwich Michaels was reported as being mentally ill.

Esel · 09-09-2014 12:52AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can you really not see a pattern?

I see more than a pattern - to me, it looks like a conspiracy!

We should have a forum on Boards for topics such as this. You can request one via the Feedback forum, afaik. Oh, wait...

endacl · 09-09-2014 01:49AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Right, so "Jihadi John" (not McCain) is mentally ill and should be given help rather than droned to death?

No. Drone the cnut. And all his little pals.

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 02:33AM

Nodin wrote: »

...in the article you posted..........you may have missed it in the excitement of seeing "Jew" up near the top.

"He had suffered a “huge breakdown” following the death of his girlfriend, Ciallella said, and moved in with his mother. She, however, had a stroke and Leonelli’s sister had taken over the house, allegedly forcing him to move to his father’s home and later a student house.
Leonelli’s former colleague had agreed to take him in over the summer months, housing him in a building separate to the main house, although became aware of his increasingly strange behaviour.
“One day I saw him training in the garden and doing strange somersaults...he had a knife in his hand. When he saw that I was watching him, he hid himself as if he was a thief,” Ciallella said.
In two months Leonelli never left the house and would pass almost all of his time in his room, “surrounded by energy drinks”.
Despite early reports that Martseniuk was murdered after she rejected Leonelli’s advances, Ciallella ruled this out and said he rarely entered the main house where the maid slept.
He did, however, say that he had been contacted by Martseniuk the night before she was murdered, with a text message that read: “I’m scared of Federico.” Ciallella said he only saw the message on Sunday morning, when she was killed, and thought phone calls he received later that day from friends about the crime were “a joke”.
http://www.thelocal.it/20140826/man-who-beheaded-maid-wanted-to-fight-hamas

So, who is the medical expert you or his friend? Or do you not know what proof means?

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 02:44AM

endacl wrote: »

No. Drone the cnut. And all his little pals.

Personally, I am ok with that. I am not the one saying we should be making allowances for possible mental health issues with heinous violent crimes.

What the religious Zealots of ISIS/Woolwich have done with Rigby/the two Americans is no worse than what the religious Zealot fanatically obsessed with Zionism has done (stabbed a woman 40 times and .then chopped her head off with an axe).

Both events should be handled the same or similar by the media and officialdom yet the contrast couldn't be greater. NOT A SINGLE MAINSTREAM NEWS REPORT OF THIS HORRENDOUS CRIME HAS BEEN SHOWN TO EXIST - NOT ONE!

WilyCoyote · 09-09-2014 02:45AM

Supergurrier wrote: »

My god is more peaceful and loving than your god.

I will kill you in his name !

Also Lizard people

That you David?

Brown Bomber · 09-09-2014 02:45AM

Esel wrote: »

I see more than a pattern - to me, it looks like a conspiracy!

We should have a forum on Boards for topics such as this. You can request one via the Feedback forum, afaik. Oh, wait...

I'd appreciate it you would just discuss the topic and dropped the humourless wisecracks.

WilyCoyote · 09-09-2014 02:53AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

He may have a history of mental illness but until his identity is established we don't know. The radical mosques target people with mental health problems and people who are already criminals because they are easier to brainwash. One of the Michael's had mental health problems as reported in the English media.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lee-rigby-murder-how-killers-michael-adebolajo-and-michael-adebowale-became-ultraviolent-radicals-9015743.html

The younger man, Adebowale, 22, had a history of mental illness, claiming to hear the voices of spirits in prison. He suffered a breakdown after seeing a fellow teenage drug-dealer cut to pieces by a paranoid crack addict who claimed his victim was an al-Qa'ida terrorist bent on blowing up the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent.

A latter day Jesus, Mohammed, John Smith, David Koresh or Fred Phelps (deceased)

Karl Stein · 09-09-2014 03:05AM

Zamboni wrote: »

If this murder was carried out by a nut job who happened to be Muslim, Sky News and the red tops would be gushing it out.

Oh you bet it would.

Dozen Wicked Words · 09-09-2014 03:07AM

If it had been an English woman who was murdered there would have been press. Just as there was when the expat English woman was murdered in the supermarket in Spain by the Eastern European man with mental health problems.

It highlights the British press care most about British citizens, one or two British dying in one way or another will get more coverage than terrible disaster in the third world or somewhere even when 100s die.

My home town in England was scene of murder where all four members of the same family were hacked to death, two teenage girls and their parents. The murderer fled to Morocco and was eventually caught and brought back.

Barely registered on any news bulletins and only merited a couple of minutes on local news.

The family were Chinese (although having lived in UK for years), I suspect the coverage would have been different with an "English" family.

The beheading of the journalists was part of an ongoing conflict, was video recorded and most recently, in the 2nd video, threatened the life of British hostage next. IS have also committed mass murder in Iraq and Syria.

In short, there definitely is an issue with how the
Press cover different events but I'm not convinced it's a pro Jewish stance.

Esel · 09-09-2014 03:12AM

I suppose it would be too much to expect a reply to my question in post #69 above? Please don't SHOUT if/when you do.

Humourless wisecracks, nice one. Sometime, somewhere, someone laughed though... You have to be able to laugh at futility, because in Soviet Russia, futility laughs at yuo.

Canis Lupus · 09-09-2014 03:33AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'd appreciate it you would just discuss the topic and dropped the humourless wisecracks.

You don't really want to discuss it though do you? You just want to tell us how we all hate muslims when it's the jews that are the real problem, right?

Esel · 09-09-2014 04:59AM

Naw, it goes much deeper than that. Deeper than your pay grade, maaan.

Balmed Out · 09-09-2014 07:33AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

2 Muslim extremists beheads someone in Woolwich. The world stands still. The media is swamped with wall-to-wall coverage of the brutal attack.

Yesterday a Zionist Jew beheads a woman in Rome. As far as I can tell there is not a single mainstream report in English. What is going on?

2 Muslim extremists do it in public whilst forcing others to record it as a stated act of war against Britain and it gets a lot of coverage especially in Britain.

A Zionist Jew did it for unknown reasons without being recorded etc and it doesn't get a lot of attention outside of Italy.

Regardless of religion can you really not see which is the big news story?

Now as to you possibly being somewhat anti semetic?

Why not mention the muslim man who beheaded the christian old lady in Britain a week or so ago? He did it in private for non terrorist reasons too and it didn't garner a whole load of news attention outside of the UK.

porsche959 · 09-09-2014 07:38AM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Why not mention the muslim man who beheaded the christian old lady in Britain a week or so ago? He did it in private for non terrorist reasons too and it didn't garner a whole load of news attention outside of the UK.

He was allegedly a Muslim convert but the MSM behaved reasonably responsibly (with the exception of the Scum, but let's ignore them) in not bigging this aspect up as his actions seemed to have nothing to do with his religion but more to do with mental illness.

Woolwich I think was different as they seemed to be motivated by jihadist propaganda at least to some extent.

Balmed Out · 09-09-2014 08:01AM

porsche959 wrote: »

He was allegedly a Muslim convert but the MSM behaved reasonably responsibly (with the exception of the Scum, but let's ignore them) in not bigging this aspect up as his actions seemed to have nothing to do with his religion but more to do with mental illness.

Woolwich I think was different as they seemed to be motivated by jihadist propaganda at least to some extent.

Thats it exactly and the same with Rome, Woolwich was a different story. The mystery is really anti semitism and why some people want to attack Jew's / Israel over anything they possibly can, ends up just discrediting a lot of criticism that is often merited.

humanji · 09-09-2014 09:22AM

OP, contact the local media and ask them why they didn't run with the story. That'll save us all a lot of bother next time.

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