1 in 1000 Irish Muslims are jihadi fighters

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2014 08:15PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

How many Irish people support the death penalty for leaving one of the Christian faiths? Bit of a difference in supporting the death penalty for someone convicted of murder and someone for leaving Islam.

So did the IRA and INLA speak for all Irish people when they committed atrocities?

end of the road · 06-09-2014 08:17PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

I am sure there are plenty of moderate Muslims in Denmark but it did not prevent violence over a few cartoons. Where were the moderates when the Rotherham rapes were happening? Do the moderates live in France's 700+ no-go zones? Did the moderates prevent the bombing the Jewish community centre in Malmo? Did the moderates save Theo Van Gogh? Did the existence of moderates change the rape statistics in Oslo? Did the existence of moderates prevent infiltration of the Birmingham school system? Where were the moderate Muslims when 34 Irish based Muslims decided to go over to the middle east and wage Jihad?

Here's a pew research poll on Muslims and their support for Sharia Law amongst other things: http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2013/04/blogs/graphic-detail/20130504_gdc518_0.png

An awful lot of them don't seem very moderate to me. A lot more than a 'tiny minority'.

and what did you do to stop any of this? ah yes. nothing.

shruikan2553 · 06-09-2014 08:18PM

Oh and the holocaust, the Christians supported killing millions of Jews.

The_Valeyard · 06-09-2014 08:21PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Oh and the holocaust, the Christians supported killing millions of Jews.

Yeah they really did as millions of Christians were persecuted and many thousands executed during the holocaust. I'm sure Polish Catholics and German protestants would agree with your ramblings.

shruikan2553 · 06-09-2014 08:23PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Yeah they really did as millions of Christians were persecuted and many thousands executed during the holocaust. I'm sure Polish Catholics and German protestants would agree with your ramblings.

This is no place for logic, the Christian and Islamic hiveminds are against that sort of thing.

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 09:07PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So did the IRA and INLA speak for all Irish people when they committed atrocities?

Did the IRA and INLA kill due to a religous ideology?

Highflyer13 · 06-09-2014 09:33PM

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, all religious practices and preaching outside peoples own homes needs to be banned as soon as possible. Tell me a time that religion has done any good over the ages? The Catholic church has destroyed many lives in Ireland. We in Ireland should be the first to make this step of an outright banning of religious practices in public and possibly it will spread across Europe as we enter this dangerous era.

The_Valeyard · 06-09-2014 09:39PM

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Ive said it before and I'll say it again, all religious practices and preaching outside peoples own homes needs to be banned as soon as possible. Tell me a time that religion has done any good over the ages? The Catholic church has destroyed many lives in Ireland. We in Ireland should be the first to make this step of an outright banning of religious practices in public and possibly it will spread across Europe as we enter this dangerous era.

Yes keep your religion inside your home
Keep your sexuality inside your home
Keep your political opinion inside your home
Keep your ethical viewpoint inside your home
Keep your views hidden from those who wish to control you .

Your views are as dangerous as Isis

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 09:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

and what did you do to stop any of this? ah yes. nothing.

You seem to dislike religion. That's your prerogative. But why do you support the importation of people with the most extreme religion of all? Surely some contradiction there.

Billy86 · 06-09-2014 09:52PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You seem to dislike religion. That's your prerogative. But why do you support the importation of people with the most extreme religion of all? Surely some contradiction there.

Christians have been here for ages.

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 09:55PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Christians have been here for ages.

Ok. We have had enough religous extremism in this country. No need to import more of it.

Billy86 · 06-09-2014 09:57PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Ok. We have had enough religous extremism in this country. No need to import more of it.

Then we have to as well refuse entry to anyone of any religion.

end of the road · 06-09-2014 09:57PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You seem to dislike religion. That's your prerogative. But why do you support the importation of people with the most extreme religion of all? Surely some contradiction there.

because like any religion. not everyone who practices it is an extremist terrorist nut. as the irish go to other countries and have done for years, complaining about people coming here is hypocritical. we can't talk about extremism in other religions when similar nonsense happened here. realistically irish society wasn't much better.

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 10:00PM

Let's see how the rest of Europe is getting along with their Muslim populations.

Sharia patrols on the streets of Germany: http://www.dw.de/locals-concerned-as-sharia-police-patrol-streets-of-german-city/a-17904887

A Danish mosque announces it's support for the ISIS: http://www.thelocal.dk/20140902/danish-mosque-express-support-for-isis//

Finnish Somalians beg the powers that be to stop their kids from joining the ISIS: http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_somalis_help_us_prevent_isis_from_recruiting_our_youth/7456635

That's just from today. Europe has a huge problem on its hands here. Ignoring it won't make it disappear.

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 10:01PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Then we have to as well refuse entry to anyone of any religion.

I'd support that.

end of the road · 06-09-2014 10:19PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Let's see how the rest of Europe is getting along with their Muslim populations.

Sharia patrols on the streets of Germany: http://www.dw.de/locals-concerned-as-sharia-police-patrol-streets-of-german-city/a-17904887

A Danish mosque announces it's support for the ISIS: http://www.thelocal.dk/20140902/danish-mosque-express-support-for-isis//

Finnish Somalians beg the powers that be to stop their kids from joining the ISIS: http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_somalis_help_us_prevent_isis_from_recruiting_our_youth/7456635

That's just from today. Europe has a huge problem on its hands here. Ignoring it won't make it disappear.

yeah. a few nutters. if the security services do their jobs properly there will be no issue. nobody is ignoring anything. but they aren't getting hysterical over it either, because there is no point. plenty of legislation to deal with extremists

end of the road · 06-09-2014 10:22PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

I'd support that.

yeah. you would support no migration then. got it. should all the irish be sent home and stoped from entering countries also? or are we special because were the diddely i irish, shur were mighty craic begorra begosh?

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 10:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

yeah. a few nutters. if the security services do their jobs properly there will be no issue. nobody is ignoring anything.

Sure, yeah. Just like in Rotherham and Rochdale.

EunanMac · 06-09-2014 10:23PM

unkel wrote: »

That's worryingly high. The figure for the UK is 1 in 6000, for the US 1 in 25000

]Article in Irish Independent, based on CNN research[/URL]

Wondering why the figure is so high here? The article doesn't have any suggestions (for those of you who haven't read it)

1 in 1000 are terrorist supporting provos and dissidents,there is no big outcry about that either

ahmdoda · 06-09-2014 10:37PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Sure. Here is a pew research poll asking of muslims, among other things, their opinions on stoning for adultery, and their support for killing anyone that happens to leave the faith: http://i.imgur.com/vQkIN.jpg

No other religion has the same number of people with extreme beliefs. They don't give up these beliefs at the backage carousel at Dublin airport either btw.

Before criticizing anything educate your self first about it first instead of making your judgement on the plain text alone.
Stoning for adultery is a punishment for the married man/women because fornication is a heinous act that destroys homes and families especially for someone who's already blessed with a wife.
During the prophet time there are only 2 recorded cases were people were stoned for adultery because they them self came forward out of guilt and testified against them self I invite you to actually study these 2 cases to understand how implementing the punishment is never recommended in Islam.
Under normal circumstances however 4 pious witnesses are required that all see the act and I mean explicitly see Pennsylvania & Virginia making contact to testify,which is practically impossible unless the act is done in public.

Islam want to prevent the act in the first place by imposing strict rules and punishments that prevent people from even contemplating it,
as for killing the apostate this can only be done in an Islamic state by the Imam/ruler once he deems the person a danger to the state if he tries to attack the state and spread his beliefs in the Muslim community otherwise you are free to believe what you want.
If any Muslim tells you that he is against killing the apostate and stoning the adulterous married man/women once the strict condition have been met then he/she is not a Muslim.
There is more to Sharia law then punishment and more to Islam then Sharia law go read about it from a credible source not something like answering-Islam or wiki-Islam

end of the road · 06-09-2014 11:05PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Sure, yeah. Just like in Rotherham and Rochdale.

what the hell has Rotherham got to do with this. my post stated "if the security forces do their jobs there will be no issue" . so the statement being "if they actually do their jobs" . the relevant authorities in Rotherham didn't do their jobs.

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 11:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

what the hell has Rotherham got to do with this. my post stated "if the security forces do their jobs there will be no issue" . so the statment being "if they actually do their jobs" . the relevant authorities in Rotherham didn't do their jobs.

And why was that?

book_seller · 06-09-2014 11:23PM

ahmdoda wrote: »

Before criticizing anything educate your self first about it first instead of making your judgement on the plain text alone.
Stoning for adultery is a punishment for the married man/women because fornication is a heinous act that destroys homes and families especially for someone who's already blessed with a wife.
During the prophet time there are only 2 recorded cases were people were stoned for adultery because they them self came forward out of guilt and testified against them self I invite you to actually study these 2 cases to understand how implementing the punishment is never recommended in Islam.
Under normal circumstances however 4 pious witnesses are required that all see the act and I mean explicitly see Pennsylvania & Virginia making contact to testify,which is practically impossible unless the act is done in public.

Islam want to prevent the act in the first place by imposing strict rules and punishments that prevent people from even contemplating it,
as for killing the apostate this can only be done in an Islamic state by the Imam/ruler once he deems the person a danger to the state if he tries to attack the state and spread his beliefs in the Muslim community otherwise you are free to believe what you want.
If any Muslim tells you that he is against killing the apostate and stoning the adulterous married man/women once the strict condition have been met then her is not a Muslim.
There is more to Sharia law then punishment and more to Islam then Sharia law go read about it from a credible source not something like answering-Islam or wiki-Islam

very reassuring indeed

end of the road · 06-09-2014 11:32PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

And why was that?

i'd imagine because they were incompetent

RobYourBuilder · 06-09-2014 11:38PM

end of the road wrote: »

i'd imagine because they were incompetent

The full report is available online. There is a thread on it that included a link to the report. A thread that you posted on.

Did you miss the reasoning as to why the relevant authorities ignored the goings in Rotherham?

end of the road · 06-09-2014 11:57PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The full report is available online. There is a thread on it that included a link to the report. A thread that you posted on.

Did you miss the reasoning as to why the relevant authorities ignored the goings in Rotherham?

i don't believe i ever posted on that thread

getzls · 07-09-2014 10:12AM

ahmdoda wrote: »

B
Stoning for adultery is a punishment for the married man/women
During the Child molesting prophet's time.

Why is a Man buried for stoning to his waist and a Woman is buried to her chest?

Less chance of escaping?

Horrid Woman hating religion, as can be seen by the cases in Rotherham.

Has no place in our modern society.

Billy86 · 07-09-2014 11:16AM

getzls wrote: »

Horrid Woman hating religion, as can be seen by the cases in Rotherham.

Well hey, Christianity as a religious hates blacks. I mean just look at what we've seen going on in the deep south of the USA with the Ku Klux Klan.

And then there's the whole BBC child abuse controversy, caused by a bunch of white Christians. That's before bringing up the politicians they still seem to be tip toeing around investigating relating go the Elm Guest House.

getzls · 07-09-2014 11:31AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Well hey, Christianity as a religious hates blacks. I mean just look at what we've seen going on in the deep south of the USA with the Ku Klux Klan.

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Christianity does not hate Black people.
I am a Christian and if i see God i expect Him to be Black.

And do you think Jesus would support the actions of the KKK?:rolleyes:

Shakespeare's Sister · 07-09-2014 11:50AM

Billy86 wrote: »

Well hey, Christianity as a religious hates blacks. I mean just look at what we've seen going on in the deep south of the USA with the Ku Klux Klan.

And then there's the whole BBC child abuse controversy, caused by a bunch of white Christians. That's before bringing up the politicians they still seem to be tip toeing around investigating relating go the Elm Guest House.

Ah here, Christianity hates black people? The BBC child abusers' religion was of relevance?
I am fully in agreement with not demonising all Muslims but to say fundamentalist Christianity (which can be dreadful obviously) is as bad as sharia is pretty dishonest.
I'd still prefer to be a woman living in the Bible Belt than in Somalia.

1 in 1000 Irish Muslims are jihadi fighters

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