1 in 1000 Irish Muslims are jihadi fighters

nokia69 · 05-09-2014 05:51PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Do you really think they're just going to let ISIS members back into Western countries? Not a chance, they'll be arrested on terrorism charges once it becomes known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting

it happened already, and the french police only caught this ISIS member by chance

Hotfail.com · 05-09-2014 05:51PM

truffle5 wrote: »

LOL

Gotta love that level of debate.

Heroditas · 05-09-2014 05:53PM

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

i have a question...what are we going to do when they want to come back?

There's no guarantee they want to come back. They've gone out there to fight to set up a Caliphate. It's their idea of a perfect society, they wouldn't want to come back to infidel Ireland.
Many who do want to come back are those who went out with some romantic notion in their head and have been sickened and disillusioned with what they have experienced - a classic example of the grass not always being greener on the other side.

There's a very good article on it in this week's Economist.

Hotfail.com · 05-09-2014 05:54PM

nokia69 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting

it happened already, and the french police only caught this ISIS member by chance

The person I was replying to seemed to be insinuating that the authorities were going to leave known ISIS members re-enter western countries no questions asked, which isn't true.

truffle5 · 05-09-2014 05:57PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Gotta love that level of debate.

What debate? There is no debate on boards.

I need to go now but I'll leave you with this quote from Noam Chomsky (the lefties seem to love him):
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum".

Palmach · 05-09-2014 07:12PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

The last census said nearly 50000 Muslims lived here... when was that, 2011? 65000 sounds like a good estimate.

Still too many.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-09-2014 07:16PM

Palmach wrote: »

Still too many.

Why?

When you see the words 50,000 Muslims what goes through your mind?

humanji · 05-09-2014 07:30PM

truffle5 wrote:

What debate? There is no debate on boards.

I need to go now but I'll leave you with this quote from Noam Chomsky (the lefties seem to love him):
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum".

"As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid."

- Adolf Hitler

kowloon · 05-09-2014 07:43PM

So Ireland has enough Islamic extremists to fill a minibus?

Donkey Oaty · 05-09-2014 08:56PM

Best comment I have seen on this whole jihadi issue is from a recent Private Eye cartoon, which for me really hits the nail on the head.

http://i.imgur.com/li5iHIS.jpg?1

bb1234567 · 05-09-2014 09:00PM

Frynge wrote: »

If that is the case it should read that Ireland has 30 jihadist and not 1:1000 Muslims are jihadist.

Why all the Muslim fearmongering of late there was never any "1:1000 irish Catholics are pedofiles" headlines.

Im almost sure I read a headline fairly recently that 1 in 20 Catholic priests were paedophiles, actually

Phoebas · 05-09-2014 09:14PM

truffle5 wrote: »

Simply unbelievable. The statistics are staring you in the face and the PC brigade still dismiss it as nothing. Facts are waycist now too, yes? I hope your loved ones never suffer at the hands of these jihadi scum.

The report says 'foreign fighters'. The headline says 'jihadis'.
We don't have statistics; we have hyperbole.

Grab All Association · 05-09-2014 10:04PM

This is AH so we need a bad guy.

I say http://scandasia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Deport-sign_CI.jpg them all.

AlekSmart · 05-09-2014 10:16PM

Fallschirmjager wrote: »

We can all try and wash the figures whatever way we want.

The reality is what are they going to do when they finish up jihad in syria/iraq/libya and increasingly jordan? they will have spent years butchering shia muslims, christians, jews, men, women and children. i cant see them arriving back and passing through duty free thinking, 'wow, that was a helluva trip, now lets get back to the auld sod'.

You can be as progressive as you like and fob off the figures, but these are guys who simply believe at the most basic level that if you are not the same sunni muslim group, you are kafir and i quote 'To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers'.

Now I am sure there any many muslims who dont believe that however i am not concerned about them-- these guys in IS obviously do and i am concerned about them and if you arent, you should be.

Now before you all start trying to have a different argument and sideline this and give strawman arguments, i honestly do not care which side of the fence you are politically...

I have a question...what are we going to do when they want to come back?

Why Fallschirmjaeger,they become authors of course !....

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/03/irish-sam-hossam-al-najjar-soldier-libya-syria-book.html#

Housam Najjair, also known as "Irish Sam," discusses his forthcoming book and his experiences waging war against former Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, writes Ali Hashem.

"When I returned to Ireland the authorities here realized who and what I represent. I'm not extreme in any of my beliefs or ways, I believe in the middle road in everything in life and I think they gathered that fact very soon when profiling me." He added "being born and reared here I know my Irish half's history is steeped in revolution and nearly a decade ago we had gone through a similar process which has proven to them that revolution is a necessity to gain one's independence and sovereignty."

A real page turner I'll wager....with some interesting comments from the Sniper/Author himself on future instalments

Nodin · 05-09-2014 10:18PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Why Fallschirmjaeger,they become authors of course !....

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/03/irish-sam-hossam-al-najjar-soldier-libya-syria-book.html#
A real page turner I'll wager....with some interesting comments from the Sniper/Author himself on future instalments

More vague xenophobia and innuendo?

AlekSmart · 05-09-2014 10:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

More vague xenophobia and innuendo?

Only for speed-readers....

06-09-2014 04:07AM

They hate us for our Freedoms.

Palmach · 06-09-2014 11:42AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why?

When you see the words 50,000 Muslims what goes through your mind?

What goes through my mind is that the numbers will increase. You wait till there is 200,000 and then we will have the same problems as the other countries who have let Muslims in in large numbers.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2014 11:44AM

Palmach wrote: »

What goes through my mind is that the numbers will increase. You wait till there is 200,000 and then we will have the same problems as the other countries who have let Muslims in in large numbers.

So you are afraid of people of a different religion?

shruikan2553 · 06-09-2014 11:45AM

Palmach wrote: »

What goes through my mind is that the numbers will increase. You wait till there is 200,000 and then we will have the same problems as the other countries who have let Muslims in in large numbers.

Catholics can't even breed that fast

Palmach · 06-09-2014 11:46AM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Best comment I have seen on this whole jihadi issue is from a recent Private Eye cartoon, which for me really hits the nail on the head.

http://i.imgur.com/li5iHIS.jpg?1

A ridiculous cartoon. When did Islam lead in medicine art and science? 800 years ago? Says it all about the desperation on the part of the multi cultis to whitewash what is a serious threat.

Palmach · 06-09-2014 11:48AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you are afraid of people of a different religion?

Of the people no. Of the fanatics and extremists and their wealthy Gulf benefactors yes.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2014 01:30PM

Palmach wrote: »

Of the people no. Of the fanatics and extremists and their wealthy Gulf benefactors yes.

Every religion has these

Do you envision hordes of fanatics sweeping across the continent beheading at will?

Palmach · 06-09-2014 01:54PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Every religion has these

Do you envision hordes of fanatics sweeping across the continent beheading at will?

Not every religion has them. Hindus and Sikhs, who are generally brown skinned and from the same geographic area, don't cause trouble. You don't see them demanding special treatment. Or setting up parallel court systems and in general not integrating.

Nodin · 06-09-2014 01:58PM

Palmach wrote: »

Not every religion has them. Hindus and Sikhs, who are generally brown skinned and from the same geographic area, don't cause trouble. You don't see them demanding special treatment. Or setting up parallel court systems and in general not integrating.

Other than campaign to be allowed wear the turban, carry the kirpan, and the odd bit of plane bombing, you're absolutely right.

Mark Tapley · 06-09-2014 02:00PM

truffle5 wrote: »

Simply unbelievable. The statistics are staring you in the face and the PC brigade still dismiss it as nothing. Facts are waycist now too, yes? I hope your loved ones never suffer at the hands of these jihadi scum.

Blah blah hate , pc brigade, boo hoo, again.

shruikan2553 · 06-09-2014 02:44PM

Palmach wrote: »

Not every religion has them. Hindus and Sikhs, who are generally brown skinned and from the same geographic area, don't cause trouble. You don't see them demanding special treatment. Or setting up parallel court systems and in general not integrating.

I dont see how we can expect them to integrate when we want them to go to their own schools

Palmach · 06-09-2014 03:16PM

Nodin wrote: »

Other than campaign to be allowed wear the turban, carry the kirpan, and the odd bit of plane bombing, you're absolutely right.

They wear Turbans and carry Kirpans. It doesn't stop them integrating. Sikhs have been fighting the Indian government on and off for decades. People fight each other all the time. What is unique is the Islamic injunction fight all Muslims.

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I dont see how we can expect them to integrate when we want them to go to their own schools

Precisely.

Billy86 · 06-09-2014 04:05PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Best comment I have seen on this whole jihadi issue is from a recent Private Eye cartoon, which for me really hits the nail on the head.

http://i.imgur.com/li5iHIS.jpg?1

It's kind of funny (in an odd, not haha way) how the more "modern, traditionalist, extremist" form of Islam you always here about came around, and is only over the last few decades. Apparently it began/was 'reborn' in Saudi Arabia under Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab in the 1700s but stayed on the fringes until around the 1950s/60s (a response to Israel being reestablished, in part?) when it became more prominent in Saudi Arabia but still not internationally - also the Ottomans were quite dominant and opposed to this version of Islam, so their fall played a role.

Then the oil money started rolling in to Saudi Arabia, and from the late 70s into the 80s so much of this money was put into Wahhabi literature, mosques, school, etc that many of the other forms became just completely over matched in terms of output. I think I read recently that the Wahhabi version of the Koran in that time was being published at a higher rate than all other other versions combined, by a wide margin.

The thing was though, while they were favouring a traditional, more fundamental style of Islam, it was never intended as extremism. They essentially created a Frankenstein that got hijacked by extremists in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in '79/80, and also in response to the rise of Christian fundamentalism that was largely on the rise in the US under Reagan and was (and is) also very extremist in certain areas, plus the imperialist approach that the US took many parts of Africa as well as the Middle East.

Basically, Ronald Regan is one of the greatest things to ever happen to the Islamic extremist movements, and so too was Bush Jr. Not only did they give many reasons for a "call to arms" but also played played a major role in developing a "natural enemy" for them in terms of Christian fundamentalism.

And all of that is in no small part as a result of the Cold War, McCarthyism, and the battle for the Middle Eastern oil fields between the USA and USSR. went off topic a bit but always find it interesting how interconnected the USA/USSR/middle East and fundamentalist Christianity, fundamentalist Islam, and what was viewed as a "Godless" Soviet Union are connected.

Timberrrrrrrr · 06-09-2014 04:47PM

Palmach wrote: »

Not every religion has them. Hindus and Sikhs, who are generally brown skinned and from the same geographic area, don't cause trouble. You don't see them demanding special treatment. Or setting up parallel court systems and in general not integrating.

You're wrong

EVERY religion has its fanatics

Sikh

ht tp://m.liveleak.com/view?i =62e_1356288681

Hindu

ht tp://hinduextremism.wordpress.co m/about/

ht tp://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18488/will-radicals-succeed-in-making-india-for-hindus-only/

There are even violent fanatical buddhists

ht tp://thediplomat.com/2014/07/the-rise-of-buddhist-nationalism-in-sri-lanka/

1 in 1000 Irish Muslims are jihadi fighters

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