is Hollywood dying off?

Snake · 04-09-2014 09:16PM #1

First goes Robin Williams.. Then Sir Attenborough.. Now Joan Rivers all within what 2 weeks? Conspiracy me thinks. Celebrity serial killer maybe?

FloatingVoter · 04-09-2014 09:19PM

Snake wrote: »

First goes Robin Williams.. Then Sir Attenborough.. Now Joan Rivers all within what 2 weeks? Conspiracy me thinks. Celebrity serial killer maybe?

David Attenborough was 89. Joan rivers 81. Sad to see them go but not exactly grounds for a conspiracy theory.

House of Blaze · 04-09-2014 09:19PM

Not dying off.. Just being transformed into a gray goo of sh**tiness over time.

KungPao · 04-09-2014 09:20PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

David Attenborough was 89. Joan rivers 81. Sad to see them go but not exactly grounds for a conspiracy theory.

That's what THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!

KungPao · 04-09-2014 09:23PM

I don't think the younger actors have the "aura" of the previous generations and the money men only invest in dead cert cash cows (killing creativity), so in a way the whole "hollywood" thing isn't quite as awesome as it once was.

So when the old guard is gone, it won't be the same a tall a tall.

Mint Aero · 04-09-2014 09:25PM

Saw the thread title and immediately thought of the rise of netflix and the many tv series dominating Hollywood viewermanship, thought wow, good thread, wow should be great discusses for the masses then opened and you just pooed all over it op.

SilverScreen · 04-09-2014 09:27PM

I honestly wouldn't mind if it did. Most of my favourite films have nothing to do with Hollywood's plastic culture.

smash · 04-09-2014 09:29PM

House of Blaze wrote: »

Not dying off.. Just being transformed into a gray goo of sh**tiness over time.

In fairness, Joan had enough work done that if you dug her up in 30 years she'd look the same.

The Peanut · 04-09-2014 09:34PM

KungPao wrote: »

I don't think the younger actors have the "aura" of the previous generations and the money men only invest in dead cert cash cows (killing creativity), so in a way the whole "hollywood" thing isn't quite as awesome as it once was.

So when the old guard is gone, it won't be the same a tall a tall.

This makes a lot of sense.

My Dad loved going to the "pictures", as he called it. He lived in a world of no TV: then black and white tv and only one channel. He grew up in a world of John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and Humprey Bogart. He went to the cinema to be transported to the wild west or North Africa. The actors had an aura, a mystique about them.

The world was slower, media was different. Every detail of their lives was not broadcast across the interweb or the papers. They seemed more than ordinary people, more special.

That age is gone. They have to prostitute themselves as media whores to sell the products. We see so many aspects of their lives that the sense of mystery is gone. Pity. It's not real but it did act as a sense of wonder, for me certainly when I was younger too.

The Strawman Argument · 04-09-2014 09:37PM

KungPao wrote: »

I don't think the younger actors have the "aura" of the previous generations

Only in that the media has changed in such a way that it just isn't possible anymore to cultivate that kind of aura. The kinds of roles allowed now probably play a part too (e.g. Phillip Seymour Hoffman has an outstanding collection of performances behind him, but when half of them involve him as a desperate schlub who likes to masturbate, he's not gonna command the same kind of aura as a Humphrey Bogart).
Movie stars will always be a thing, but they'll also be constantly evolving and at increasingly rapid speeds. Very few are gonna be able to string together enough hits in a row that also have some level of critical respectability to be regarded as a true great on a mainstream level.

A lot of the still-working older people's reps will almost certainly return to their previous highs once they retire/die (e.g. when DeNiro dies, people are gonna be revisiting Raging Bull far more than Grudge Match. Will be a lot easier to remember that he was really f*cking good then)

wazky · 04-09-2014 09:38PM

Hollywood isn't dying off, old people are dying off.

Tilly · 04-09-2014 09:39PM

Richard.

Killer Wench · 04-09-2014 09:40PM

I was deeply saddened by Lauren Bacall's death, also.

dr.bollocko · 04-09-2014 09:46PM

Every one keeps spending money going to ****ing Michael bay movies and super hero movies. Why would Hollywood try harder when you can piss out some dross and make hundreds of millions? TV is improving and movies from the traditional studios are often paint by numbers exercises. I'm sure the cycle will change when it stops working.

LorMal · 04-09-2014 09:51PM

I actually thought you referring to how it seems movies are not as good anymore. I think the 70s were the peak for Hollywood.
For example, the best film nominees 1976 Jaws, one flew over the cuckoos nest, Barry Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Nashville......all incredible movies.

wretcheddomain · 04-09-2014 09:54PM

Hollywood died a long time ago - the actors and actresses that made it are all yet to die though.

House of Blaze · 04-09-2014 09:57PM

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Hollywood died a long time ago - the actors and actresses that made it are all yet to die though.

Namely Robert Deniro and Jack Nicholson!

bnt · 04-09-2014 10:12PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

David Attenborough was 89. Joan rivers 81. Sad to see them go but not exactly grounds for a conspiracy theory.

KungPao wrote: »

That's what THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!

I don't think that David Attenborough, just back from the funeral of his brother Richard, wants you to think that he's dead ..!

Sam Kade · 04-09-2014 10:14PM

Does this mean Joan Rivers autographs will go up in value

FloatingVoter · 04-09-2014 10:44PM

bnt wrote: »

I don't think that David Attenborough, just back from the funeral of his brother Richard, wants you to think that he's dead ..!

Whoops :rolleyes: They were probably both used to that mistake.

hotmail.com · 04-09-2014 10:46PM

Lauren Bacall too.

Harry Palmr · 04-09-2014 10:49PM

When Clint dies they might as well turn off the lights and dismantle the Hollywood sign.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-09-2014 11:04PM

They don't even party like they used to, where are all the hellraisers gone?

castletownman · 04-09-2014 11:11PM

The death knell in Hollywood's coffin was the invention of 3D. In fact, it's over use has ruined cinema as a whole.

hotmail.com · 04-09-2014 11:13PM

Kirk Douglas is outliving all of them.

The Peanut · 04-09-2014 11:17PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Kirk Douglas is outliving all of them.

I'd say Catherine Zeta-Jones is seriously pissed with the genes in that family. She assumed she'd be well out of there by now.

wendell borton · 04-09-2014 11:22PM

Burn hollywood, burn.

Turpentine · 04-09-2014 11:23PM

castletownman wrote: »

The death knell in Hollywood's coffin was the invention of 3D. In fact, it's over use has ruined cinema as a whole.

What, in the 50s? There's been a few good films since then.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-09-2014 11:28PM

castletownman wrote: »

The death knell in Hollywood's coffin was the invention of 3D. In fact, it's over use has ruined cinema as a whole.

Yeah they're too reliant on throwing obscene amounts of money on visuals while neglecting the plot, script and character development.

Still some good things getting made, but this stuff dominates the box office.

Highflyer13 · 04-09-2014 11:29PM

Watched Braveheart earlier and Saving Private Ryan yesterday and it got me thinking how crap movies have become the last 10 years or so. They just dont make movies like they once did.

AndonHandon · 04-09-2014 11:39PM

Vacuous, self-important, shallow and phoney; oh wait, I thought this was a thread about being a Northsider (Dublin) chugging along on the Dublin Society scene with a hairdresser on the arm, S.S. Haircut, beard and I have actually forgotten what my point was.

is Hollywood dying off?

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