School Religion Out Out Out

Vandango · 04-09-2014 01:21PM

Mr_Red wrote: »

School Religion Out Out Out

Are you a reincarnation of Maggie by any chance?

I Heart Internet · 04-09-2014 01:21PM

Mr_Red wrote: »

IS it time to remove all religious activities and Religious teaching from school
(Not counting History classes)

No. No it's not.

Irish Guitarist · 04-09-2014 01:23PM

I loved religion class. It was forty minutes of doing almost nothing.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that liked a break from the likes of maths class. I wonder did anyone actually hate religion when they were in school or are they just complaining because whining about the Catholic church is the done thing now.

If I had been given the choice of getting rid of one class in school it would have been PE.

shruikan2553 · 04-09-2014 01:39PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I loved religion class. It was forty minutes of doing almost nothing.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that liked a break from the likes of maths class. I wonder did anyone actually hate religion when they were in school or are they just complaining because whining about the Catholic church is the done thing now.

If I had been given the choice of getting rid of one class in school it would have been PE.

Because the church has done nothing wrong that has cone to light recently.

Paramite Pie · 04-09-2014 01:46PM

Private Religious Schools are a far bigger worry -- I'd rather keep religion in a place where we can monitor it.

Ninjini wrote: »

I think if there is a religion class it should teach about all major religions.

Outline the core beliefs, how the religions are practiced etc.

Not just focus on learning Catholic prayers and sacraments to recite.

In fairness, I believe this is the current curriculum. Whether it's being taught or not in every school is a different story....

I Heart Internet · 04-09-2014 02:09PM

Ninjini wrote: »

Not just focus on learning Catholic prayers and sacraments to recite.

Sacraments aren't recited.

krudler · 04-09-2014 02:39PM

I'm all for teaching about religions, the origins, beliefs, effect son society and history etc. But not the drivel we used to learn about Adam & Eve and talking snakes and men living in whales. That nonsense has no place being taught to kids.

AdolfHipster · 04-09-2014 02:42PM

Should replace it with "Movementarians 101" and learn further about our glorious leader!

ScumLord · 04-09-2014 02:43PM

conorhal wrote: »

Dr Selim wants:

Islamic Holidays to be marked and celebrated
Special days off for Muslim children
Schools to actively participate in Ramadan by raising funds for "the needy"

Up to here, I have no problem. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging Muslim holidays and the raising funds for ramadan is a good thing.

I do think we need a religion class, religion has been too important to human civilization to just ignore it's existence in our schools. It criss crosses through everything from history to science.

I think in many ways you could see religion as a beta version of science in that it was asking the same questions just going about it in a different way, but even so I think it was a fundamental part of developing the human condition. It brought just as much good into the world as it did bad and made people aware of the fact there was a bigger picture outside of themselves and they're societies.

I do think a religion class that looks at the history of religion would probably lead to more people turning to atheism. When the facts are laid out in front of people they're not going to buy into the dogma as easily.

Crumpets · 04-09-2014 02:47PM

When I was primary school, we were made learn passages from the Bible and go up to the top of the class and recite them. :eek: And you wouldn't have a bull's notion what you were saying.

shruikan2553 · 04-09-2014 02:53PM

Crumpets wrote: »

When I was primary school, we were made learn passages from the Bible and go up to the top of the class and recite them. :eek: And you wouldn't have a bull's notion what you were saying.

Did you get to learn the beattitudes? Cant remember what they were or what they were form but I remember having the learn them.

krudler · 04-09-2014 02:54PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I do think a religion class that looks at the history of religion would probably lead to more people turning to atheism. When the facts are laid out in front of people they're not going to buy into the dogma as easily.

Exactly, children are a lot easier to sell religion to. That's what the churches motto has always been "get 'em while the're young", which a few people took a bit too literally.

I Heart Internet · 04-09-2014 02:57PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Did you get to learn the beattitudes? Cant remember what they were or what they were form but I remember having the learn them.

Blessed are..

....the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. (5:3)
....those who mourn: for they will be comforted. (5:4)
....the meek: for they will inherit the earth. (5:5)
....those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be filled. (5:6)
....the merciful: for they will be shown mercy. (5:7)
....the pure in heart: for they will see God. (5:8)
....the peacemakers: for they will be called children of God. (5:9)
....those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:10)

Good stuff!

Pherekydes · 04-09-2014 03:00PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Blessed are..
....the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. (5:3)

....those who mourn: for they will be comforted. (5:4)

....the meek: for they will inherit the earth. (5:5)

....those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be filled. (5:6)

....the merciful: for they will be shown mercy. (5:7)

....the pure in heart: for they will see God. (5:8)

....the peacemakers: for they will be called children of God. (5:9)

....those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:10)

Good stuff!

Matthew 9:9 is my favourite.

osarusan · 04-09-2014 03:02PM

I liked Matthew 3 Luke 1.

Great game.

The_Valeyard · 04-09-2014 03:08PM

We learned about all cultures and religions in school RE. Think some of the posters do not realise that things have moved on in second level schooling.

And anyway militant secularists will not be happy until religion is treated like a mental illness to be cured.

mrty · 04-09-2014 03:09PM

It should be removed from society....

The_Valeyard · 04-09-2014 03:10PM

mrty wrote: »

It should be removed from society....

Then who is next? The communists , the Jews ?

catallus · 04-09-2014 03:13PM

It is amusing seeing Luddite-like people dismiss religious belief and calling for it to be "taken out of society" when the reality on the ground the world over is that faith is growing strong and providing the majority of people with communities and strong familial bonds.

It occurs to me that secularists just can't help but see what they want to see.

Berserker · 04-09-2014 03:15PM

mrty wrote: »

It should be removed from society....

You must be another one of those "all-respecting" atheists.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

We learned about all cultures and religions in school RE. Think some of the posters do not realise that things have moved on in second level schooling.

Yep, I am in my 30s and our RE covered all religions. I am not RC myself and some RC parents took exception to that fact that other religions were being discussed but they soon pipped down when the young RC Chaplin in our school, who thought us RE told them that he felt that it was best to educate young children about all religions. That young man was years ahead of his time by the sounds of things.

OP, why is it ok to include it in history classes, might I ask?

Ghost Buster · 04-09-2014 03:46PM

catallus wrote: »

It is amusing seeing Luddite-like people dismiss religious belief and calling for it to be "taken out of society" when the reality on the ground the world over is that faith is growing strong and providing the majority of people with communities and strong familial bonds.

It occurs to me that secularists just can't help but see what they want to see.

But developing countries to be exploited are becoming scarce.

Tiddlypeeps · 04-09-2014 03:49PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

We learned about all cultures and religions in school RE. Think some of the posters do not realise that things have moved on in second level schooling.

And anyway militant secularists will not be happy until religion is treated like a mental illness to be cured.

There is a lot more teaching about other religions in school these days but in the vast majority of schools christianity is thought as the "right" one, in rural primary schools in particular. They spend an awful lot of time preparing for communion and confirmation that could be spent on things that are much more useful. It's a waste of time and is isolating to those who don't follow christianity. There is no need for this to be done on school time.

A big issue with it too is that it's very dependant on the particular teachers involved. You can still get teachers who believe in burning in hell for all eternity, preach abstinence and/or claim evolution is bollox and god knows what else. This is perfectly acceptable in the current system because the it's the schools ethos.

Carson10 · 04-09-2014 03:58PM

I think religion no longer has a place in schools along with Irish. Iam not saying I disagree with religion or irish, but I feel its time to 'close the book' on these subjects.

Any parents who wish their children to learn such subjects should do so in their own time. e.g. Saturday morning Irish club for an hour etc...

Its like teaching college students how to use a typewriter to prepare them for business.

A lot of these religion classes are only their to accommodate teacher numbers, or to create hours for a teacher who only teaches P.E or something.

krudler · 04-09-2014 04:22PM

Berserker wrote: »

You must be another one of those "all-respecting" atheists.

Yep, I am in my 30s and our RE covered all religions. I am not RC myself and some RC parents took exception to that fact that other religions were being discussed but they soon pipped down when the young RC Chaplin in our school, who thought us RE told them that he felt that it was best to educate young children about all religions. That young man was years ahead of his time by the sounds of things.

OP, why is it ok to include it in history classes, might I ask?

I'd imagine learning about the historical signifigance of religion, religious leaders etc is valid for school learning. Telling kids a man lived in a whale isn't.

ScumLord · 04-09-2014 04:29PM

Berserker wrote: »

OP, why is it ok to include it in history classes, might I ask?

Why wouldn't it be ok? The only reason for not teaching the history of religion to to avoid the historical facts getting in the way of scripture.

Carson10 wrote: »

I think religion no longer has a place in schools along with Irish. Iam not saying I disagree with religion or irish, but I feel its time to 'close the book' on these subjects.

Closing the book on religion would be like closing the book on history. It simply can't be ignored, all that would be gained by ignoring religion in schools is rampant and unchecked religious dogma outside of school.

Irish should always be available in schools, and encouraged. They still teach latin in some schools so the argument it's a dead language just doesn't hold weight with me. As long as there's some people speaking it, it's alive. Ignoring it again would be ignoring a large chunk of Irish history.

diomed · 04-09-2014 04:48PM

osarusan wrote: »

I liked Matthew 3 Luke 1.
Great game.

Heineken 3-0 Jimmy was also good

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-09-2014 05:11PM

Ninjini wrote: »

I think if there is a religion class it should teach about all major religions.

Outline the core beliefs, how the religions are practiced etc.

Not just focus on learning Catholic prayers and sacraments to recite.

This is how it's taught in Secondary schools. Take a look at a Leaving Cert RE paper online, the syllabus is quite broad.

boostenergy · 04-09-2014 05:29PM

I would never want that, it is the main thing that divides up the communities in Northern Ireland, if all the young ones mixed together there would be more inter marriages,

intermarriage in n.ireland = a cultureless society

children who have both catholic/protestant parents are quite cultureless from my experience

it sounds strange but it is the truth

shruikan2553 · 04-09-2014 05:31PM

boostenergy wrote: »

I would never want that, it is the main thing that divides up the communities in Northern Ireland, if all the young ones mixed together there would be more inter marriages,

intermarriage in n.ireland = a cultureless society

children who have both catholic/protestant parents are quite cultureless from my experience

it sounds strange but it is the truth

Pipe bombs are far more cultured than peace.

boostenergy · 04-09-2014 05:43PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Pipe bombs are far more cultured than peace.

This has nothing to do with bombs, if someone has family from both sides of the cultural divide they are less likely to take up any of the cultures due to not wishing to offend either side of the family.
Well apart from soccer, my neighbours cousins always used to wear their Rangers and England shirts to their house (in a 90%) catholic townland, inter-marriage just leads to problems that people can do without.

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