Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

Raif Severance · 01-09-2014 11:22PM

I don't get the Welbeck Deal. Unlike most here, I actually Rate him.

I think this one will come back to bite Man U.

5starpool · 01-09-2014 11:24PM

Vicxas wrote: »

So its 11, whats the deal with the Falcao to UTD now?

From the Guardian.

Clubs sometimes conclude deals at the last minute and it is not always easy for them to get everything completed and sent over by 11pm. The deal sheet allows a club to confirm that a deal has been reached in order to allow for additional time to submit the remaining documentation.

The sheet cannot be used prior to 9pm and needs to arrive fully completed before the transfer window closes. Once the sheet arrives, clubs have got until 1am in which to submit the full paperwork. But if a club are looking to complete an international transfer, it still has to comply with the FIFA Transfer Matching System (TMS) deadline of midnight.

So that suggests Manchester United have until midnight UK time (about 45 minutes) while Arsenal have until 1am UK time.

Cyrus · 01-09-2014 11:25PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

Indeed

Overpaying double for a left winger that doesn't fit your formation, buying two left backs for new centre backs and paying 20m + in wages in fees to loan a cf you don't need and who wants to be at Madrid is something to gloat about :cool:

LuckyLloyd · 01-09-2014 11:26PM

Falcao will be done, this stuff happens all the time.

Knex* · 01-09-2014 11:27PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

Here's a ridiculous gif that I once found, as a sort of thank you present for your ridiculous post.

mosstin · 01-09-2014 11:27PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Sturridge only scored 30 goals in 134 apps before he went to Liverpool. Welbeck is a fantastic bit of business.

I doubt even Jim White would stretch to calling it a "fantastic" bit of business.

niallo27 · 01-09-2014 11:28PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

I don't get the Welbeck Deal. Unlike most here, I actually Rate him.

I think this one will come back to bite Man U.

He is a striker that doesn't score goals. I know there is more to his game but arsenal are crying out for a natural goalscorer.

Slattsy · 01-09-2014 11:28PM

There's nothing ridiculous about that gif, its an awesome gif, those cute doggyy woggies.

whatawaster · 01-09-2014 11:29PM

Manutd_4life wrote: »

LOL

2 points from as easy a start as you could hope for.

LOL.

djPSB · 01-09-2014 11:29PM

gafferino wrote: »

Negredo gone to Valencia

Would we have been interested if we hadn't already signed Balo?

Chucky the tree · 01-09-2014 11:30PM

Shame United didn't sign these attacking options earlier in the summer. They've have only lost 4-1 to MK Dons then.

Knex* · 01-09-2014 11:33PM

Slattsy wrote: »

There's nothing ridiculous about that gif, its an awesome gif, those cute doggyy woggies.

The photobomb at the end gets me every time.

Raif Severance · 01-09-2014 11:34PM

niallo27 wrote: »

He is a striker that doesn't score goals. I know there is more to his game but arsenal are crying out for a natural goalscorer.

He maybe a Striker, but he's rarely been played as one.

I made a Post awhile back, comparing him to Sturridge, though I'm too lazy to Find it now.

But the Gist of it, is that I think Welbeck has the same Tools as Danny has, except he doesn't have a Manager that makes the Best use of it.

Danny is Fortunate that he has BR, a Manager that has Faith in him. Rather than Shunt him wide to accomodate Suarez, he played them both as Co-Strikers with equal billing.

Welbeck isn't as Fortunate. He always plays 2nd Fiddle to either Rooney and/or RVP out Wide.

We'll see, but I think he'll Flourish in Arsenal.

Utopia Parkway · 01-09-2014 11:38PM

Raif Severance wrote: »

He maybe a Striker, but he's rarely been played as one.

I made a Post awhile back, comparing him to Sturridge, though I'm too lazy to Find it now.

But the Gist of it, is that I think Welbeck has the same Tools as Danny has, except he doesn't have a Manager that makes the Best use of it.

Danny is Fortunate that he has BR, a Manager that has Faith in him. Rather than Shunt him wide to accomodate Suarez, he played them both as Co-Strikers with equal billing.

Welbeck isn't as Fortunate. He always plays 2nd Fiddle to either Rooney and/or RVP out Wide.

We'll see, but I think he'll Flourish in Arsenal.

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

Fizman · 01-09-2014 11:39PM

Alderweireld is a Southampton player!?

niallo27 · 01-09-2014 11:40PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

Ya I agree. Sturridge has a touch of fowler about him he is a natural finisher. Wellbeck doesn't have that in his game.

Vicxas · 01-09-2014 11:40PM

Fizman wrote: »

Alderweireld is a Southampton player!?

Yep, loan deal for the year.

Good bit of business from Southampton

Raif Severance · 01-09-2014 11:42PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Sturridge was always a good finisher though even before he came to Liverpool (when he was given the chance).

I don't think Welbeck is a good finisher even on the odd occasion when he's had his chances up front.

We had Fans saying that about Suarez, on his 2nd Season with us, and well look at him now.

Finishing can definitely be Improved.

flanzer · 01-09-2014 11:42PM

Toby Alderweireld has signed for Southampton on a season loan. Our feeder club testing him in the Premier League for a year before he joins us :pac:

5starpool · 01-09-2014 11:44PM

I don't think Welbeck will exactly flourish, but I think he will do alright given a run of games in his preferred position which is not something he got at utd really. I hope though that he does as well as the last player (I think) to go to Arsenal from utd, Silvestre.

klose · 01-09-2014 11:46PM

Very happy with the window bar a keeper coming in cant have asked for much more really, on paper we are set for the present and future bar gerrard really but thats a bridge we will cross when we come to it.

Grayditch · 01-09-2014 11:47PM

My Levy's got no money,
He's got his Stambouli.

Vicxas · 01-09-2014 11:49PM

klose wrote: »

Very happy with the window bar a keeper coming in cant have asked for much more really, on paper we are set for the present and future bar gerrard really but thats a bridge we will cross when we come to it.

The Valdes deal can be completed whenever as hes a free agent.

Demosthenese · 01-09-2014 11:50PM

Welbeck doesn't have the composure in front of goal to be talked about in the same sentence as Sturridge right now. He has the same scoring record of a Shane Long or perhaps a Carlton Cole ... nothing to be worried about. Sure scoring can be improved upon simply with games and the number of chances that can be made for him at Arsenal - but watching the guy at the moment there is little evidence to suggest that he is anything more than a human battering ram type player with limited ability in front of goal. Whatever about Moyes/LVG i'd suggest that Fergie rarely got this type of thing wrong, when you are used as a defencive wideman when your position is centre forward then the writing is on the wall.

One thing for sure is at Arsenal he will get chances and Wenger can play to his strengths ... i wouldn't be too surprised if he had a decent season for them but i'd be shocked if he got anywhere near the type of scoring stats that Sturridge has.

smileyj1987 · 01-09-2014 11:53PM

Danny welbeck 26 games for sunderland and he scored 6 goals . Danny Sturrigde at bolton 12 games played and he scored 8 goals . That says it all to me they would have been played in their preferred positions at a young age and Sturrigde shined for Bolton while welbeck wasn't great at all .

Rayne Wooney · 01-09-2014 11:54PM

Sturridge before Liverpool and Welbeck have pretty similar goal scoring stats for what it's worth

I think United are tired of waiting though at this stage, he is the same as he was 3 years ago. Needs 10 chances to score 1

If he ends up doing a Sturridge it still doesn't change United being right to sell him on now

Peist2007 · 01-09-2014 11:56PM

Sturridge is better than Welbeck but i still think a run for Welbeck in his preferred position would push him on big time. He has a good touch and can cause problems to even the biggest teams. Scored in the Bernabeau (iirc) and gave Bayern a good run for their money in the Champions League last season. His athleticism and good touch are difficult for even top players to deal with

smileyj1987 · 01-09-2014 11:57PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Sturridge before Liverpool and Welbeck have pretty similar goal scoring stats for what it's worth

I think United are tired of waiting though at this stage, he is the same as he was 3 years ago. Needs 10 chances to score 1

If he ends up doing a Sturridge it still doesn't change United being right to sell him on now

Both went on loan spells and welbecks was a pretty bad one if you ask me . I don't think he is top drawer striker he is medioocre at best and will give you work rate and not too much else .

Speak Now · 01-09-2014 11:58PM

Actually Welbeck looks like your typical Wenger player, will be decent but not prolific id imagine. Good deal for united pricewise.

Rayne Wooney · 01-09-2014 11:58PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Both went on loan spells and welbecks was a pretty bad one if you ask me . I don't think he is top drawer striker he is medioocre at best and will give you work rate and not too much else .

It doesn't matter really, they both still have similar goal scoring stats regardless of whether you think one had a better loan spell than the other

Welbeck is known for his awful finishing but so was Sturridge before Liverpool too

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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