Transfer Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread - Summer 2014 - Mod note in OP

Utopia Parkway · 01-09-2014 01:11PM

CSF · 01-09-2014 01:13PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Rojo covered as LB for Argentina but he's actually a CB. He's only 24. Who considered him a weak link? You? 'Widely known' pfff
Blind (24) & Herrera (25) are not even in there prime yet. How can you possibly pass judgement and make 'statements' about the quality of these players?

There was plenty of talk about Rojo being the weaklink before the World Cup. Have a look.

I can possibly pass judgement and make statements from having watched them play, Blind less than Herrera but Herrera ridiculously regularly, Bilbao are/were a pretty constant fixture on Sky.

But fine, someone said something negative about the club you support, they must be wrong.

That_Guy · 01-09-2014 01:16PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Keegan-esque.

Kharrell · 01-09-2014 01:21PM

CSF wrote: »

There was plenty of talk about Rojo being the weaklink before the World Cup. Have a look.

I can possibly pass judgement and make statements from having watched them play, Blind less than Herrera but Herrera ridiculously regularly, Bilbao are/were a pretty constant fixture on Sky.

But fine, someone said something negative about the club you support, they must be wrong.

United fan here, and based on the World Cup, I wasn't impressed with Rojo I must say. Feel like we could have done much better on that one and Herrera too. Happy with Blind though going by what I've heard and read about him for Ajax playing as the DM.

CSF · 01-09-2014 01:24PM

Kharrell wrote: »

United fan here, and based on the World Cup, I wasn't impressed with Rojo I must say. Feel like we could have done much better on that one and Herrera too. Happy with Blind though going by what I've heard and read about him for Ajax playing as the DM.

I'd be in agreement about Blind being the better of the 2 alright. Not a bad player. I just think that with United's current setup they should have been looking for someone of Falcao's quality for Blind's position and viceversa (well obviously you want the highest quality possible I mean moreso in terms of wagebracket).

swoody · 01-09-2014 01:26PM

Bart Simpson signs for Zenit....

http://en.fc-zenit.ru/main/news/ct3/58820.html

RayCun · 01-09-2014 01:31PM

CSF wrote: »

There was plenty of talk about Rojo being the weaklink before the World Cup. Have a look.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/06/12/argentina-world-cup-2014-preview/

yeah, they said here he'd be the weak link in the defence because he's a CB being played at LB

CSF · 01-09-2014 01:34PM

RayCun wrote: »

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/06/12/argentina-world-cup-2014-preview/

yeah, they said here he'd be the weak link in the defence because he's a CB being played at LB

Not the only reason though. He generally wasn't particularly highly rated in Argentina or Portugal until United showed an interest. You won't find a single person on this forum who was looking for Rojo for their team before that.

But now that he has joined United, some United fans are unwilling to accept rational arguments when it comes to their players because if United signed them they must be great.

RayCun · 01-09-2014 01:36PM

CSF wrote: »

Not the only reason though. He generally wasn't particularly highly rated in Argentina or Portugal until United showed an interest. You won't find a single person on this forum who was looking for Rojo for their team before that.

But now that he has joined United, some United fans are unwilling to accept rational arguments when it comes to their players because if United signed them they must be great.

the Guardian rated him, recommended him for Chelsea and Liverpool
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/15/world-cup-2014-transfer-transfers-premier-league
a month before he signed for United

CSF · 01-09-2014 01:41PM

RayCun wrote: »

the Guardian rated him, recommended him for Chelsea and Liverpool
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/15/world-cup-2014-transfer-transfers-premier-league
a month before he signed for United

That doesn't change the fact that he generally wasn't particularly rated and I'm sure you're well aware of that fact.

inforfun · 01-09-2014 01:46PM

Corholio wrote: »

Lisbon fans didn't really rate Rojo all that much when he was there. I definitely think United could have done better at centre back, and still probably need another one. Blind is quality but United massively overpaid for Herrera, he's a good player but again I think United could have done a little better.

He really isnt.
The guy was almost let go on a free 2 seasons ago from Ajax. If it wasnt for Boilesen, their leftback, being so injury prone, Blind would now play for an utrecht or groningen iin Holland.

2 good passes in the WC don't make a player quality, it was the receivers of those passes that made the pass great.

His luck at Utd is, just like at Ajax, there is no fit competition for him.

swoody · 01-09-2014 01:47PM

Cristante (AC Milan) to Benfica for €6M

Corholio · 01-09-2014 01:50PM

inforfun wrote: »

He really isnt.
The guy was almost let go on a free 2 seasons ago from Ajax. If it wasnt for Boilesen, their leftback, being so injury prone, Blind would now play for an utrecht or groningen iin Holland.

2 good passes in the WC don't make a player quality, it was the receivers of those passes that made the pass great.

His luck at Utd is, just like at Ajax, there is no fit competition for him.

Saw Ajax a good few times last year and he looked excellent. Of course I know you'd watch the Dutch league more so I'd take your opinion stronger, will be interesting to see how he gets on so.

Kharrell · 01-09-2014 01:53PM

CSF wrote: »

I'd be in agreement about Blind being the better of the 2 alright. Not a bad player. I just think that with United's current setup they should have been looking for someone of Falcao's quality for Blind's position and viceversa (well obviously you want the highest quality possible I mean moreso in terms of wagebracket).

Definitely. If it was a question over Falcao or say Vidal, who I do believe was available for the right price with Blind being our backup option for him. I'd take Vidal pretty much every time myself. Obviously Vidal has his injury concerns, but I'd rather take a punt on him than Falcao, despite Van Persie's injury.

I feel many of my fellow supporters who use Liverpool as an example of a team's attack leading them to the top 4, or even a title push look at things too simply in this case anyway. Rodgers brand of football is about pace and movement. Our attack has movement, sure, but pace? Di Maria, Rafael and Shaw are quick. I'm struggling after that. Suppose if Rooney is bothered, he can still be quick, but he seems incapable of trapping a football half the time right now, let alone making bursting runs. Valencia and Young quick, but unfortunately not very good. Falcao has never been quick, likewise Van Persie these days really. Intelligent, but not quick.
I've been critical of Welbeck in the past, but the team so far this season in the league has looked much better with Welbeck in it.

Kharrell · 01-09-2014 01:54PM

inforfun wrote: »

He really isnt.
The guy was almost let go on a free 2 seasons ago from Ajax. If it wasnt for Boilesen, their leftback, being so injury prone, Blind would now play for an utrecht or groningen iin Holland.

2 good passes in the WC don't make a player quality, it was the receivers of those passes that made the pass great.

His luck at Utd is, just like at Ajax, there is no fit competition for him.

Ajax fans say he was excellent at DM last season.

Kirby · 01-09-2014 01:55PM

Sergio Canales to Villa apparently. Good signing if they can pull it off....

CSF · 01-09-2014 02:03PM

Kharrell wrote: »

Definitely. If it was a question over Falcao or say Vidal, who I do believe was available for the right price with Blind being our backup option for him. I'd take Vidal pretty much every time myself. Obviously Vidal has his injury concerns, but I'd rather take a punt on him than Falcao, despite Van Persie's injury.

I feel many of my fellow supporters who use Liverpool as an example of a team's attack leading them to the top 4, or even a title push look at things too simply in this case anyway. Rodgers brand of football is about pace and movement. Our attack has movement, sure, but pace? Di Maria, Rafael and Shaw are quick. I'm struggling after that. Suppose if Rooney is bothered, he can still be quick, but he seems incapable of trapping a football half the time right now, let alone making bursting runs. Valencia and Young quick, but unfortunately not very good. Falcao has never been quick, likewise Van Persie these days really. Intelligent, but not quick.
I've been critical of Welbeck in the past, but the team so far this season in the league has looked much better with Welbeck in it.

I think one of the key things to Liverpool's attack last season was the balance they had anyway. United do seem to lack that, they've 5 world class (or thereabouts) attacking players now, and only one of them has any real pace to speak of. Falcao is a great player don't get me wrong, just not convinced he is an amazing signing for United in their current state. He'll score goals once United get themselves together, of that I'm sure. But so would Rooney and Van Persie.

CSF · 01-09-2014 02:04PM

Kirby wrote: »

Sergio Canales to Villa apparently. Good signing if they can pull it off....

Where has he been lately?

Gbear · 01-09-2014 02:07PM

Kharrell wrote: »

I feel many of my fellow supporters who use Liverpool as an example of a team's attack leading them to the top 4, or even a title push look at things too simply in this case anyway. Rodgers brand of football is about pace and movement. Our attack has movement, sure, but pace? Di Maria, Rafael and Shaw are quick. I'm struggling after that. Suppose if Rooney is bothered, he can still be quick, but he seems incapable of trapping a football half the time right now, let alone making bursting runs. Valencia and Young quick, but unfortunately not very good. Falcao has never been quick, likewise Van Persie these days really. Intelligent, but not quick.
I've been critical of Welbeck in the past, but the team so far this season in the league has looked much better with Welbeck in it.

While the quality and pace of the attack last season was certainly a factor and it can be enough to coast past teams that just lie down and accept they're going to lose, if a team gets in your face (like Leicester did to Arsenal) it can choke the life out of the attack.

A huge amount of what went right for Liverpool started in midfield with the work rate of Allen, Henderson and even Coutinho.
The blitzkrieg sort of tactics that got us a crazy number of early goals were as a result the entire front 6 working their balls off.

Di Maria certainly fits in that mould. It remains to be seen whether the rest of Utd's front 2/3rds are capable of something similar or dealing with it when teams try to impose it on them.

Danger781 · 01-09-2014 02:14PM

Kirby wrote: »

Sergio Canales to Villa apparently. Good signing if they can pull it off....

Which would seem to imply that they're no longer interested in Cleverley... Please no I don't want to be stuck with him any longer :eek:

CSF · 01-09-2014 02:19PM

Danger781 wrote: »

Which would seem to imply that they're no longer interested in Cleverley... Please no I don't want to be stuck with him any longer :eek:

They play very different positions. One would hope from a Villa perspective that they're not mutually exclusive and that if Cleverley doesn't happen, someone else will.

swoody · 01-09-2014 02:32PM

Doria (Botafogo) heading to Marseille

swoody · 01-09-2014 02:46PM

loads of reports in the last hour saying that moutinho might be heading to united as well for 15M

Andersonisgod · 01-09-2014 02:48PM

inforfun wrote: »

He really isnt.
The guy was almost let go on a free 2 seasons ago from Ajax. If it wasnt for Boilesen, their leftback, being so injury prone, Blind would now play for an utrecht or groningen iin Holland.

2 good passes in the WC don't make a player quality, it was the receivers of those passes that made the pass great.

His luck at Utd is, just like at Ajax, there is no fit competition for him.

Please refrain from using facts and knowledge gained through watching a player play on a regular basis thus giving you the right to evaluate the quality of the player, there is no room for that here on today of all, irrational, days, transfer deadline day!

Rayne Wooney · 01-09-2014 02:49PM

Falcao apparently said no to Liverpool under pretty much the same terms

I like him already

Ulysses Gaze · 01-09-2014 02:49PM

CSF wrote: »

Where has he been lately?

Real Sociedad.

Did well when he came on last night v Real Madrid.

He would be a good signing for Villa and leaps and bounds ahead of Cleverley.

RayCun · 01-09-2014 02:50PM

yeah, Dutch footballer of the Year last year, they obviously predicted those two good passes :rolleyes:
http://afootballreport.com/post/72079101700/reinvented-by-de-boer-ajaxs-daley-blind
and
http://www.benefoot.net/love-is-blind-profiling-ajax-dutch-stalwart-daley-blind/

Utopia Parkway · 01-09-2014 02:51PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Falcao apparently said no to Liverpool under pretty much the same terms

I like him already

Think he still had strong hopes of going to Madrid then. Never came to fruition.

klose · 01-09-2014 02:51PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Falcao apparently said no to Liverpool under pretty much the same terms

I like him already

Obviously likes having tuesdays and wednesdays off so :pac:

01-09-2014 02:52PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Falcao apparently said no to Liverpool under pretty much the same terms

I like him already

The CL obviously holds no appeal to him.

I'd be shocked if our owners would spend that much on a guy his age and injury record.

That's not saying as a fan I wouldn't have loved to see him sign

Where you read that anyway?

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