Rotherham child sex ring

Ranchu · 26-08-2014 08:26PM

Lapin wrote: »

Couple of years ?

Hillsborough was a quarter of a century ago.

Exposed in the last couple of years though and many are still employed and still not cooperating.

Ranchu · 26-08-2014 08:27PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Have they? I don't think we know. This police force have probably arrested people for pedeophillia.

What we know is they didn't arrest in these cases. In the Irish cases the police were not corrupt but "turned a blind eye" to reports of abuse. In catholic countries that's because it wasn't politically expedient to arrest priests in 1950-1990. Similarly that's the likely explanation here.

Corruption would mean that the entire police force were paid off by child molesters, or complicit in paediophillia themselves.

I may be naive buts that's a more unlikely scenario.

If you turn a blind eye you are complicit and corrupt.

Frank Lee Midere · 26-08-2014 08:29PM

P_1 wrote: »

Right so while we're on the topic of being too simplistic in your arguments....

A warped sub section of a society doing evil things does not imply that the entirety of said society will also do these evil things because they're part of that society.

Culture might matter. Nobody made excuses for the Catholic Church, or indeed Catholics. Plenty have said ( and I don't disagree) that it wasn't just the church but Catholicism - the inability to criticise the church inherent in that catholic society ie a general culture - which could be the problem.

26-08-2014 08:31PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

How the fcuk did the father trying to recover his child, end up getting arrested?? That goes beyond inept, that's fcuking complicit.

My name is URL wrote: »

I cannot wrap my head around that at all. How does it even happen once let alone multiple times?

Candie wrote: »

The girls could have objected to being taken away and complained as such to the cops. Abused kids often identify with their abusers, as a form of Stockholm Syndrome, and possibly with the use of the kind of threats as detailed in the linked article. Terrorised people have difficulty in maintaining a rational perspective

Assuming the girls in question were over 18, of course.

My name is URL wrote: »

But even so, surely police would investigate the matter if the men were genuinely claiming that the girls were their daughters... not just show up, make an arrest and then forget about it.

Mind boggling stuff.

Given how the local council is mentioned a good bit I would assume many of the victims were in care. If so then a parent causing a ruckus is in the wrong no matter what.

Candie wrote: »

It does make you wonder how complicit the police might have been. The certainly dismissed many complaints about Savile over the years.

Nah they're just inept, that's what we have to tell ourselves over and over.

P_1 · 26-08-2014 08:33PM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Culture might matter. Nobody made excuses for the Catholic Church, or indeed Catholics. Plenty have said ( and I don't disagree) that it wasn't just the church but Catholicism - the inability to criticise the church inherent in that catholic society ie a general culture - which could be the problem.

Possibly but one who made that argument for restricting immigration from a certain part of the world would be making a poor argument indeed.

Snake Plisken · 26-08-2014 08:34PM

If it wre my daughters and the police wouldn't help I'd get some of my friends and catch them one by one and cut their bollix off them and let them bleed out, I don't care what race or religion they belong too! Shame on the cops for not stopping this peadophile gang!

deco nate · 26-08-2014 08:47PM

Hootanany wrote: »

I ment these sicko went unchecked because people were afraid that if they said something they would be branded racist.
They are peados plain and simple and i dont like peados.

Hope this is ok.

Not a peadeo case, but do you mean like the case in Ireland were the cops took a kid of a family that they did not believe was thiers? And now the Irish tax payers is footing the compo claim?
And many on here said the cops were in the wrong?
After the fact!

Dame if you do.....
Damed if ya don't!
Eh?

Annasopra · 26-08-2014 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Given how the local council is mentioned a good bit I would assume many of the victims were in care.

It could also be a school. Councils control schools in the UK.

B.A._Baracus · 26-08-2014 08:49PM

What a sick, twisted world we live in. The police should be ashamed of themselves.
But I agree with Snake Plisken above. Calls for vigilante justice.

dxhound2005 · 26-08-2014 08:52PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

If it wre my daughters and the police wouldn't help I'd get some of my friends and catch them one by one and cut their bollix off them and let them bleed out, I don't care what race or religion they belong too! Shame on the cops for not stopping this peadophile gang!

And if it was someone in your own family who was doing it would you mete out the same punishment? It is unfortunately the case that the most common source of child abuse is not from clerics or organised gangs but from within the victims own families.

26-08-2014 08:53PM

Hootanany wrote: »

I ment these sicko went unchecked because people were afraid that if they said something they would be branded racist.
They are peados plain and simple and i dont like peados.

Hope this is ok.

It is, thank you.

I have also made a mental note that the threads you start always have something to do with race. So thank you for that also

Hootanany · 26-08-2014 08:54PM

deco nate wrote: »

Not a peadeo case, but do you mean like the case in Ireland were the cops took a kid of a family that they did not believe was thiers? And now the Irish tax payers is footing the compo claim?
And many on here said the cops were in the wrong?
After the fact!

Dame if you do.....
Damed if ya don't!
Eh?

That little girl was taken by the police not raped by multiple men

Annasopra · 26-08-2014 08:54PM

The report is here

http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

26-08-2014 08:58PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It could also be a school. Councils control schools in the UK.

Cases involving trafficking and all tend to involve plenty of kids in care I thought?

26-08-2014 09:21PM

Tail Docker wrote: »

Child sex ring. Hence likely <18. So the parent finds where his child is being held, causes a scene and the police arrest him and leave the child with her abusers? i really don't care about the semantics, that's just utterly, despicably, stomach churningly wrong on a million levels. There's should be a raft of dismissals. Not fit for purpose.

If the kid is in care then the council is the childs guardian, as far as I know. So maybe that means the father is a trespasser or kidnapper if he shows up and tries take the girl? And then there's the question of what in her background led to her being in care, if that's relevant to the parents.

Warped world we live in all the same.

deco nate · 26-08-2014 09:22PM

Hootanany wrote: »

That little girl was taken by the police not raped by multiple men

Yea, like I said in my post.
Read it again, however. At that stage no one knew what was
Going on.
Dont short cut anything that can happen, at the time no one
Knew anything. But hey, different strokes... Eh..?

Edit :I was talking about the police that tried to help a kid.
You implied that someone in power was involved, i
Was mearly stating that maybe they are afraid of false accusations thus giving them less monies to look at other cases. I think you are jump the gun in saying that some of them are involved.

Hootanany · 26-08-2014 09:35PM

deco nate wrote: »

Yea, like I said in my post.
Read it again, however. At that stage no one knew what was
Going on.
Dont short cut anything that can happen, at the time no one
Knew anything. But hey, different strokes... Eh..?

Edit :I was talking about the police that tried to help a kid.
You implied that someone in power was involved, i
Was mearly stating that maybe they are afraid of false accusations thus giving them less monies to look at other cases. I think you are jump the gun in saying that some of them are involved.

Huh?

1400 children to your 2 children taken for having blonde hair is a bit different.

cletus van damme · 26-08-2014 09:37PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Why not just get outraged at paedophile gangs grooming children? What difference does their ethnicity make?

the synopsis of the report I read early stated explicitly that race was a factor in this being investigated.

The is a fear that it would be deemed racist but also that at a local government level that it would allow far right groups to get a political foothold in the area

This is stated in sections 11.11 ,11.12 & 11.13 of the report under the heading "Political Engagement"

http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2014/08/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham1.pdf

That is PC brigade **** to me.
Afraid that Nick Griffin or the EDL will make hay causing political folk to cover up.
Explain that to me if I'm getting the wrong end

banquo · 26-08-2014 09:41PM

From the article,

"The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.""

ceadaoin. · 26-08-2014 09:44PM

From the report:

Within social care, the scale and seriousness of the problem was underplayed by senior managers. At an operational level, the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime. Further stark evidence came in 2002, 2003 and 2006 with three reports known to the Police and the Council, which could not have been clearer in their description of the situation in Rotherham. The first of these reports was effectively suppressed because some senior officers disbelieved the data it contained. This had led to suggestions of cover- up. The other two reports set out the links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality in the Borough. These reports were ignored and no action was taken to deal with the issues that were identified in them.
In the early 2000s, a small group of professionals from key agencies met and monitored large numbers of children known to be involved in CSE or at risk but their managers gave little help or support to their efforts. Some at a senior level in the Police and children's social care continued to think the extent of the problem, as described by youth workers, was exaggerated, and seemed intent on reducing the official numbers of children categorised as CSE. At an operational level, staff appeared to be overwhelmed by the numbers involved.

Victims were treated with contempt and disbelieved. Shocking to say the least.

Hootanany · 26-08-2014 09:52PM

Like your
These are peados that abused 1400 kids and nothing was done because of scared of being called racist if they raised the alarm.
Now to me me thats messed up thinking.

Shakespeare's Sister · 26-08-2014 09:59PM

Hootanany wrote: »

PC BRIGADE STRIKES AGAIN.

What idiocy. Where's the proof the lack of action was down to fear of being seen as racist?

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Oh For ****'s sake. What an appalling sh1tload of whataboutary.

You guys remind me of the 80 year olds who think the church has been given a hard time.

All they're saying is that there are cases of abuse rings that were run by whites too, yet inaction/cover-ups by the police in those cases also, and this looks like Hootanany doesn't *really* care about the actual case and just wants to rant about immigrants and the "PC brigade" (and same with that other person who was banned) using this case as a way of doing so. "They're afraid of being racist" is a handy accusation to throw, but where's the actual proof? Especially when the same lack of protection of kids has unfortunately materialised in the case of sex abuse rings run by whites.

ceadaoin. · 26-08-2014 10:08PM

Hootanany wrote: »

Like your
These are peados that abused 1400 kids and nothing was done because of scared of being called racist if they raised the alarm.
Now to me me thats messed up thinking.

Well treating victims with contempt and disbelieving their accounts seems like there was more at play than simply fear of being labelled racist. That just seems like a convenient attempt to excuse their ineptitude and to stop people asking the real question of why the investigations were blocked by senior officers.

Annasopra · 26-08-2014 10:12PM

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

What idiocy. Where's the proof the lack of action was down to fear of being seen as racist?

All they're saying is that there are cases of abuse rings that were run by whites too, yet inaction/cover-ups by the police in those cases also, and this looks like Hootanany doesn't *really* care about the actual case and just wants to rant about immigrants and the "PC brigade" (and same with that other person who was banned) using this case as a way of doing so. "They're afraid of being racist" is a handy accusation to throw, but where's the actual proof? Especially when the same lack of protection of kids has unfortunately materialised in the case of sex abuse rings run by whites.

I do think there is an over emphasis by the OP on race issues but to to be fair the report itself does delve into race issues in the executive summary and in chapter 11
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

Harry Palmr · 26-08-2014 10:13PM

Some actual numbers

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/350587

Thus far the majority of convictions obtained against the child sex grooming gangs have been against men of Pakistani origin that have exploited, repeatedly gang-raped and sexually tortured vulnerable young girls over long periods. However, according to the Independent "on-street grooming is not the sole preserve of Asian men" and "the most detailed research on the phenomenon so far found that, in 43 per cent of cases, the abusers were white." Figures cited by the deputy children's commissioner also state that 28 percent of victims are from ethnic minority groups.

Now what's important here is the obvious over representation of British (or British resident) Asians. Whats also important is to note how many girls are in "care" (!)

Royal Legend · 26-08-2014 10:22PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

We get to hate Asians, the police, the UK government, Yorkshire local government, the PC Brigade and paedophiles in the same story.

Something for everyone there.

South Yorkshire police should be disbanded, not the first time they have been found to not be doing their job

Frank Lee Midere · 26-08-2014 10:37PM

Hootany may have previous with race baiting but it's clear from the report that the police were worried about accusations of racism and managers tried to quash reports.

But that police force is long a joke anyway. Responsible for Hilsborough. Major violence during the minors strike.

Seems to be as antipathetic to it's working class locals as ever.

wendell borton · 26-08-2014 10:52PM

I was reading some random thread on one of the regional forums on here on boards, where the op described the perpetrators of an attempted robbery on themselves. It didn't take long for someone to come along and accuse racism.

SnakePlissken · 26-08-2014 11:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have also made a mental note that the threads you start always have something to do with race. So thank you for that also

Bit of a snide remark no? What are you trying to infer with your misleading statement?

woodoo · 26-08-2014 11:16PM

banquo wrote: »

From the article,

"The report found: "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.""

And the left wingers are still trying to say that its not a problem. They are part of the problem. Ready to jump down someones throat even when kids are in danger. I'd say some are more upset race was mentioned than kids being raped. They can be very strange heartless people.

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