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Persevering to achieve success.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    I think the problem people have with you is that your tone is not very endearing and you can be a bit condescending towards others.

    You could simply say that you worked hard, did well in college, got a good job and are happily married but instead you boasted about how greatly successful you are and how you have everything, in a thread about a man's long hard struggle to what some would see as moderate success but that is enormous to that person.

    Not that I have a problem with your success, it sounds quite interesting and I wish you further success in the future.

    While I'd agree that the tone is rather 'haughty', I don't see what the problem is in general. Dude has done well for himself. You see others celebrating their success in the fitness forum, athletics forum, the various university forums. Some people like to measure their achievements based on where they are in their career.

    There is this mealy-mouthed jealousy that always seeps into threads like this. The Union of Online Miserable Bastards resenting any bit of success. An almost perverse S&M thing where their need for outrage involves them visiting threads that will invariably cause their outrageometer to go off the charts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    I think the problem people have with you is that your tone is not very endearing and you can be a bit condescending towards others.

    You could simply say that you worked hard, did well in college, got a good job and are happily married but instead you boasted about how greatly successful you are and how you have everything, in a thread about a man's long hard struggle to what some would see as moderate success but that is enormous to that person.

    Not that I have a problem with your success, it sounds quite interesting and I wish you further success in the future.

    I guess you don't make it to the top by making friends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    I guess you don't make it to the top by making friends.

    You're some smug bastard!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭groucho marx


    I walked in the snow to me free car to get me dole

    I may be lying


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭pharmaton


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Nothing particularly outstanding that would mean anything to anyone else, but those successes after refusing to give up have meant everything to me personally -

    I'm from this school. I'm still persevering, I'm the most persevering preserverist ever, though tbf I've had some amazing company over the last year which has been great motivation. Some people are truely inspirational and I'm glad to have met them along the way. That's my success story so far but it makes me happy :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    Do ya know what though, success is all relative.

    I could rattle off a list of achievements that could sound exceptional to someone else, but to me, has sort of been the result of luck or privilege or a combination of both. Did well at school, good degree, great job in a tough industry, lived in various different countries, the odd sporting or educational accolade as a kid etc etc.

    The things that I'd be most proud of though would be the personal struggles that I overcame, that many other people wouldn't relate to or that I simply wouldn't bring up in conversation because they'd provoke awkwardness or discomfort or a sort of 'blank' response in other people.

    I went through an eating disorder as a teenager and I've dealt with residual body image issues ever since. Quite often getting through a day without obsessing or beating myself up or under-eating or over-eating is ten times the achievement that getting a high-flying job could ever be, because academia and career success has come quite easily to me by comparison.

    Equally I have a friend who writes and stages plays at various festivals in his spare time, pens the most extraordinarily smart and humorous scripts that he's had great success with in the TV industry. He really has a creativity that most people can hardly fathom, but sometimes for him getting out of bed and deciding not to end it all is the very definition of success and perseverance and is unparalleled than any other accomplishment because he suffers with depression.

    So I don't tend to judge others on whatever list of 'accomplishments' they may or may not seem to have. Some things come easily to people; not so easily to others. Sometimes it's the very simplest things that most other people take for granted - like feeding yourself, or getting out of bed - that can be the accomplishment of a lifetime to someone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭dellas1979


    Well, I graduated from college. Couldnt get a job in what I wanted (as most people dont).

    I worked in random jobs for 6/7 years, while still trying. I then worked full time, studied part time, I applied to the place where I work now, multiple times, until one day, someone whom I worked for for free at the time (again to try get my foot in the door), took a chance on little olde me, and recommended me to the place. Am there 4 years now.

    Thats why in my mind set I dislike all this bullin' and bawlin' over "Im a graduate I deserve a job in what I studied" milarkey. If you believe you are good enough, but not getting the opportunities (I know some just fall into people's laps), just keep tryin.

    Ironically, after getting that job, it was "Ouuu look at her and her fancy job"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    There is this mealy-mouthed jealousy that always seeps into threads like this. The Union of Online Miserable Bastards resenting any bit of success. An almost perverse S&M thing where their need for outrage involves them visiting threads that will invariably cause their outrageometer to go off the charts.

    Do you genuinely see any mealy-mouthed jealousy, resentment or outrage towards that poster in this thread?

    There was one suggestion of a lack of healthy humility to which there was a response of "smells like jealousy, spite and bitterness to me" and five other posters suggesting the same.

    The outrage, if any, seems to be going in the other direction to what you're suggesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭The Peanut


    Well, James McGee's success, much like this thread, was very short-lived. He has just been beaten.

    There's a message there for me....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    I persevered through the night cramming for my leaving cert many moons ago. Paid off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I answered the question in the OP. I didn't even go into detail.

    If you don't enjoy my posts then stop following me around like a beggar. Same goes for that URL guy. Seems to be spouting bile in my direction in every thread I post in. Grow up guys.

    Spouting bile? I quoted one of your own bilious posts. I could quote a hundred more too.

    You wreck so many threads with your faux sense of superiority and associated bullshit.. and inherently seem to have the support of your old Thunderdome buddies in doing so.

    Either give up the tired act or get over yourself.. instead of crying foul whenever someone calls you on the bullshit


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭LiveIsLife


    I think the problem people have with you is that your tone is not very endearing and you can be a bit condescending towards others.

    You could simply say that you worked hard, did well in college, got a good job and are happily married but instead you boasted about how greatly successful you are and how you have everything, in a thread about a man's long hard struggle to what some would see as moderate success but that is enormous to that person.

    Not that I have a problem with your success, it sounds quite interesting and I wish you further success in the future.

    A bit condescending would be putting it mildly, previous posts include:
    I'm not hugely in favour of inequality myself. My drive to work in the 5-Series wouldn't be made better by the sight of shoeless plebs begging at street corners.
    I regret to say I was somewhat of a bully to a rather dim lad I went to school with back in the day. Impeccably impersonating his terrible pronounciation in German class etc. Although, in my defence, everyone else laughed along with me, including our teacher and his own cousin.

    He dropped out after the Junior Cert, I left the village immediately after school for university and promptly emigrated after that, so I had not seen him for over ten years before I ran into him one Stephen's Night a few years ago.

    Graciously he forgave me immediately after I had apologised and bought him a pint. I also found out he worked in an Esso service station near my parents' house so I always make sure to pay him a visit and tip him generously for washing the car or checking the tyre pressure. Even though I am almost always driving a rented car.

    It's a small price to pay to compensate for my past transgressions, for putting a little smile on his face and to cheer him up for not being able to escape our little town like I did. I hope he is doing well.
    I live in Germany but I travel back to Ireland fairly often. Though there are much more Plus Size Padlings in Ireland than you'd see on the continent, it's not as anywhere near as bad as the adults.

    I was home for Christmas last winter and ran into some of the ”people” I went to school with for the first time in the best part of a decade. It's incredible to see how quickly they've let themselves go, and they're barely in their 30s: big bulbous bloodshot eyes, massive bellies hanging over their jeans barely contained in their Penney's shirts, huge pink balding heads with high blood pressure.

    They all looked like raging Elmer Fudds. Most of them had stopped getting regular exercise since drinking took over their desire to play Gaelic football back in their early 20s but, really, it was all diet to blame. Supermacs twice or three times a week, fried breakfast every morning and a feed of drink all weekend. One morbidly obese girl I went to school with spends her weekends drinking TWO boxes of Tesco red wine (both nights) and listening to best of the 80s playlists instead of mixing with people, dancing, cycling etc. I had to tell her to sort her life out in front of everyone for her own good.
    Absolutely unrepresentative of the greater Irish population.

    Not even close.

    As a few people have pointed out, its definitely heavily skewed to the younger male, lower income, worker-drone IT class.

    Few outliers obviously, but in the main your average boards user is Male, Atheist (and will point this out at all opportunities), left-wing, socially stunted, late 20s to early 30s, lower-middle to low income, interested in video games/comics/quirky sub-culture etc. , probabaly has bad facial hair and tattoos.

    Looking through some of the comments I'm going back to the troll theory.

    People can spout all they like about Irish begrudgery, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of modesty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    The Peanut wrote: »
    Well, James McGee's success, much like this thread, was very short-lived. He has just been beaten.

    There's a message there for me....

    The first step towards failure is trying. Never try?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Fakman87


    Aongus Von Bismarck gets a lot of hate in pretty much every thread he posts in but I think he's the perfect antagonist for boards. He's either a master troll or a sociopathic bond type villain.

    Given his penchant for men's fashion, good red wine and facial care I'm guessing the latter. In my mind he looks and speaks like Hans from die hard


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭The Peanut


    beks101 wrote: »
    Do ya know what though, success is all relative.

    I could rattle off a list of achievements that could sound exceptional to someone else, but to me, has sort of been the result of luck or privilege or a combination of both. Did well at school, good degree, great job in a tough industry, lived in various different countries, the odd sporting or educational accolade as a kid etc etc.

    The things that I'd be most proud of though would be the personal struggles that I overcame, that many other people wouldn't relate to or that I simply wouldn't bring up in conversation because they'd provoke awkwardness or discomfort or a sort of 'blank' response in other people.

    I went through an eating disorder as a teenager and I've dealt with residual body image issues ever since. Quite often getting through a day without obsessing or beating myself up or under-eating or over-eating is ten times the achievement that getting a high-flying job could ever be, because academia and career success has come quite easily to me by comparison.

    Equally I have a friend who writes and stages plays at various festivals in his spare time, pens the most extraordinarily smart and humorous scripts that he's had great success with in the TV industry. He really has a creativity that most people can hardly fathom, but sometimes for him getting out of bed and deciding not to end it all is the very definition of success and perseverance and is unparalleled than any other accomplishment because he suffers with depression.

    So I don't tend to judge others on whatever list of 'accomplishments' they may or may not seem to have. Some things come easily to people; not so easily to others. Sometimes it's the very simplest things that most other people take for granted - like feeding yourself, or getting out of bed - that can be the accomplishment of a lifetime to someone else.

    This is exactly the kind of post I was hoping to get. Somebody commented earlier that the tennis player's achievement was no big deal; his career was nearly over anyway. But achievements and success are so very relative to each individual. They belong to nobody else and really shouldn't be judges by anyone else.

    I intended to complete a degree 20 years ago but in a very short space of time, 2 of my wife's younger brothers died in very tragic circumstances. All our plans went out the window and our lives changed forever. I stuck in a very-well paying career that I hated as it allowed us to function as a family as best we could.

    I gave up working 3 years ago and I've just graduated with a 1st in my preferred career. I can't change my life, it is what it is. But I feel very proud of myself and my family. It's not boasting. It's pride.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Spouting bile? I quoted one of your own bilious posts. I could quote a hundred more too.

    You wreck so many threads with your faux sense of superiority and associated bullshit.. and inherently seem to have the support of your old Thunderdome buddies in doing so.

    Either give up the tired act or get over yourself.. instead of crying foul whenever someone calls you on the bullshit

    I'm quite perplexed at this tirade to be honest. You don't like me, fair enough. I suggest you put me on ignore, as I'll be doing exactly that to you.

    No idea what the thunderdome buddies is, and I honestly don't care.

    I'm going to have a glass of Weingut F.X. Pichler. I suggest you do whatever it is you do to unwind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    I'm quite perplexed at this tirade to be honest. You don't like me, fair enough. I suggest you put me on ignore, as I'll be doing exactly that to you.

    No idea what the thunderdome buddies is, and I honestly don't care.

    I'm going to have a glass of Weingut F.X. Pichler. I suggest you do whatever it is you do to unwind.

    Pffft. Austrian wine. How very quaint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I'd like a single plum floating in perfume served in a man's hat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    I've been perusing the fortified wine list and I've selected the '71 Hobo's Delight, the '57 Chateau Parté and the '66 Thunder Chevitz. And mix them all together in a big jug.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    LiveIsLife wrote: »
    A bit condescending would be putting it mildly, previous posts include:

    Looking through some of the comments I'm going back to the troll theory.

    People can spout all they like about Irish begrudgery, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of modesty.

    The one about the guy he used to bully and how whenever he's back west now he stops at the Esso Station to give him some business and put a "little smile" on his face -

    cannot be serious


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    The one about the guy he used to bully and how whenever he's back west now he stops at the Esso Station to give him some business and put a "little smile" on his face -

    cannot be serious

    No, it is. Don't be such a typical Irish begrudger. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I'm quite perplexed at this tirade to be honest. You don't like me, fair enough. I suggest you put me on ignore, as I'll be doing exactly that to you.

    No idea what the thunderdome buddies is, and I honestly don't care.

    I'm going to have a glass of Weingut F.X. Pichler. I suggest you do whatever it is you do to unwind.

    Good man. You ignore what you want to ignore. I'll continue to point out obvious bull**** when I see it.

    If what I say on an internet forum perplexes you then your wits are probably not up to scratch for someone that works on 'the cutting edge of finance' in Germany..

    You absolute clown.. Someone in that thread asked if you were a barber =)

    I wouldn't even trust you to hold a razor without freaking out and throwing a wobbler


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    I watched a short documentary on Luke 'Ming' Flanagan on youtube a while ago...

    like him or loath him, he has persevered through thick and thin for a very long time to get where he is today, an MEP in the European Parliament.

    Personally, I like him, and his story of his rise to success is testament to what can be achieved by perseverance, hard work, patience and self-belief.



    *bracing myself for all the comments on smoking hash etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Good man. You ignore what you want to ignore. I'll continue to point out obvious bull**** when I see it.

    If what I say on an internet forum perplexes you then your wits are probably not up to scratch for someone that works on 'the cutting edge of finance' in Germany..

    You absolute clown.. Someone in that thread asked if you were a barber =)

    I wouldn't even trust you to hold a razor without freaking out and throwing a wobbler

    So is it finance, hairdressing or in a circus? This is getting complicated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    The Peanut wrote: »
    Irish tennis player James McGee is on court in the US Open after qualifying for the main draw. Reaching this stage has earned him ca €35,000 which, at 27, is almost 1/4 of his total career earnings to date.

    Admittedly he's not on the breadline but he has persevered a longtime to try and achieve something notable in his career. Any posters out there with tales of persevering a longtime to achieve something notable?


    I'm failing to see any tale of perseverance in this sceal? He plays tennis, he's only 27 and he's in for a bit of luck etc. I'm not goggling this guy. I'm assuming he has a job and tennis is on the side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭The Peanut


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    I'm failing to see any tale of perseverance in this sceal? He plays tennis, he's only 27 and he's in for a bit of luck etc. I'm not goggling this guy. I'm assuming he has a job and tennis is on the side.

    Tennis is full-time career. No other source of income except for sponsorship, which I imagine can't be great. "Only 27" is old on a tennis circuit that has yielded about €140,000 earnings in 10 years.

    You don't think he has persevered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    I'm failing to see any tale of perseverance in this sceal? He plays tennis, he's only 27 and he's in for a bit of luck etc. I'm not goggling this guy. I'm assuming he has a job and tennis is on the side.

    No, he's a professional and Ireland's highest ranking male player at that.

    Given his career earnings (€139,754) and the number of years he's been playing professionally (5), he's been able to make a living, roughly €28,000/year. (According to Wikipedia) Not exactly Rory McIlroy territory and not sure if he has any sponsors or if he pays for his own travel around the world to different tournaments which would eat into his earnings.

    At his age (by no means old), some people may have felt that their best was behind them and given up but he persevered and reached new heights and appears to be on the up. Fair play to him and I hope we see more of him. Maybe 2nd/3rd round of Wimbledon, Centre Court against Andy Murray. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    No, he's a professional and Ireland's highest ranking male player at that.

    Given his career earnings (€139,754) and the number of years he's been playing professionally (5), he's been able to make a living, roughly €28,000/year.

    Nothing to be sneezed at for doing something you like and FA else
    The Peanut wrote: »
    You don't think he has persevered?
    Still don't see perserverance The Peanut, I associate that word with hardship etc.

    Dedicated perhaps, yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭The Peanut


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    Nothing to be sneezed at for doing something you like and FA else

    Still don't see perserverance The Peanut, I associate that word with hardship etc.

    Dedicated perhaps, yes.

    We shall agree to differ so. Perseverance to me is persistence and determination. I just wanted to use a topical example as a launch-pad for this thread.

    I admire your perseverance for holding your ground.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Spring Onion


    I grew up on a rural farm in the west of Ireland. Our house was comfortable but far from affluent.

    I persevered through college, achieving very highly in all exams. I eventually went on to do a post-graduate degree in the UK's top university. I now have a very highly paid job working in wealth management in Germany. I have a beautiful German partner and want for absolutely nothing.

    I've come a long way from picking stones in the West.

    Honest question- would you line to be living in the west of ireland countryside again?


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