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Marriage in two different countries

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  • #32
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    DecStone wrote: »
    The church allowed them to marry in a church but they had to be conducted in a state that recognised divorce. So they had to leave Ireland to conduct even a religious ceremony. If they were married in Ireland under these conditions they would be breaking the church laws on marriage. Cannon Law specifically states that only those who are conforming to the civil law can be lawfully married in church.

    Can you link to the Cano law that says that.


  • #33
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    What if you had a "full marriage" in Ireland (e.g. legal plus religious) and then did the same again in another EU country (I.e. full marriage), but to the same person... Would both marriages be legally invalid or just the second? Is it a crime?


  • #34
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,934 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    DecStone wrote: »
    I can't answer about individual mistakes that were made

    You made a claim that no Catholic church anywhere conducts marriages that do not include the civil ceremony ....
    DecStone wrote: »
    The Catholic Church does not conduct marriage ceremonies independently of the state in any country.

    You were directly contradicted with facts and when challenged to respond, your answer is - that you cannot 'answer about individual mistakes'. :confused:

    How about admitting that you were wrong?


  • #35
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Uriel. wrote: »
    What if you had a "full marriage" in Ireland (e.g. legal plus religious) and then did the same again in another EU country (I.e. full marriage), but to the same person... Would both marriages be legally invalid or just the second? Is it a crime?

    I can not see how it is a crime, but if both marriages are in themselves valid I would assume the first in time would be the one that is valid I can not see how the second marriage invalidates the first either under civil or cannon law.


  • #36
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    coylemj wrote: »
    The second civil ceremony would constitute bigmany, a crime in most western countries. The second religious ceremony would be a matter between you and the particular church.

    How is it bigamy to marry the same person twice.


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  • #37
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,934 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    How is it bigamy to marry the same person twice.

    Sorry, I realised my error and deleted my post. Bigamy requires you to 'marry' a different person.


  • #38
    baudroc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭baudroc


    Wow I didn't expect so much responses ! Thank you everybody for have taking the time to answer to my question. I'm french so I didn't understand everything but I will read all your answers once again for find my answer . :-)

    Thanks again

    Paul


  • #39
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    baudroc wrote: »
    Wow I didn't expect so much responses ! Thank you everybody for have taking the time to answer to my question. I'm french so I didn't understand everything but I will read all your answers once again for find my answer . :-)

    Thanks again

    Paul

    now that you have returned perhaps you can clarify what it is you are asking. Would the second marriage be to the same person as the first marriage or to a different person?


  • #40
    baudroc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭baudroc


    Beano wrote: »
    now that you have returned perhaps you can clarify what it is you are asking. Would the second marriage be to the same person as the first marriage or to a different person?

    The marriage will be with the same person.


  • #41
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Given the clarification given by the OP in the last post i will answer again.
    baudroc wrote: »
    Hello,

    I would like to know if it's possible to marry twice in two different countries and without being divorced.

    For example if I get married in France (civil union) this year, could I get married again in Ireland in few years or is it impossible ?

    No, as you are already married.
    baudroc wrote: »
    Perhaps I can get married once in the city hall and the the next time in the church ?

    Thank you

    Paul

    This would depend on whether the church was willing to perform a religious marriage ceremony only. In catholic doctrine this is called convalidation.


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  • #42
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Beano wrote: »
    This would depend on whether the church was willing to perform a religious marriage ceremony only. In catholic doctrine this is called convalidation.

    I should mention that there would be no legal impediment to this as the second "marriage" would not be a civil one. It is purely down to whether the church is willing to do it.


  • #43
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,934 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    OP, since you're French, the ideal solution is to get married in a church ceremony in France, then get married in a civil ceremony in Ireland.

    Neither wedding will conflict with the other as the church ceremony in France does not include a civil wedding.


  • #44
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,934 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Beano wrote: »
    This would depend on whether the church was willing to perform a religious marriage ceremony only. In catholic doctrine this is called convalidation.

    The separation of Church and State in France means they have no option, despite misleading posts on the topic earlier.


  • #45
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    coylemj wrote: »
    The separation of Church and State in France means they have no option, despite misleading posts on the topic earlier.

    I'm aware of that but they asked about a civil marriage in France followed a few years later by a church ceremony in Ireland. My point is that the church might take a dim view of this. They would want to know why you did not have a church ceremony in france after the civil ceremony.


  • #46
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,934 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Beano wrote: »
    I'm aware of that but they asked about a civil marriage in France followed a few years later by a church ceremony in Ireland. My point is that the church might take a dim view of this. They would want to know why you did not have a church ceremony in france after the civil ceremony.

    I can't see them refusing to marry you, that's all that matters.


  • #47
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Why not just get married in France and renew your vows in irish church few years later?


  • #48
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • #49
    DecStone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭DecStone


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Weird question, but do they check?

    If the OP gets married in France and then tries to marry his girlfriend in Ireland, he will get caught? In other words, there's some kind of worldwide marriage database every government uses?


    Yes they do check. The church does anyway. In order to get married in a Catholic church which is not your parish church you must get references from your own parish - or your local bishop.


  • #50
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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