Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

Nalz · 18-08-2014 12:25PM

What are peoples realistic thoughts on what (a) will happen and (b) what they'd like to happen before the transfer window closes.

(a) I think
* Fellaini, Powell, Amos and Anderson will go out on loan
* Lindergaard might possibly leave
* Nani could leave for the right price
* We'll sign a CB - Rojo or the likes
* We'll sign an average workhorse \ utility player

(b) What I wish
* Cleverley sold for 7m +
* Fellaini to get some form and kept as a squad player
* Hernandez sold for 15/20m + if it means fueling cash for other buys
* Powell, Lingard and James all to go on loan again and do really well
* Wilson to step up as 4th choice striker and given a chance
* Anderson to be sold, released whatever
* A CB if not 2, a CM and LB cover to be signed
* Rooney and RVP to stay fit

ericzeking · 18-08-2014 12:26PM

I thought Fellaini did well when he came on on Saturday.... I'd much prefer him to Fletcher, sit there in the Carrick position and be the destroyer and give it simple to Herrera and mata. He made some lovely interceptions on Saturday.

MagicIRL · 18-08-2014 12:29PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

This.

People always throw around the City and Chelsea spending as if it's some sort of crutch against our bad performances. The fact is they're buying the right players for their system while we're seemingly trying to get the best deal possible for our company.

Further to this,

It's well established how bad our squad is and yet we've let both Fabregas and Kroos sign for different clubs. I don't work for United, so I don't know if we even bid for either player, but the idea that both these players could walk in to our midfield and instantly improve it, and did not sign for United is saddening. Both City and United are literally across the road from one another and yet only one side seems to be bringing in talent.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 12:30PM

Trilla wrote: »

What are peoples realistic thoughts on what (a) will happen and (b) what they'd like to happen before the transfer window closes.

(a) I think
* Fellaini, Powell, Amos and Anderson will go out on loan
* Lindergaard might possibly leave
* Nani could leave for the right price
* We'll sign a CB - Rojo or the likes
* We'll sign an average workhorse \ utility player

(a) i think
- Fellaini and Anderson will go out on loan.
- We will sign Rojo later this week
- Daley Blind on deadline day for £20M +

(b) I want
it's too depressing to type...

Blatter · 18-08-2014 12:30PM

The Fellaini to Napoli claims are coming from Italy. Obviously Napoli are in for him but I wouldn't be quick to believe Italian reports that a deal is agreed. Especially from the Gazetta.

FutureGuy · 18-08-2014 12:30PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

This.

People always throw around the City and Chelsea spending as if it's some sort of crutch against our bad performances. The fact is they're buying the right players for their system while we're seemingly trying to get the best deal possible for our company.

Having said that, they are working on a different financial system than we are (i.e esentially limitless funds).

I still sometimes laugh when I think about how this is allowed in football.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 12:32PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Both City and United are literally across the road from one another and yet only one side seems to be bringing in talent.

here you go..this fellow could be the reason.

in fairness to Woodward, he is spending the money, he just cannot (as yet) seal any big deals or sign any of our top targets.

MagicIRL · 18-08-2014 12:35PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Having said that, they are working on a different financial system than we are (i.e esentially limitless funds).

I still sometimes laugh when I think about how this is allowed in football.

This is true, but having signed the largest shirt deal in world football, amoungst a thousand and one other deals, you would have to assume United could match or even surpass quite a lot of deals being put through by other clubs.

twam2008 · 18-08-2014 12:36PM

The same problems were there before Woodward as well in fairness. We need to rethink the whole transfer system at the club.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 12:40PM

twam2008 wrote: »

The same problems were there before Woodward as well in fairness. We need to rethink the whole transfer system at the club.

true, but they are now much worse - we are spending big money, but our squad and more to the point first 11 is getting worse

Woodward has more power behind him than 18 of the 20 clubs in the PL and perhaps the most resources available to him than any CE (outside of chelsea and city in the past) in PL history.

Whatsisname · 18-08-2014 12:51PM

Thank god people are finally seeing that Fletcher can't do a job in midfield anymore, shadow of a player he once was, amazing he has come back from such a horrible illness but he's just physically not able to do the job he once did anymore. The fact that he's been giving the vice captaincy is worrying if it means he's likely to be a regular starter. We're in alot more trouble if he is.

As said a few times already, I'd rather see him Fellaini over him.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 12:53PM

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence on saturday - DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Blackett, Lingaard.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield on saturday - Herrera, Fletcher

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack on saturday - chico, rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

sky88 · 18-08-2014 12:58PM

Was at the match on saturday thought it was a poor performance from the team in general but i thought felani did well and nani did well untill he was put on the right then it seemed to go weong for him. Hernandez was very poor as well i just cant see place for him in the team at all

Pro. F · 18-08-2014 01:02PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence on saturday - DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Blackett, Lingaard.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield on saturday - Herrera, Fletcher

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack on saturday - chico, rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

This is so stupid. You are comparing the first team options from 2008 to the squad options that we used on Saturday. Do you not remember squad players being used in 2008?

I know the current team has flaws that need to be addressed, but that comparison you've done is just a pointless misrepresentation of the true situation.

froog · 18-08-2014 01:03PM

I get the feeling united could play a decent 4 4 2 with the players they have (ignoring injuries);

rooney rvp

mata fellaini Herrera januzaj

shaw jones evans Valencia

fellaini stays back and wins ball, Herrera pings passes around

Will I Amnt · 18-08-2014 01:04PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence on saturday - DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Blackett, Lingaard.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield on saturday - Herrera, Fletcher

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack on saturday - chico, rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

While I get your point, it would be fairer to put up what you think the best defence, midfield and attack is from the whole squad. You did that for the 2008 team, why not the current team?

Edit: What ProF said.

Adamocovic · 18-08-2014 01:04PM

froog wrote: »

I get the feeling united could play a decent 4 4 2 with the players they have (ignoring injuries);

rooney rvp

mata fellaini Herrera januzaj

shaw jones evans Valencia

fellaini stays back and wins ball, Herrera pings passes around

Only problem I see is Mata...can't see him playing down the wing, doesn't really have the pace and strength, great behind the two forwards because of his vision and skill but anywhere else I can't see him succeeding personally.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 01:11PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

While I get your point, it would be fairer to put up what you think the best defence, midfield and attack is from the whole squad. You did that for the 2008 team, why not the current team?

Edit: What ProF said.

ok. how about this

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence in 2014- DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Evans (when fit), Shaw.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield 2014 - Herrera, Carrick (when fit - also 33 now)

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack 2014 - rvp (when fit), rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

titan18 · 18-08-2014 01:12PM

There was a time when we were seeing Alan Smith, David Bellion, Liam Miller, Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson line out for the side. I much prefer the squad depth now

RobbingBandit · 18-08-2014 01:15PM

Pictures on Daily Mail site of Jesse Lingard leaving hospital on crutches with a heavily bandaged knee in a brace.

ericzeking · 18-08-2014 01:17PM

We need tweeks.

We need a bit of extra quality in midfield to compete at the very top, that said what we have should be enough to beat Swansea at home.

And we need some cover at the back. We don't need the squad overhaul that is being intimated in this thread.

However, what we need most of all is the time for our manager to implement his philosphy. This appears to be in short supply...shorter supply than left sided defensive targets!!!!!

The_Kew_Tour · 18-08-2014 01:20PM

we need 3 players and they need to be good, very good.

if we can get them, then happy days.

I wont bank on it though.

But hey, 2 weeks is plenty of time

bullvine · 18-08-2014 01:21PM

The squad needs to be trimmed and the first 11 improved simple! get rid of 6 bring in 3!

Vic Vinegar · 18-08-2014 01:22PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

ok. how about this

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence in 2014- DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Evans (when fit), Shaw.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield 2014 - Herrera, Carrick (when fit - also 33 now)

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack 2014 - rvp (when fit), rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

Pretty amusing how you've put a proviso in for those in bold but not for the perennial sick note that is Hargreaves.

bullvine · 18-08-2014 01:23PM

From whats been said from Van Gaal he seems keen on Fellaini, hes mentioned his name a few times, I will be surprised if hes gotten rid.

Pro. F · 18-08-2014 01:24PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

ok. how about this

defence in 2008 - VDS, Neville, Vidic, Rio, Evra,
defence in 2014- DeGea, Young, Smalling, Jones, Evans (when fit), Shaw.

Midefield in 2008 - Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves
Midfield 2014 - Herrera, Carrick (when fit - also 33 now)

Attack in 2008 - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo
Attack 2014 - rvp (when fit), rooney, mata

A long and steady rot has led to this debacle.

You're still missing the point. The fact that you put "when fit" after the currently injured players but ignore the fact that Neville and Hargreaves missed most of the 07/08 season through injury and the fact that you note Carrick's current age, but fail to note the fact that Neville and Scholes' were older in 2008 just shows that you are still trying to paint the picture as worse than it is.

There are flaws that need to be addressed, and the team right now, at the start of a new season under a new manager, isn't as good as it was in 2008. But you're fooling yourself into thinking that the descriptions of "long steady rot" and "debacle" are appropriate.

Mitch Connor · 18-08-2014 01:25PM

It looks like Rojo will get done - we still need another CB though. I don't know if we are evening targetting another. Hopefully we are.

Would love Benatia or Hummels but don't see us getting either. I can see us making a last ditch move for Vlaar around deadline day if we haven't got anyone.

If Vidal doesn't happen, and I still think the club are trying to do it - we will need to get someone in, espeically if Fellaini is on his way out. I reckoned De Jong would be a target, but it doesn't look like that now.

Very worrying two weeks ahead.

FutureGuy · 18-08-2014 01:26PM

ericzeking wrote: »

We need tweeks.

We need a bit of extra quality in midfield to compete at the very top, that said what we have should be enough to beat Swansea at home.

And we need some cover at the back. We don't need the squad overhaul that is being intimated in this thread.

However, what we need most of all is the time for our manager to implement his philosphy. This appears to be in short supply...shorter supply than left sided defensive targets!!!!!

I think people hugely underestimated Swansea, and we would do well not to underestimate any of our next 5 opponents. The shroud of invunerability around United has dissipated almost immediately and now sides will realise that we are as, if not more, vunerable than when Moyes was in charge. They can see we are not likely to sign players before Saturday, let along integrate them into the team.

And I have to disgaree that we need a bit of extra quality in midfield. We need two world class midfileders in addition to Herrera. Also, we do not need cover at the back, we need first teamers that are better, at a minimum, than our current players. Someone that is 26-27, on top of his game and experienced who can compliment the likes of Jones, Evans and Smalling.

I agree with the time to instill LVG's mentality. That will come in time, as will the above players. It's just that it will take time.

MagicIRL · 18-08-2014 01:26PM

Can anything be said for signing the great one, Andrea Pirlo? God, I love him.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 01:27PM

ericzeking wrote: »

However, what we need most of all is the time for our manager to implement his philosphy.

not sure the players are there to implement that philosophy or they are suited to his tactics and formations but i guess we will know for sure as the season goes on - you never know, a fully fit RVP could drag us to top 4 along with Shaw and Carrick back.

by all means im happy to accept that it will take time if the signings had been done, BUT to hear "give him time" as an excuse for persistent levels of incompetence at board level, is not acceptable to me.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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