Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

aha_sender · 18-08-2014 09:21AM

Swansea had 4 shots and still won. That mean a 50% conversion quite high so from a defensive point if view we weren't awful just I'll disciplined.
Hernandez is not the right player for united he is a one trick pony unfortunately, 14 touches in a game not good.
We need a proper DM more than any thing. Who us available though.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 09:21AM

kryogen wrote: »

You directly equated the amount of signings to whether a window can be judged as being good or bad for a club. This is clearly wrong, Spurs signed a **** load of players last season, did they do good transfer business though?

Well, when a club like ours needs a number of players, it is justified to judge on them on the amount of players they bring in. Obviously you have to take into account the quality of players - you think i'd be happy with numbers without judging the quality??

As for Spurs, you can probably judge most of those signings this season, as their managerial problems last season ruled out any continuity for many of their new signings.

Lucas Hood · 18-08-2014 09:23AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Apparently Sport1, the newspaper that said Benatia is off to Bayern, have apologised for spreading nonsensical news.

https://twitter.com/OffsideLiam/status/501118451189301248

On, off, I just don't know anymore.

They haven't

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/501266552361324545

kryogen · 18-08-2014 09:23AM

By no means did I think he was perfect there, how could he be sure! I thought I saw signs of potential there though in his display, as I said, shame we didn't get to see it for 90 minutes. It was encouraging to see him throwing himself about too and that he was not afraid to get stuck in.

Not really a fan of Janko if I'm honest, don't think he will do much for us at senior level.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I thought he was caught out a number of times positionally in the short time he was on - playing the defensive side of his role more like a standard midfielder than a RWB. He looked a threat going forward, but I would expect that at the very least. For me, the defensive side of the game must come first in terms of skillset suitability, and Lingard is lacking there massively. I'm not agaisnt the lad because of it, he is a Kagawa type of player, imo, so asking him to play RWB is simply crazy to me. He played as I would expect him to - so i'm not blaming him, really - I just think he is completely alien to the role at this point.

I can only assume James was injured, but he was on the bench. I would have thought Janko a far better shout for RWB than Lingard too - but he played Friday night. It was very odd.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 09:23AM

aha_sender wrote: »

Swansea had 4 shots and still won. That mean a 50% conversion quite high so from a defensive point if view we weren't awful just I'll disciplined.
Hernandez is not the right player for united he is a one trick pony unfortunately, 14 touches in a game not good.
We need a proper DM more than any thing. Who us available though.

De Jong, Carvalho, Gustavo, maybe schneiderlin could fulfill that role.

bangkok · 18-08-2014 09:28AM

why would anyone be happy that we lost??!! even if we won 2-1 had that wazza free kick gone in, it would have been still obvious that we needed another signing or 2. don't forget, had we of having a fully fit squad there was probably 5-6 players that would have started on sat. Rafael, evans, shaw, carrick, van persie and maybe welbeck

aha_sender · 18-08-2014 09:29AM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

De Jong, Carvalho, Gustavo, maybe schneiderlin could fulfill that role.

Their the players we should be looking at. I think we would look better with this player. Di maria is great but great team are built through the spine. Our spine is missing a few vertebrae

MagicIRL · 18-08-2014 09:29AM

We had this "I'm happy they lost" talk last season over and over again! NONSENSE

Lucas Hood · 18-08-2014 09:30AM

I thought we looked quite comfortable with Lingard at rwb. Obviously impossible to be sure but I don't think we had have lost had he stayed on the pitch.

If we could go back though I'd have put James on instead of Nani at half time & kept the 3412
Ddg
Jones Smalling Blackett
Young Herrera Fletcher James
Mata
Januzaj Rooney.

markcahill1985 · 18-08-2014 09:31AM

People are actually happy that we have lost? Come on get a grip, its a new season with a competent manager in charge, he knows we need players regardless of Saturdays result!

markcahill1985 · 18-08-2014 09:32AM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I thought we looked quite comfortable with Lingard at rwb. Obviously impossible to be sure but I don't think we had have lost had he stayed on the pitch.

If we could go back though I'd have put James on instead of Nani at half time & kept the 3412
Ddg
Jones Smalling Blackett
Young Herrera Fletcher James
Mata
Januzaj Rooney.

Was far too risky to play both James and Blackett down the same side of the pitch hence Lingard starting

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 09:37AM

Yer Aul One wrote: »

Is nobody else delighted that we lost on Saturday? .

absolutely no f*cking way. devastated, but delighted? your having a laugh.

i can eventually handle the defeat if its the final eye opener to get them incompetent shower running our club to finally sign the players we need in the next 2 weeks.

but its a disgrace that its come to this, our business should have been done weeks ago allowing us to start the season with a team this club should have, not be scrambling around Europe now looking desperately for players everybody connected at the club should have known were needed 3 months ago.

Copper_pipe · 18-08-2014 09:39AM

https://twitter.com/DT______/status/501091316361887744

Lucas Hood · 18-08-2014 09:40AM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Was far too risky to play both James and Blackett down the same side of the pitch hence Lingard starting

But playing Blackett an inexperienced defender & Young a winger who has only played a handful of games at Lb/Lwb was ok?

Mikeyt086 · 18-08-2014 09:42AM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

People are actually happy that we have lost? Come on get a grip, its a new season with a competent manager in charge, he knows we need players regardless of Saturdays result!

No. They aren't. One poster posed a question and every reply immediately shut it down.

Honestly this happens so much for so many things in this thread it wrecks my head. Not a shot at you Mark btw it's just happened a lot recently where one person's outlandish claims gets taken up as the common opinion.

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 09:47AM

aha_sender wrote: »

Swansea had 4 shots and still won. That mean a 50% conversion quite high so from a defensive point if view we weren't awful just I'll disciplined.

dunno about that, my take on it was that we controlled the game but that was because Swansea sat back and then played on the counter. we had most of our possession between 20 metres either side of the half way line though and did f*ck all with it.

ill put it to you this way - if a team gets into our box 3 times in the entire game and ends up scoring twice, it doesnt bode well for our defence against the big teams who will get through us 10+ times a game.

if you want to take points at Old trafford it really is simple - put 10 men behind the ball and leave us have it. watch us pass it sidewards, backwards and then belt it long up field.

then take the 1 or 2 chances that come your way and presto - youve won.

thats happened about 10 times now in the past year, mainly against very poor sides like Swansea.

Coat22 · 18-08-2014 09:47AM

I’m definitely of the opinion that if we’d knocked Swansea for 3 or 4 on Saturday the sense of urgency at the club would have disapated.Its been almost 8 months since Vidic announced he was off, the decision on Ferdinand must have been taken around the same time, Evra might have come as a shock and we’ve needed a defensive midfielder for how long?

And yet we start the season by signing 2 players! I would say before Saturday Woodward and VG would have been happy if they landed Rojo before the deadline – at least now reality might have set in with the manager and Ed can get the good kick up the hole he needs.

Leroy42 · 18-08-2014 09:48AM

Where is it possible to check the gross spending of teams over the last few years? People talk about us being a top club, but my feeling is that we are not anywhere in the same league of City, Chelsea, Real, Barca or Bayern. Even the likes of Aresenal and Pool are starting to overtake us.

In fairness to Woodward, he has done brilliant from the commercial side of the business and that should be allowing us to be the behemoth over everybody else. Of course you will always get City etc with unlimited spend but tbh that is really just to bring them up to the top level and then they will have to operate as a normal club.

twam2008 · 18-08-2014 09:50AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Where is it possible to check the gross spending of teams over the last few years? People talk about us being a top club, but my feeling is that we are not anywhere in the same league of City, Chelsea, Real, Barca or Bayern. Even the likes of Aresenal and Pool are starting to overtake us.

In fairness to Woodward, he has done brilliant from the commercial side of the business and that should be allowing us to be the behemoth over everybody else. Of course you will always get City etc with unlimited spend but tbh that is really just to bring them up to the top level and then they will have to operate as a normal club.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

homerjay2005 · 18-08-2014 09:54AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Where is it possible to check the gross spending of teams over the last few years? People talk about us being a top club, but my feeling is that we are not anywhere in the same league of City, Chelsea, Real, Barca or Bayern. Even the likes of Aresenal and Pool are starting to overtake us.

In fairness to Woodward, he has done brilliant from the commercial side of the business and that should be allowing us to be the behemoth over everybody else. Of course you will always get City etc with unlimited spend but tbh that is really just to bring them up to the top level and then they will have to operate as a normal club.

here you go...

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

i didnt check Chelsea, but in the last 3 years our Net Spending was higher than Citys until recent weeks. the deals for Mangala/Fernando has changed that i reckon, though with surely 2 or 3 signings coming it will change again in our "favour"...

bucketybuck · 18-08-2014 09:55AM

Coat22 wrote: »

the decision on Ferdinand must have been taken around the same time

Interesting to hear on "Goals on Sunday" that Rio was one of QPR's best players at the weekend, and more specifically that he excelled playing as the sweeper in a back three.

Donnielighto · 18-08-2014 09:55AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://vine.co/v/Mgj7eTQv0ja

Kid probably got that line from a gimp of an aul lad.

Lord TSC · 18-08-2014 09:56AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Interesting to hear on "Goals on Sunday" that Rio was one of QPR's best players at the weekend, and more specifically that he excelled playing as the sweeper in a back three.

Really? The report I read said he had a nightmare and was directly responsible for the goal that caused them to lose the match

Donnielighto · 18-08-2014 09:59AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Liverpool are an irrelevance in that context. I'd genuinely rather watch United win a nothing game than have Liverpool not win the league. United comes first, Liverpool's failures are just a bonus. Kinda like the crushed hazelnuts on top of your Ben & Jerry's when you go to the cinema.

What cinema? I've never had these and they sound amazing.

FutureGuy · 18-08-2014 09:59AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Really? The report I read said he had a nightmare and was directly responsible for the goal that caused them to lose the match

Apparently, he had a very good game but completely lost Chester for the goal.

irishfeen · 18-08-2014 10:00AM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

https://vine.co/v/Mgj7eTQv0ja

Haha that's gas the little lad is better then most football journalists anyway..

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 10:01AM

FutureGuy wrote: »

He had a very good game but completely lost Chester for the goal.

We'll see how good he performs when up against a good side who will really put QPR's defence to the test.

MagicIRL · 18-08-2014 10:01AM

Rio is a good defender. He is not league winning defender. Not anymore. He is the sole reason for the goal conceded yesterday. In saying that, it would be handy having someone with his experience still around the younger defenders.

bucketybuck · 18-08-2014 10:02AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Really? The report I read said he had a nightmare and was directly responsible for the goal that caused them to lose the match

They did say that he lost Chester for the goal, but that apart from that he was one of their best players throughout the game. It was both Barton and the host saying the same thing so I found it believable.

redbaron_99 · 18-08-2014 10:02AM

Few tweets going around that Napoli have agreed the loan deal for Fellaini.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 25/08

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