Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

twam2008 · 17-08-2014 10:46AM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Van Gaal isn't on social media or forums like this giving out! (well he could be but you get the point)

He knows exactly what is going on and how easy or difficult it is to buy players

True, he can get players in 24 hours after all.

17-08-2014 10:46AM

Daley Blind playing for Ajax vs az on ss 5 at the moment.

Showing a good passing range so far!

Lord TSC · 17-08-2014 10:47AM

Fescue wrote: »

Much as it pains me to say it, United are one of the top 3/4 clubs in the world. Surely you can compete with anyone for anyone, if you are determined.

I'd say United are (optamistically) 4th, behind Real, Bayern and Barca (in terms of where players will want to play). So those three, for me, will usually beat us out in transfers.

Meanwhile, Chelsea and City might not be as prestigious, but have everything else we do AND have a lot of cash AND Champions League football, so they'll likely out-do us for a lot of transfers as well.

PSG and Monaco are much the same too; lots of cash, Champions League football.

So that's 7 teams who we can compete with, sure, but all have the ability to out-do us in transfers no matter how hard we try.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-08-2014 10:47AM

twam2008 wrote: »

In fairness Van Gaal may not have fully understood how difficult it was going to be to get players.

A manager of his experience and pedigree, should have no problem understanding the process involved in signing players. But what he probably didn't expect is, the muppets at United and their inability to sign or act decisively on who we need.

I vowed not to get bothered or sucked into the transfer malarkey. But when I see the likes of Liverpool signing... how many is it now? Nine players? I can't help but get píssed off with the lack of progress by United.

None of the top tier clubs needed a restocking like we did and all I see so far is the bare minimum. Ed better be about to pull something amazing out of his ass. But I'm not holding my breath on that tbh.

And with that I'm off the fence...:mad:

MagicIRL · 17-08-2014 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Daley Blind playing for Ajax vs az on ss 5 at the moment.

Showing a good passing range so far!

You don't win Best Midfielder 2014 without ability, regardless of league!

DrPhilG · 17-08-2014 10:51AM

redzerdrog wrote: »

even Rooney could start agitating for a move.

Never!

That lad is as loyal as they come...

Kagawa · 17-08-2014 10:54AM

If bayern get Benatia then I just give up, we're really going to struggle to get 4th place, just do not have the players in the first team or the squad. And January will be too late

The_Kew_Tour · 17-08-2014 10:54AM

They''re sadly is going to be no quick fix soluition.

The more I think about Vidal the more I realise the delay.

However other targets should have been done by now as well as getting rid of dead wood.

LVG will get plenty right but can only do so much.

Im not even angry, more disappointed. Its a summer of failure so far.

We wont get 3 or 4 big names we will do well to get 1 or 2 but hopefully that is enough for top 4(not looking above that one bit)

Soups123 · 17-08-2014 11:04AM

LVG has only been in the job a few weeks he has to see players in competitive games before he goes selling and buying players.

It has to be a case of putting the players out there real time and see who flops and who flys, from fans it's going to require patience a lot of it but I would imagine wants he knows who he wants things will start to turn.

I think he is big enough to deal with the disgruntle while he works on getting the rebuild done right

MagicIRL · 17-08-2014 11:06AM

We lost 2-1. A lot of people need to calm the **** down. Everyone can have an off day. It doesn't help that we've a rake of injuries and that Rooney, Mata and Chico had a pretty poor game.

Keep calm and Que Sera, Sera.

Fescue · 17-08-2014 11:08AM

Soups123 wrote: »

LVG has only been in the job a few weeks he has to see players in competitive games before he goes selling and buying players.

It has to be a case of putting the players out there real time and see who flops and who flys, from fans it's going to require patience a lot of it but I would imagine wants he knows who he wants things will start to turn.

I think he is big enough to deal with the disgruntle while he works on getting the rebuild done right

This makes a lot of sense. I always felt there was a lot of work to be done to rebuild this team. Time and patience is what he needs.

That's why I was so surprised how bullish some people were about finishing in the top four. The team were so poor last year and not all of that is Moyes fault.

Larry Wildman · 17-08-2014 11:20AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

have I hit a nerve?;)

oh and Name is Adrian.

you can follow me and my bro on twitter sweetheart. we love trolling so we do. his posts are all photoshopped;)

x x x x

He thinks that I'm your sockpuppet or that you're my sockpuppet...

Mad stuff

Drexel · 17-08-2014 11:37AM

Interview in the daily mail with Moyes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2726774/DAVID-MOYES-EXCLUSIVE-Manchester-United-never-gave-time-succeed-fail.html

Looks like LVG could be facing the same problems.

beno619 · 17-08-2014 11:38AM

twam2008 wrote: »

In fairness Van Gaal may not have fully understood how difficult it was going to be to get players.

I think he knows a thing or two about transfers tbh.

newballsplease · 17-08-2014 11:43AM

If Moyes was manager yesterday and made the same change as LVG, there would have been uproar. Fellaini for Herrara was crazy. Januzaj at wing back?
Mata should have been replaced earlier with kagawa, but that didnt happen.

twam2008 · 17-08-2014 11:44AM

beno619 wrote: »

I think he knows a thing or two about transfers tbh.

Of course he does, that wasn't what I was saying, what I was saying is he might not realise how hard it is to get players to the North of England and when the people in charge of the purse strings enjoy haggling. He wouldn't have had the same problems at the other big clubs he's managed.

Pro. F · 17-08-2014 11:53AM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I think he'll get plenty of games this season as a left or right sided forward, can see us using 433 a lot this season when we get the right players in.

kryogen wrote: »

I think we now see for sure that 3412 will not be the only formation utilised this season and even in that one I would be excited at the prospect of him lining up as one of the strikers in that formation, similar to Robben in the world cup, a sort of free forward role, he doesn't have pace like Robben but he could be deadly in that sort of role. He showed flashes when he came on there against Valencia.

I wonder. I could see the 3412 being completely abandoned if the management continue to fail at getting the defensive shape working. But say that doesn't happen, do yous think it would be a viable plan to chop and change between two very different formations?

I might just be forgetting something obvious, but I can't think of a team/manager who have successfully alternated between flat back four and 3CBs + wing-backs formations.

I do like the idea of Januzaj playing at the front of the 3412 like Kryo describes too. That would probably mean the end of Chicharito at the club, which is a shame, but something has to give.

MagicMarker · 17-08-2014 11:55AM

newballsplease wrote: »

If Moyes was manager yesterday and made the same change as LVG, there would have been uproar. Fellaini for Herrara was crazy. Januzaj at wing back?
Mata should have been replaced earlier with kagawa, but that didnt happen.

Januzaj had to come on because of an injury, the formation was changed in the 2nd half so Januzaj was no longer a WB.

GSPfan · 17-08-2014 11:56AM

Soups123 wrote: »

LVG has only been in the job a few weeks he has to see players in competitive games before he goes selling and buying players.

It has to be a case of putting the players out there real time and see who flops

Totally disagree. He can watch hours of matches previous to see how bad some of them are. How would you ever buy a player if you needed to see him play for you before you can judge him? Every player would have to be a loan deal first before you buy with that logic.

To be honest he is in the job a short amount of time but it is a bit mental if he thinks this group of players is gonna win him trophies. Same happened last year. The new manager thought he had a great squad until the window closed and then all of a sudden the talk of big changes started.

I reckon Van Gaal knows what players he wants but United are struggling to close the deals. He wont let players leave either till he brings in players.

homerjay2005 · 17-08-2014 11:57AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

We lost 2-1. A lot of people need to calm the **** down. Everyone can have an off day. It doesn't help that we've a rake of injuries and that Rooney, Mata and Chico had a pretty poor game.

Keep calm and Que Sera, Sera.

Yesterday was a bad bad day for the club, it was supposed to signal a new start, a dawn of a new era.

We played Swanses and were fuc*king pathetic. Nobody had a "bad day", we played like that team can be expected to play and how its been playing for the last year.

Injuries? Rvp yes, but he is likely pick up some knock but will the rest of them make much of. Difference especially in big games? No way.

Its not just the squad thats broken, its the entire club. Our fanbase has lost its fight and from the minute i went inside the ground yesterday i sensed something strange was up. The fans have had enough - years of club mismanagement, now brought to insane levels of ineptness with money wasted and s shift on focus to determining our success by off field activity as opposed to football results.

On friday,I called the team a mid table team (on paper) and i was attacked for it...nonsense i was talking, talking rubbish, hyperbole. The reality is our team is in dire straights....can we turn it about and finish top 4? Perhaps yes, being lucky. But the fact not one United fan expects us to mount a league challenge says it all.

We are Manchester United for f*ck sake! The mediocrity levels that some fans accept is astounding, but the match going fans want this club run as it deserves. And while our fans can be idiots at times, thers f*ck loads of very knowledgeable people whove been watching the club for years and years and know what a man utd team should look like.

Yesterday was not a man united team and it created one of the strangest and subdued atmospheres ive ever seen.

Backstreet Moyes · 17-08-2014 11:57AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

We lost 2-1. A lot of people need to calm the **** down. Everyone can have an off day. It doesn't help that we've a rake of injuries and that Rooney, Mata and Chico had a pretty poor game.

Keep calm and Que Sera, Sera.

Rooney, Mata and Chico are going to continue to struggle unless we get quality in midfield. They are having to drop too deep making them less effective. Same with the defence i thought Jones especially was brilliant yesterday but they were exposed by the poor midfield.

The midfield is the heartbeat of any side where everything flows through and United unless make two good cm signings are going to be in big trouble.

kona · 17-08-2014 12:03PM

At this stage we just need a few competent players. If other teams can sign decent players for a few million why can't we?
Seem to be chasing players for crazy money.

Lord TSC · 17-08-2014 12:05PM

kona wrote: »

At this stage we just need a few competent players. If other teams can sign decent players for a few million why can't we?
Seem to be chasing players for crazy money.

Because we don't need "competent" players. LVG has said it clearly; he wants upgrades on what we have. Other teams can sign players for a few million because "competent" is an upgrade, but we need top level players coming in.

On top of that, it's pretty obvious we...
1. Have money
2. Are desperate
...so the selling club can just double their prices once we ask for a player.

irishfeen · 17-08-2014 12:06PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Not touchy at all. I can just see that your over the top defence of Moyes last season is causing you to make Moyes supporting comments this season.

Honestly last night was a joke but you are right with the fact that I defended Moyes last year - and still do to an extent. We obviously have fundamentally differing opinions of his time in charge, there is nothing wrong with that. I will defend LVG to the hill if the squad remains the same too, the two additions are very welcome but you cannot get blood from a stone. Without additions over the next two weeks LVG would work miracles to secure 4th.

irishfeen · 17-08-2014 12:09PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Yesterday was a bad bad day for the club, it was supposed to signal a new start, a dawn of a new era.

We played Swanses and were fuc*king pathetic. Nobody had a "bad day", we played like that team can be expected to play and how its been playing for the last year.

Injuries? Rvp yes, but he is likely pick up some knock but will the rest of them make much of. Difference especially in big games? No way.

Its not just the squad thats broken, its the entire club. Our fanbase has lost its fight and from the minute i went inside the ground yesterday i sensed something strange was up. The fans have had enough - years of club mismanagement, now brought to insane levels of ineptness with money wasted and s shift on focus to determining our success by off field activity as opposed to football results.

On friday,I called the team a mid table team (on paper) and i was attacked for it...nonsense i was talking, talking rubbish, hyperbole. The reality is our team is in dire straights....can we turn it about and finish top 4? Perhaps yes, being lucky. But the fact not one United fan expects us to mount a league challenge says it all.

We are Manchester United for f*ck sake! The mediocrity levels that some fans accept is astounding, but the match going fans want this club run as it deserves. And while our fans can be idiots at times, thers f*ck loads of very knowledgeable people whove been watching the club for years and years and know what a man utd team should look like.

Yesterday was not a man united team and it created one of the strangest and subdued atmospheres ive ever seen.

Totally agree - that team United put out yesterday was of a mid-table standard.

redbaron_99 · 17-08-2014 12:16PM

Woodward said the club monitors social media to gauge the mood of the fans. Well. I think it should be quite clear now that none of us are happy. Some of the meltdowns on the cafe and twitter are quite something to behold.

And Tom cleverley gets offered a new deal!!??!!!!????
I'm gonna go back to my old suspicion that there's a very damaging and negative influence somewhere in the club that's protecting wasters like Tc.

Soups123 · 17-08-2014 12:19PM

GSPfan wrote: »

Totally disagree. He can watch hours of matches previous to see how bad some of them are. How would you ever buy a player if you needed to see him play for you before you can judge him? Every player would have to be a loan deal first before you buy with that logic.

To be honest he is in the job a short amount of time but it is a bit mental if he thinks this group of players is gonna win him trophies. Same happened last year. The new manager thought he had a great squad until the window closed and then all of a sudden the talk of big changes started.

I reckon Van Gaal knows what players he wants but United are struggling to close the deals. He wont let players leave either till he brings in players.

It's not as simple as looking at last season, Fergie got a lot of these players doing well in a PL winning team he needs to see who still has it, preseason won't answer that only real games will.

I don 't think he is realistically thinking trophies this year he has to be thinking rebuild and top 4. He has a lot of players capable he just needs to see the wood from the trees.

United have the financial clout to sign any player in the world if the player is available, I would worry though how much the Americans are holding back

homerjay2005 · 17-08-2014 12:20PM

I will agree with one thing - if yesterday leads to long term gains, i will accept it. It should (i hope)act as an eye opener for many how bad things are including our owners.

During the summer i had a theory that inside the club, David Moyes was getting 90% of the blame and the club thought small changes plus a new manager would sort it. the last 3 weeks have shown me that this theory is correct.

If yesterday (as disappointed as we all are) is the start of the rebuilding process, then so be it. if LVG gets us to top 4 with that squad, the man is a miracle worker.

PhlegmyMoses · 17-08-2014 12:24PM

Mid-table team.

The first XI is top 4 level.

DDG
Raf

Jones--Smalling--Evans

Shaw

Herrera

Carrick

Mata

Rooney

RVP

Could maybe do with a more high profile CB, and an upgrade on Carrick, but that's a strong side and more than capable of Top 4.

The squad is not top 4 material.

We have deep enough cover in certain areas. The likes of Januzaj, Nani, Chicharito, Welbeck provide good cover in attacking areas.

Defence is painfully short though. One injury to anyone in the backline above and we're down to youth teamers and wingers playing out of position, as we saw yesterday.

Swansea had two meaningful attacks yesterday and scored both of them. Still undecided on whether Blackett got dragged too far out of position for the first but Young was definitely at fault for the second, coupled with poor midfield tracking back.

It's why I wanted Vermaelen and if we can bring in any reliable and experienced CB, we should pay what it takes.

homerjay2005 · 17-08-2014 12:25PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Woodward said the club monitors social media to gauge the mood of the fans. Well. I think it should be quite clear now that none of us are happy. Some of the meltdowns on the cafe and twitter are quite something to behold.
.

Social media matters f*ck all apart from impact on commercial deals though it appears thats our focus now sadly.

Its inside the ground that should really matter and yesterday should be enough. There was no meltdowns, but what we have right now is an unmotivated, disillusioned fanbase who will support the team, but half assed....like our board.

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