Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

J. Marston · 16-08-2014 11:09PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Glancing over the Moyes interview...strikes me he is in a lovely position where he can promise the moon and stars now he doesn't have to actually deliver anything...

Lovely position alright, £5-6 million for being shít at your job and getting the sack.

Pro. F · 16-08-2014 11:09PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Ha ha it was only a joke - Moyes was a disaster your right but today was a disaster too... LVG will turn things round, of that I have no doubt but things might get worse before they get better if talent is not signed.

Sure it was.

LuckyLloyd · 16-08-2014 11:10PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Glancing over the Moyes interview...strikes me he is in a lovely position where he can promise the moon and stars now he doesn't have to actually deliver anything...

It's irrelevant. Hodgson threw a few stones at Liverpool in the year or so after he was sacked. Moyes will get another job and then he'll move on.

dubmick · 16-08-2014 11:12PM

RVN10 wrote: »

Just watching MOTD again , what the absolute fcuk was blackett doing giving the ball back to swansea for the quick free , i think I missed this earlier , i mean thats football 101 jesus

Just watched it myself, shocking.

twam2008 · 16-08-2014 11:16PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

I'm well and truly off the positivity couch.

I was worried that the results pre-season were against inferior opposition or not at full competitive match pace, and that fear that we aren't as good as those results may infer have been realised.

I'm baffled. Really am surprised that an organisation as big as United, that have people that are experts in the game can not have realised that there is a great big gaping hole in our midfield, that there is a dire need for a centre back, that we have zero left back cover.

Mistakes were made last season, yes. Both in the summer transfer window and in the appointment of a manager that wasn't up to the job. I really hope that those mistakes in the transfer window are not going to be repeated, and I find it impossible to believe that a man of van Gaal's experience, knowledge and standing in the game was not fully aware of the issues that need addressing BEFORE the official announcement of his appointment.

So where does that leave us? Is it because we HAVE targeted players that aren't interested in coming to Manchester for whatever reason? Is the whole no CL football thing an issue? Are the Glazers to blame? Is Ed Woodward to blame?

None of us can really answer this definitively, we're all gonna have our own opinions as to what happens, but one thing is for sure: it's human nature for people to look for someone to blame, someone to target if these now blatantly essential signings aren't completed. That someone is inevitably going to be Ed Woodward, and I suppose that goes with the territory of his job.

I'm worried.

Yeah, I'm in deep depression thinking why did we expect something different to what's happened for years, we say there's loads of money yet can never find the right players. All the money coming in to the club none of it going out in real terms. We're turning into Arsenal a few years ago.

Pro. F · 16-08-2014 11:22PM

twam2008 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm in deep depression thinking why did we expect something different to what's happened for years, we say there's loads of money yet can never find the right players. All the money coming in to the club none of it going out in real terms. We're turning into Arsenal a few years ago.

Except for the fact that we're actually spending a lot of money. You are confusing the club not buying players with the club not buying the players you want.

irishfeen · 16-08-2014 11:29PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Sure it was.

Very very touchy man - calm the hormones...

Al Capwned · 16-08-2014 11:29PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Except for the fact that we're actually spending a lot of money. You are confusing the club not buying players with the club not buying the players you want.

Yep. The same could be said for every time I know, but if we buy the right couple of players in the right positions, we'll be on the right track.

I'm still worried though, and I said I was going to bed half an hour ago, so carry on.

twam2008 · 16-08-2014 11:31PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Except for the fact that we're actually spending a lot of money. You are confusing the club not buying players with the club not buying the players you want.

Name our big money signings, our Fabregas's, our Neymar's, our Costa's, our Kroos's, we are not competing with the best, we are Manchester United is wearing thin.

v3ttel · 16-08-2014 11:31PM

twam2008 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm in deep depression thinking why did we expect something different to what's happened for years, we say there's loads of money yet can never find the right players. All the money coming in to the club none of it going out in real terms. We're turning into Arsenal a few years ago.

Sorry, but what the hell are talking about....in the last 12 months:

Fellaini - £27.5m
Mata £37.1m
Herrera - £29m
Shaw - £27m

And you can bet that Benatia (should the stories turn out to be true), will cost around £30m.

twam2008 · 16-08-2014 11:34PM

v3ttel wrote: »

Sorry, but what the hell are talking about....in the last 12 months:

Fellaini - £27.5m
Mata £37.1m
Herrera - £29m
Shaw - £27m

And you can bet that Benatia (should the stories turn out to be true), will cost around £30m.

You made my point, how can we expect to compete with the best of europe when we claim Fellaini as a major signing?

16-08-2014 11:36PM

twam2008 wrote: »

Name our big money signings, our Fabregas's, our Neymar's, our Costa's, our Kroos's, we are not competing with the best, we are Manchester United is wearing thin.

Our Matas?

twam2008 · 16-08-2014 11:37PM

Liam O wrote: »

Our Matas?

That it? That's all we need?

kryogen · 16-08-2014 11:40PM

twam2008 wrote: »

You made my point, how can we expect to compete with the best of europe when we claim Fellaini as a major signing?

Actually, what you said was

twam2008 wrote: »

Name our big money signings, our Fabregas's, our Neymar's, our Costa's, our Kroos's, we are not competing with the best, we are Manchester United is wearing thin.

Notice the subtle difference

v3ttel · 16-08-2014 11:43PM

twam2008 wrote: »

You made my point

You said we don't spend money, similar to Arsenal a few seasons ago. I pointed out we have spent £120.6m in the last 12 months alone.

It's quite clear that your original point was total and utter bollocks. Pleas re-read this post by Pro. F and grasp the point being made.

Pro. F wrote: »

Except for the fact that we're actually spending a lot of money. You are confusing the club not buying players with the club not buying the players you want.

twam2008 · 16-08-2014 11:45PM

kryogen wrote: »

Actually, what you said was

Notice the subtle difference

We all want to win the league, at least qualify for the Champions League, why do we deserve that more than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Manchester City?

Pro. F · 16-08-2014 11:49PM

twam2008 wrote: »

Name our big money signings, our Fabregas's, our Neymar's, our Costa's, our Kroos's, we are not competing with the best, we are Manchester United is wearing thin.

Robin van Persie, Juan Mata, David De Gea. All among the best in their positions, bought recently and for significant money.

Edit: Actually, I meant to prove you wrong on your statement that we're not spending money. So add the likes of Fellaini, Shaw and Hererra to that list too.

Pro. F · 16-08-2014 11:50PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Very very touchy man - calm the hormones...

Not touchy at all. I can just see that your over the top defence of Moyes last season is causing you to make Moyes supporting comments this season.

twam2008 · 17-08-2014 12:01AM

Apologies, I'm just antsy, was hoping for much better today and also thought we'd be a lot more active in the transfer market than we have been.

kryogen · 17-08-2014 12:11AM

twam2008 wrote: »

We all want to win the league, at least qualify for the Champions League, why do we deserve that more than Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Manchester City?

Cause we are the bestest and most handsomest of them all?

Since you have wandered off to another tangent I may aswell ask, who said we deserve that more then Chelsea or City? (Since they are the only two in your list we are in actual competition with for that)

I see your last post now, we can leave it there if you want. We all want to have had a better day today, we all would like to have more activity (to varying degrees) in the transfer market. Im happy to leave it at that.

K-9 · 17-08-2014 12:15AM

v3ttel wrote: »

Sorry, but what the hell are talking about....in the last 12 months:

Fellaini - £27.5m
Mata £37.1m
Herrera - £29m
Shaw - £27m

And you can bet that Benatia (should the stories turn out to be true), will cost around £30m.

Tbh that's the minimum I'd expect United to be paying over 3 transfer windows, especially with rebuilding and an improved financial situatuon. 25-30 million isn't huge money these days, about 15-18 ml. A few years ago.

J. Marston · 17-08-2014 12:33AM

"Biggest club in the world"

"We can spend £70 million a player." This has been said two summers in a row now by that idiot, Woodward.

The club was swimming in money even before the Adidas and Cherolet deals.

There's no reason why we shouldn't be blowing £150-200 million to fix this awful squad.

IrishIrish · 17-08-2014 12:36AM

J. Marston wrote: »

"Biggest club in the world"

"We can spend £70 million a player." This has been said two summers in a row now by that idiot, Woodward.

The club was swimming in money even before the Adidas and Cherolet deals.

There's no reason why we shouldn't be blowing £150-200 million to fix this awful squad.

No reason we shouldn't be blowing 200 million? I don't think its Woodward who is the idiot here..

17-08-2014 12:45AM

Hard to take a lot of positives from today. Januzaj was excellent when he came on, not many others covered themselves in glory.

Losing might be a blessing in disguise, and highlight the fact that we need serious signings in defence and midfield.

kryogen · 17-08-2014 12:51AM

J. Marston wrote: »

"Biggest club in the world"

"We can spend £70 million a player." This has been said two summers in a row now by that idiot, Woodward.

The club was swimming in money even before the Adidas and Cherolet deals.

There's no reason why we shouldn't be blowing £150-200 million to fix this awful squad.

About £120m or so has been spent in the last 12 months so not exactly too far off your estimation of what should be spent eh

You would swear the club is not spending money

The manager would not be a shrinking violet if he had an issue with the clubs transfer policy either so maybe you should direct your vitriol there? Van Gaal has been clear and consistent with what he has said regarding the squad, his philosophy and transfers.

You may not like it, that is what the Chinese call "Tough ****" though.

Woody clearly has no issue spending the money.

kryogen · 17-08-2014 12:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hard to take a lot of positives from today. Januzaj was excellent when he came on, not many others covered themselves in glory.

Losing might be a blessing in disguise, and highlight the fact that we need serious signings in defence and midfield.

This is something I always take issue with, I thought Januzaj and Nani had pretty good games when they were on the field, but in no way shape or form was Januzaj excellent.

You can see the potential, you can see the improvement already from last year but the hype job is pretty incredible at times, he was extremely wasteful plenty of times and will learn with experience of course.

GSPfan · 17-08-2014 01:37AM

kryogen wrote: »

This is something I always take issue with, I thought Januzaj and Nani had pretty good games when they were on the field, but in no way shape or form was Januzaj excellent.

You can see the potential, you can see the improvement already from last year but the hype job is pretty incredible at times, he was extremely wasteful plenty of times and will learn with experience of course.

I think when Januzaj gets praise it's relevant to his age and experience more so than in comparison to other players. I tend to be more amazed by him beating a player than say Nani. It's not fair but I notice myself thinking that way.

Pro. F · 17-08-2014 02:18AM

kryogen wrote: »

This is something I always take issue with, I thought Januzaj and Nani had pretty good games when they were on the field, but in no way shape or form was Januzaj excellent.

You can see the potential, you can see the improvement already from last year but the hype job is pretty incredible at times, he was extremely wasteful plenty of times and will learn with experience of course.

A pretty good game but wasteful sounds like a fair assessment of his performance in this game to me. In the second half anyway, when he was playing in a suitable position.

The incredible ease with which he changes direction and goes by players though is something truly exceptional. This guy is deserving of very high praise right now imo, not just the "he's doing well and he can develop" type of stuff that many people are going with.

I think he should be given a lot of regular football this season, he's not going to develop properly otherwise. I'm very worried that with our bloated attacking options and 3412 formation that that won't happen.

Vic Vinegar · 17-08-2014 02:44AM

Pro. F wrote: »

A pretty good game but wasteful sounds like a fair assessment of his performance in this game to me. In the second half anyway, when he was playing in a suitable position.

The incredible ease with which he changes direction and goes by players though is something truly exceptional. This guy is deserving of very high praise right now imo, not just the "he's doing well and he can develop" type of stuff that many people are going with.

I think he should be given a lot of regular football this season, he's not going to develop properly otherwise. I'm very worried that with our bloated attacking options and 3412 formation that that won't happen.

I think he'll get plenty of games this season as a left or right sided forward, can see us using 433 a lot this season when we get the right players in.

17-08-2014 02:47AM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I think he'll get plenty of games this season as a left or right sided forward, can see us using 433 a lot this season when we get the right players in.

There's better players now to play that than 3-5-2...

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