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Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

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  • #4142
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    shedweller wrote: »
    This is ethnic cleansing after all. And the worlds leaders are ok with this, it would seem. Some may voice concerns etc. but it's all just lip service.
    What a laugh!
    Yeah, whining about bombing babies being "unacceptable" but apparently acceptable enough to keep selling or just plain gifting the bombs to them.


  • #4143
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Suppressing the natives, denying them any outlet that relieves the stress, showing who is "boss".
    The endgame they're looking for is a cataclysmic refugee crisis and a clearout of Gaza, presumably to Egypt whether Egypt like it or not. Annexed land that has the bothersome feature of being full of non-Jews causes them a problem, as in the West Bank where they need to use awkward illegal occupation methods to deny the undesirables a say in their wonderful so-like-the-West-we're-told democracy.


  • #4144
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    shedweller wrote: »
    This is ethnic cleansing after all. And the worlds leaders are ok with this, it would seem. Some may voice concerns etc. but it's all just lip service.
    What a laugh!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuH8StEEvN4


  • #4145
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuH8StEEvN4


    Why are you posting a youtube video by David Duke?


  • #4146
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And again claiming they were at war when they were really just using terrorist tactics to wipe out innocent civilians.

    It does look like a war tho, its just that the facts on the ground would refute the zionists claim that it is a war against hamas in which civilians are accidently killed. The numbers make it obvious that this was a war against the civilian population of Gaza as they took the vast majority of casualties, the fact that some resistance fighters were killed would appear incidental.


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  • #4147
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why are you posting a youtube video by David Duke?

    As an possible explanation to shedwellers post about world leaders being ok about ethnic cleansing


  • #4148
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hju6 wrote: »
    As an possible explanation to shedwellers post about world leaders being ok about ethnic cleansing
    He's not making those videos because he cares about Palestinians. He's making them because he hates Jews.
    (no matter how much of the facts presented in the video are true)


  • #4149
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    As an possible explanation to shedwellers post about world leaders being ok about ethnic cleansing


    O I know what you were supposedly answering. What I want to know is why you are using the answer of an ex-head of the KKK and noted anti-Semite.


  • #4150
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    O I know what you were supposedly answering. What I want to know is why you are using the answer of an ex-head of the KKK and noted anti-Semite.

    It's a very good explanation


  • #4151
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    He's not making those videos because he cares about Palestinians. He's making them because he hates Jews.
    (no matter how much of the facts presented in the video are true)

    Here's someone who cares passionately about Gaza with a no holds barred explanation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW1sJPa2Roc


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  • #4152
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    It's a very good explanation


    David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

    This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.


  • #4153
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

    This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.

    Yeah let's just dance round the elephant and politely smile


  • #4154
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    Yeah let's just dance round the elephant and politely smile


    What's "the elephant"?


  • #4155
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Nodin wrote: »
    What's "the elephant"?
    The elephant in the room, i suppose.


  • #4156
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    shedweller wrote: »
    The elephant in the room, i suppose.


    That much I gathered.


  • #4157
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Nodin wrote: »
    That much I gathered.
    Ah yes. silly me! The elephant in the room would be (among other things) that here is a state illegally expanding past its agreed borders, shooting innocents while saying "damn, missed him!" and all the while, using mega expensive weapons that shouldn't miss, thereby implying that they are deliberately targeting innocent civilians.

    And all the worlds leaders couldn't give a sh1t.:mad:


  • #4158
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

    This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.

    You confuse anti Semite with anti Zionism , I have nothing against Jews or Arabs


  • #4159
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    You confuse anti Semite with anti Zionism , I have nothing against Jews or Arabs


    What's "the elephant" (presumably 'in the room') you were referring to earlier?


  • #4160
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    What's "the elephant" (presumably 'in the room') you were referring to earlier?

    The control the zionists have over the worlds media, military, banks etc,

    Or is that being anti Semitic :)


  • #4161
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    The control the zionists have over the worlds media, military, banks etc,

    Or is that being anti Semitic :)


    Given the earlier holocaust denial, the more recent david duke, as good as, yeah.


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  • #4162
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    Given the earlier holocaust denial, the more recent david duke, as good as, yeah.

    More Zionist spin like the human skin lampshade story


  • #4163
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    hju6 wrote: »
    More Zionist spin


    Well done, you have uncovered me, Shlomo Goldberg, Zionist infiltrator and agent of the NWO.


  • #4164
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well done, you have uncovered me, Shlomo Goldberg, Zionist infiltrator and agent of the NWO.

    I knew having 6 VPNs would come in useful one day


  • #4165
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    hju6 wrote: »
    I knew having 6 VPNs would come in useful one day

    You're talking an awful load of Blarney! Anyhow back on track...I expect there to be another solidarity march again tomorrow in cork,I shall be out. Hopefully a good turnout once again.


  • #4166
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Israel's style of public relations

    A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

    1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

    2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

    3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

    4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

    5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

    6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

    7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

    Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

    Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition


  • #4167
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Class :-)

    You forgot: "But we are entitled to defend ourselves"


  • #4168
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Israel's style of public relations

    A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

    1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

    2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

    3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

    4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

    5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

    6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

    7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

    Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

    Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition

    That's the tried & tested repetitive formula alright and that pretty much nails it. Usually by the time any shift towards an admission occurs. Several days have passed and the story/atrocity has dropped off the media radar.


  • #4169
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Israel's style of public relations

    A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

    1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

    2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

    3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

    4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

    5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

    6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

    7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

    Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

    Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition

    I'm reminded irresistibly of a famous excerpt from Yes Prime Minister in which Humphrey explains to Bernard how to effectively deal with a politician who shows an interest in a foreign affairs situation:

    We follow the four stage program.
    In stage one, we say that nothing is going to happen.
    In stage two, we say that something may be going to happen, but we don't need to do anything about it.
    In stage three, we say maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do,
    And finally in stage four we say, you know maybe there was something we could have done - but it's too late now.

    :pac:


  • #4170
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    That's the tried & tested repetitive formula alright and that pretty much nails it. Usually by the time any shift towards an admission occurs. Several days have passed and the story/atrocity has dropped off the media radar.


    Meanwhile, in the haven of tolerance in the middle east......

    "Some 350 demonstrators have been charged across Israel since the unrest began early in July; none are Jewish"
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828


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  • #4171
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Nodin wrote: »
    Meanwhile, in the haven of tolerance in the middle east......

    "Some 350 demonstrators have been charged across Israel since the unrest began early in July; none are Jewish"
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828



    I expect nothing less from such a shinning bastion of 'democracy'. To read the full content, Boardsies will have to register with Haaretz.

    Here's another snippet, from Nodin's original link.....

    The demonstrations that took place in Israeli towns and cities within the Green Line were organized and mostly non-violent, and were attended by members of parliament and dignitaries. But the police didn't view them this way. The Israel Police's official website stated that "while the civilian front of Operation Protective Edge is being managed, the fight against violent riots across the country continues," as if the protests were another front on which the war in Gaza is being waged.

    "The wave of arrests is intended to silence and crush the right of Arab citizens to protest, via police violence and hostility," says attorney Suhad Bishara from the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel - Adalah, who represented many of the detained demonstrators. "The Israel Police treats the Arab community as a potential enemy, and unfortunately, the court approved many of the police's requests for extended remand, even when there was no ground for this    ."

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828#


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