Life after death?

14-08-2014 03:58PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

PLENTY!!! ********************************

Walk into any spiritualist or spiritist church and you will be given some evidence by mediums..
Go experience past life regression/hypnois and make up your own mind.. Or read books from the likes of Brian Weiss/Dolores Cannon to look at their past life/future life evidence..
Go to a physical seance where you will be given irrefutable proof....

:D:D:D:D:D

krudler · 14-08-2014 03:59PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What reasonable well thought out counterpoint would that be? There has not been any. I have not ignored anything incidentally. And incidentally a counterpoint to what exactly?

You don't have to read the thread. Plenty going on elsewhere.

I dont even think you know what your own thread is about anymore, I just answered your question. What stops me from killing people? knowing it's wrong. That's it. I dont believe in god so an afterlife is no value to me. Are you really suggesting without a fear of a higher power we'd all just be rampaging around murdering everyone we see?

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:00PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

PLENTY!!! ********************************

Walk into any spiritualist or spiritist church and you will be given some evidence by mediums..
Go experience past life regression/hypnois and make up your own mind.. Or read books from the likes of Brian Weiss/Dolores Cannon to look at their past life/future life evidence..
Go to a physical seance where you will be given irrefutable proof....

If by evidence you mean, y'know, bullshit, then yes there's plenty of that.

The Backwards Man · 14-08-2014 04:04PM

If I end up anywhere with any of you lot I'm coming straight fcuking back.

Corkgirl210 · 14-08-2014 04:08PM

krudler wrote: »

If by evidence you mean, y'know, bullshit, then yes there's plenty of that.

Take it you are well uneducated when it comes to these types of matters! :eek:

Mr.Micro · 14-08-2014 04:10PM

Life after death? No, dead is dead.

nc19 · 14-08-2014 04:15PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Someone asking for my input on something constitutes an organised pursuit? If thats relatively organized in your world view I would hate to see how you run your life

But nice out on replying to anything I actually said in most of my posts

Exactly. You are expressing yours. I gave you mine. Only one of us appears bothered by the other person having done so though. You might want to dwell on that for a moment.

Good life lesson then. Often when you express an opinion in life.... people sometimes go "Oh really? What makes you think that?".

My point exactly. There is none. We simply have no evidence that there is anything after death. None. Nadda. Nichts. Nothing. Feck all. Diddly squat.

We do however have much evidence linking human consciousness to the brain.

So when ALL evidence we do have suggests the two things are inextricably linked and NO evidence we have suggests the possibility of a disconnect.... you can probably imagine if you try hard why I go one way and not the other.

One does not need 100% conclusive proof to notice that if given choices X and Y that all the evidence points towards X so far and no evidence points towards Y so far.

Oh, I see now. You're one of them people. Pfft

I am not in the slightest bothered by your opinion, just taken aback a bit by the tone and condesending nature of it.

I would agree with your opinion in a large part. My 'opinion' was more of a hope hence why I typed /hope

while it is most likely based on science and our understanding of it at present that there is nothing after death where is the harm in hoping?

The whole point of a belief is that it is a belief and therefore not necessarily grounded in fact nor does it have to be.

Ignored btw

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:16PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

Take it you are well uneducated when it comes to these types of matters! :eek:

Mediums? Educated enough to know they're nothing but scam artists. Nobody is psychic, if they were they'd willingly prove it under measured and clinical studies, but since nobody has and are more willing to prey on the vunerable and grieving to extort what money they can from them, I'll call bullsh1t until the cows come home.

nc19 · 14-08-2014 04:23PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

PLENTY!!! ********************************

Walk into any spiritualist or spiritist church and you will be given some evidence by mediums..
Go experience past life regression/hypnois and make up your own mind.. Or read books from the likes of Brian Weiss/Dolores Cannon to look at their past life/future life evidence..
Go to a physical seance where you will be given irrefutable proof....

How do you let someone know you find what they say comical on the internet again?

oh, thats right, LOL

im LOLing at your irrefutable prove.

apparently the bible is irrefutable prove of god and the koran is irrefutable prove also. Im sure Scientologists have some irrefutable prove too........lol

everything you suggest is just for weak minded people imo. These people yoy mention, are they benefitting from your shortsightedness per chance?

TwoShedsJackson · 14-08-2014 04:24PM

nc19 wrote: »

Oh, I see now. You're one of them people. Pfft

I am not in the slightest bothered by your opinion, just taken aback a bit by the tone and condesending nature of it.

I would agree with your opinion in a large part. My 'opinion' was more of a hope hence why I typed /hope

while it is most likely based on science and our understanding of it at present that there is nothing after death where is the harm in hoping?

The whole point of a belief is that it is a belief and therefore not necessarily grounded in fact nor does it have to be.

Ignored btw

There's no harm in hoping at all, but religions are using this hope and faith to try and influence matters in the here and now. That's causing problems for people who do not subscribe to these beliefs.

nozzferrahhtoo · 14-08-2014 04:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Correction - interpretations have been given not answers.

You were given answers. Relabeling them does not make them go away. As I said you would do better to discuss in a two way fashion those answers and learn more about them and see where people are coming from.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have not ignored anything incidentally.

Except the majority of this thread it seems. You harp on with the idea atheists have nothing to base their morality on while all the while ignoring them telling you what they are basing it on.

You not liking answers does not mean they are not answers.

nc19 wrote: »

Oh, I see now. You're one of them people. Pfft

So you are choosing to join the OP in dismissive ad hominem one liners used to cover your refusal to respond with substance to what others have said?

nc19 wrote: »

I am not in the slightest bothered by your opinion, just taken aback a bit by the tone and condesending nature of it.

One sad thing about textual forums such as this is that readers tend to assign tone to posts that is not actually there. Or use their imagined tone to avoid actually answering anything in those posts.

nc19 wrote: »

while it is most likely based on science and our understanding of it at present that there is nothing after death where is the harm in hoping?

There is no harm in ANY emotion in my opinion. Even hate and anger. It is what one DOES with their emotions that good and bad results come from. There is nothing wrong with hope. But many people use that hope to waste this life as their eye is on an after life. An after life there is NO reason to think anyone is going to get.

And that is truely tragic. It becomes exponentially more tragic when people do this on behalf of others..... such as the aforementioned parents that watch their children die painfully of easily treated diseases..... because they "hope" their lack of medical intervention is pleasing to god and these children will live a much happier after life due to it.

NO emotion is bad in and of itself. What we do with it however can be.

nc19 wrote: »

The whole point of a belief is that it is a belief and therefore not necessarily grounded in fact nor does it have to be.

Speak for yourself. I am not currently aware of holding any belief that is not grounded in substantiation. Nor am I capable of doing so. If there is no reason to believe X I can not simply flick a switch and CHOOSE to believe X.

If YOU can then well done, but I certainly can not. The lability of your credulity is not something I share.

Joe prim · 14-08-2014 04:32PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The fact is, whether atheists like it or not, the vast majority across the world take their code from a religion and act accordingly. I don't believe many of them would be satisfied by nothingness.

It's a point often ignored by those that preach atheism and such. I'm not religious, far from it, but I recognise this issue and the reality is that the theory of nothing after death does leave a void and something has to fill it. Simply living and no aspiration to something better afterward won't bind society together or make people act good in my opinion.

Look at the crime rate in Ireland now compared to 40 years a go for example. Some would say life was worse in Ireland then but others would say life was safer and better for it under a more catholic and religious country. I do agree more often than not.

You've summed up the whole source and purpose of religion(s) (at least the ones that tout an "afterlife") right there.i.e many people find the concept of non-existence at best puzzling and at worst terrifying, and therefore throughout history, we have invented religions to comfort us with the thought of an afterlife, without the slightest shred of evidence .If you want to know about "moral compasses". look up Stephen Fry's talk on Humanism on Youtube, it's a bit glib, but as good a summary of why we don't need religion to prevent us from eating each other as your'e likely to find.May your god go with you!

Terrlock · 14-08-2014 04:32PM

Life after death, absolutely, it's the 2nd death people should be worried about.

To be Born - to live and then to die and cease to exist - what's the point in that. It would make everything that happens utterly pointless.

Maximus Alexander · 14-08-2014 04:34PM

Terrlock wrote: »

To be Born - to live and then to die and cease to exist - what's the point in that. It would make everything that happens utterly pointless.

The problem is that the universe isn't under any obligation to have a point to it.

Corkgirl210 · 14-08-2014 04:35PM

krudler wrote: »

Mediums? Educated enough to know they're nothing but scam artists. Nobody is psychic, if they were they'd willingly prove it under measured and clinical studies, but since nobody has and are more willing to prey on the vunerable and grieving to extort what money they can from them, I'll call bullsh1t until the cows come home.

Many not educated enough to know about scientific testing that does go on then?

There are many many books written on the scientific facts based from psychic experiments.. I would challenge you to read Arthur Conan Doyles the history of spiritualism ... he was a dedicated skeptic who set out to disprove life after death.. but found nothing but evidence so became an avid supporter of the spiritualist movement.

Also many do offer up their time to undergo testing.. some even made it their life long ambition. But for every supporter there is a skeptic so it will continue to be debated until people actually come out from behind their cloak of fear and have an open mind to see the other side of the argument..

I aint afraid of no ghosts!

I was once though.. until I challenged my beliefs and actually went to the trouble of testing these theories out myself..

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:37PM

Terrlock wrote: »

Life after death, absolutely, it's the 2nd death people should be worried about.

To be Born - to live and then to die and cease to exist - what's the point in that. It would make everything that happens utterly pointless.

Who says life has to have a point?

Maximus Alexander · 14-08-2014 04:40PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

I would challenge you to read Arthur Conan Doyles the history of spiritualism ... he was a dedicated skeptic who set out to disprove life after death.. but found nothing but evidence so became an avid supporter of the spiritualist movement.

Arthur Conan Doyle believed the Cottingley Fairies were real, yet the perpetrators later came out and revealed it had been a hoax. I wouldn't be putting too much faith in what he believed.

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:40PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

Many not educated enough to know about scientific testing that does go on then?

There are many many books written on the scientific facts based from psychic experiments.. I would challenge you to read Arthur Conan Doyles the history of spiritualism ... he was a dedicated skeptic who set out to disprove life after death.. but found nothing but evidence so became an avid supporter of the spiritualist movement.

Also many do offer up their time to undergo testing.. some even made it their life long ambition. But for every supporter there is a skeptic so it will continue to be debated until people actually come out from behind their cloak of fear and have an open mind to see the other side of the argument..

I aint afraid of no ghosts!
I was once though.. until I challenged my beliefs and actually went to the trouble of testing these theories out myself..

What evidence? like fairy photographs?

Tony EH · 14-08-2014 04:41PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Arthur Conan Doyle believed the Cottingley Fairies were real, yet the perpetrators later came out and revealed it had been a hoax. I wouldn't be putting too much faith in what he believed.

Also, he died in 1930.

We've moved on...thank fuck

sbsquarepants · 14-08-2014 04:42PM

Terrlock wrote: »

Life after death, absolutely, it's the 2nd death people should be worried about.

To be Born - to live and then to die and cease to exist - what's the point in that. It would make everything that happens utterly pointless.

This in my opinion is the kind of fúcked up, nonsensical thinking that has allowed religion to gain the strangle hold it has on the world.
There is no point - why should there be?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-08-2014 04:42PM

why does there have to be some "point" to your life? There's no rational thought behind "life after death exists because I don't like the thought that it doesn't", that's just ego.

You're carrying around three pounds of the most incredible living matter in the known universe in your pointless little skull. It's simultaneously creating and perceiving an entire consciousness and reality for you. You have empathy and love and literature and music, flippin sunrises and walks in the rain and puppies and all that shít. Isn't that enough? Just because it's temporary doesn't mean it's not amazing and wonderful, and just because it IS amazing and wonderful it doesn't at all follow that it has to go on forever.

ETA: basically y'all need Buddha

but that's a whole nother can of worms probably

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:43PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Arthur Conan Doyle believed the Cottingley Fairies were real, yet the perpetrators later came out and revealed it had been a hoax. I wouldn't be putting too much faith in what he believed.

He also thought Houdini was a genuine magician with real powers, even though Houdini showed him how he did his illusions.

nc19 · 14-08-2014 04:43PM

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

So you are choosing to join the OP in dismissive ad hominem one liners used to cover your refusal to respond with substance to what others have said?

One sad thing about textual forums such as this is that readers tend to assign tone to posts that is not actually there. Or use their imagined tone to avoid actually answering anything in those posts.

There is no harm in ANY emotion in my opinion. Even hate and anger. It is what one DOES with their emotions that good and bad results come from. There is nothing wrong with hope. But many people use that hope to waste this life as their eye is on an after life. An after life there is NO reason to think anyone is going to get.

And that is truely tragic. It becomes exponentially more tragic when people do this on behalf of others..... such as the aforementioned parents that watch their children die painfully of easily treated diseases..... because they "hope" their lack of medical intervention is pleasing to god and these children will live a much happier after life due to it.

NO emotion is bad in and of itself. What we do with it however can be.

Speak for yourself. I am not currently aware of holding any belief that is not grounded in substantiation. Nor am I capable of doing so. If there is no reason to believe X I can not simply flick a switch and CHOOSE to believe X.

If YOU can then well done, but I certainly can not. The lability of your credulity is not something I share.

I feel from aggressively you are responded to everyone and from the context of your other posts that you dont believe in god and think less of people who do and think I do because I hope there is something after death.

I am the least religious person you could meet. I still would hope that death is not the end no matter how much science says otherwise.

in terms of you not being capable of hope, what about your kids future? I have a child and I hope the best for them through their life. Do you not hope the best for your kids/nephews/nieces/relatives???

have you never said 'I hope that rain stops soon so I can X and Y'

Oh, and I thought I ignored you.......

Corkgirl210 · 14-08-2014 04:46PM

everything you suggest is just for weak minded people imo. These people yoy mention, are they benefiting from your shortsightedness per chance?[/QUOTE]

not one bit..

Funny how people have lots of opinions about something they have not experienced? (So unless you have driven a porche then your views on what a porche can do or what it can provide are somewhat invalid.. )

However, that is my opinion and I completely respect yours...

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:48PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

everything you suggest is just for weak minded people imo. These people yoy mention, are they benefiting from your shortsightedness per chance?

not one bit..

Funny how people have lots of opinions about something they have not experienced? (So unless you have driven a porche then your views on what a porche can do or what it can provide are somewhat invalid.. )

However, that is my opinion and I completely respect yours...

You mean like mediums claiming to speak to the dead? :pac:

Corkgirl210 · 14-08-2014 04:50PM

krudler wrote: »

He also thought Houdini was a genuine magician with real powers, even though Houdini showed him how he did his illusions.

Yes & spiritualists would agree with this also... They hate the imposters too...

However, the main point was that based on ALL the evidence given.. he came a believer...

bb1234567 · 14-08-2014 04:51PM

Marcos Fit Rehearsal wrote: »

why does there have to be some "point" to your life? There's no rational thought behind "life after death exists because I don't like the thought that it doesn't", that's just ego.

You're carrying around three pounds of the most incredible living matter in the known universe in your pointless little skull. It's simultaneously creating and perceiving an entire consciousness and reality for you. You have empathy and love and literature and music, flippin sunrises and walks in the rain and puppies and all that shít. Isn't that enough? Just because it's temporary doesn't mean it's not amazing and wonderful, and just because it IS amazing and wonderful it doesn't at all follow that it has to go on forever.

ETA: basically y'all need Buddha but that's a whole nother can of worms probably

Life isnt amazing and wonderful for a lot of people

Ave Sodalis · 14-08-2014 04:55PM

I've found in my own experience, that's it's generally people who are afraid of death that believe in a life after death. People who need something outside themselves to live for. A lot of people aren't content enough with their own person, and feel the need to have something external to justify their actions.

It's a pity, because humans in themselves are incredible. They're just so full of rubbish, they can't see it...

krudler · 14-08-2014 04:56PM

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

Yes & spiritualists would agree with this also... They hate the imposters too...

However, the main point was that based on ALL the evidence given.. he came a believer...

What evidence though? he was fooled by a famous hoax and a magician, that's not evidence. Anyone can claim something as "evidence" but unless it's tested and proven as such it isn't, simple as that.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 14-08-2014 05:01PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Life isnt amazing and wonderful for a lot of people

That's a given, but I'm not sure I see your point.

Life after death?

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