Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Note in OP, 13/8

DM_7 · 12-08-2014 04:37PM

http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/28624989

Sporting Lisbon defender Marcos Rojo has handed in a transfer request and told his club he wants to be allowed to join Manchester United.
United have submitted a 20m euro bid for the 24-year-old.
Sporting are still considering the offer but Rojo has informed the Portuguese side he will no longer train with them until the situation is resolved to his satisfaction.
United manager Louis van Gaal has been looking for a central defender following the summer departures of Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand.

beno619 · 12-08-2014 04:38PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Would people be happy with a deal of ~£30 million plus Chico and say Nani (Or whoever they have in mind) for Vidal?

PS I know it's a BS tweet.

No way that would put Vidal value at 55m pounds.

homerjay2005 · 12-08-2014 04:38PM

keane2097 wrote: »

The only reason he was linked last week is because he conspicuously followed United and some players on his Instagram (or possibly some other social media thing) as far as I know, unless some journalist was claiming there was going to be a deal before that?

there was reports we were scouting him as far back as 12 months ago,

Manchester United have sent scouts to attend Sporting Lisbon's game against newly-promoted Arouca

The only player who stands out is Marcos Rojo, a man who has been hailed as the solution to Argentina's left-back problem. He currently has 17 caps at the age of just 23, and looks like he could be a real star for the future. It's also a position that United are known to be looking for an upgrade in, with Patrice Evra in advanced years and Alexander Buttner not exactly impressing (with rumours of a loan to Besiktas circling.)

the express has the story last week as well as other papers linking us to him back as far as May. Liverpool were supposidly the front runners to sign him, since March with us, Southampton and Chelsea also in the running.

the instagram thing came 3 days ago, 2 days AFTER the express story.

xtal191 · 12-08-2014 04:39PM

No problem with Hernandez leaving, he deserves to be starting for a team but it wont be at Utd. Also if he leaves it will mean more game time for Wilson! As for Nani I just dont see him fitting in to Van Gaals plans.

Whatsisname · 12-08-2014 04:39PM

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I really think Candreva would be wasted in a 3-5-2, he's not the most defensively minded and is at his most effective when playing fairly high up the pitch.

Rojo would make a good deal of sense though. I haven't seen him outside of the World Cup, but he's a good prospect and his versatility would fill a couple of gaps.

Cuadrado?

Rayne Wooney · 12-08-2014 04:40PM

Montroseee wrote: »

Chico and Nani would have a combined value of 25 million making Vidal 70+ million which is ridiculous. 50 million in cash/players should be more than enough to get Vidal.

£55 million for one of the best midfielders in the world isn't too bad

Also freeing up 170k in wages, we'll probably give Vidal 200k a week

Blatter · 12-08-2014 04:40PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Would have to think it's as good as done then. Has anyone ever handed in a transfer request and then not moved?

Not very often, especially when it's from a club like Lisbon to United!

keane2097 · 12-08-2014 04:41PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there was reports we were scouting him as far back as 12 months ago,

the express has the story last week as well as other papers linking us to him back as far as May. Liverpool were supposidly the front runners to sign him, since March with us, Southampton and Chelsea also in the running.

That's not very convincing with regard to journos knowing a deal was imminent this week to me, a decent bit of 2+2ing from whoever decided he was the only player watchable at a Sporting game though tbf.

Copper_pipe · 12-08-2014 04:41PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Would have to think it's as good as done then. Has anyone ever handed in a transfer request and then not moved?

Did Benteke do it?

TheTownie · 12-08-2014 04:42PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Would have to think it's as good as done then. Has anyone ever handed in a transfer request and then not moved?

Peter Odemwingie not only handed in a transfer request but turned up at QPR, thinking a deal had been reached, only to be barred from entering! :pac:

DM_7 · 12-08-2014 04:42PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Did Benteke do it?

Wayne freaking Rooney :pac:

Lucas Hood · 12-08-2014 04:42PM

Seems LVG is set on signing a left footed centre half who can play at Lb if needed.

Copper_pipe · 12-08-2014 04:42PM

Would we prefer Rojo or Blind

Lucas Hood · 12-08-2014 04:43PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Would we prefer Rojo or Blind

Why not both.

beakerjoe · 12-08-2014 04:43PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Would we prefer Rojo or Blind

Both

kryogen · 12-08-2014 04:45PM

beno619 wrote: »

No way that would put Vidal value at 55m pounds.

Thats not exactly unbelievable in this day and age you know. Suarez fee? Luiz? Shaw? Herrera?

you are talking about one of the premier midfielders in Europe, at one of the top clubs, who would be of huge importance to our club.

A big price would have to be paid to get the deal done.

Antibac · 12-08-2014 04:45PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Would we prefer Rojo or Blind

Both. Would cover injuries in a multitude of positions

homerjay2005 · 12-08-2014 04:46PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Why not both.

would mean we would have signed 3 players in one window, whose best position is left back and would have cost us €70m!

Blind would appear to be more versatile, but Rojo appears to be more used to CB than Blind so its really an impossible one to call.

Billy86 · 12-08-2014 04:46PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Tancredi Palmeri @tancredipalmeri · 8m

Manchester United have bid a figure between 45-48m€ for Vidal. Juventus have replied they want also 2 players, 1 of the two is Chicharito

If true, this is why it was stupid to let Evra go to them for next to nothing

Montroseee wrote: »

Chico and Nani would have a combined value of 25 million making Vidal 70+ million which is ridiculous. 50 million in cash/players should be more than enough to get Vidal.

In a world where Lukaku goes for close to 30mn, James Rodriguez goes for 45mn before the WC and 70mn after, Gareth Bale and Suarez go for over 90mn, Cavan for about 64mn, 70mn for the best box to box midfielder in the world really isn't that ridiculous. High, but not ridiculous.

Speaking in Euros that is, which would be a shade over 55MN sterling.

xtal191 · 12-08-2014 04:47PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Would we prefer Rojo or Blind

Blind

DM_7 · 12-08-2014 04:48PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

would mean we would have signed 3 players in one window, whose best position is left back and would have cost us €70m!

Blind would appear to be more versatile, but Rojo appears to be more used to CB than Blind so its really an impossible one to call.

Why do you keep saying Blinds best position is left back, he plays cm for Ajax doesn't he (maybe i'm wrong)?

Have you watched him a lot in both positions to come to the conclusion he is a better left back?

Rayne Wooney · 12-08-2014 04:48PM

Billy86 wrote: »

If true, this is why it was stupid to let Evra go to them for next to nothing

In a world where Lukaku goes for close to 30mn, James Rodriguez goes for 45mn before the WC and 70mn after, Gareth Bale and Suarez go for over 90mn, Cavan for about 64mn, 70mn for the best box to box midfielder in the world really isn't that ridiculous. High, but not ridiculous.

Speaking in Euros that is, which would be a shade over 55MN sterling.

Was Lukaku's fee not in pounds? James too?

It's not crazy money, I'd be happier with £45-50 million altogether but we aren't going to turn down one of the best around and in a position we've struggled with for 5 or 6 years over 5 million, hopefully.

MagicIRL · 12-08-2014 04:52PM

I said we'd sign a CB (and a CM) AND I said Januzaj will be #11. LADS, I'M SO #ITK IT ****ING HURTS

Billy86 · 12-08-2014 04:54PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Was Lukaku's fee not in pounds? James too?

It's not crazy money, I'd be happier with £45-50 million altogether but we aren't going to turn down one of the best around and in a position we've struggled with for 5 or 6 years over 5 million, hopefully.

I just did a quick recheck on those two and yeah Lukaku wad 28mn pounds, so €35mn. Rodriguez one seems to have conflicting reports buy if in pounds it is saying 65, which would be about €81mn.

Definitely agree on the second part, more than I like but even with Herrera we still have need there and everyone knows it. We made fools of ourselves trying to not be exploited over that last summer, sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and pay out (within reason). Still another reason I think it was stupid to not hold onto Evra as collateral though, at his age there wasn't a lot of value there but they had a need at LB which would have allowed us to inflate his value accordingly as they seem to be doing with Vidal.

homerjay2005 · 12-08-2014 04:54PM

DM-ICE wrote: »

Why do you keep saying Blinds best position is left back, he plays cm for Ajax doesn't he (maybe i'm wrong)?

Have you watched him a lot in both positions to come to the conclusion he is a better left back?

because it IS his best position though yes he does play there for the Ajax team at times.

ive only really properly see him play in midfield during the world cup and he was very average in there and much less influential than he was at LB/LWB, BUT i guess its hard to judge on just that.

i would think in terms of his versaltility its LB > CM > CB for him.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-08-2014 04:55PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

I said we'd sign a CB (and a CM) AND I said Januzaj will be #11. LADS, I'M SO #ITK IT ****ING HURTS

Tell us Ronaldo is coming back
Tell us!!!!!

beno619 · 12-08-2014 04:55PM

kryogen wrote: »

Thats not exactly unbelievable in this day and age you know. Suarez fee? Luiz? Shaw? Herrera?

you are talking about one of the premier midfielders in Europe, at one of the top clubs, who would be of huge importance to our club.

A big price would have to be paid to get the deal done.

I think he's the wrong side of 25 tbh, Nani and Chica are expendable I guess.

The player plus cash deal would be better than having to stump up the cash.

Paul Tergat · 12-08-2014 04:56PM

Strumms wrote: »

Unlikely, not only for the reason that some of those targets are unavailable but the question was a hypothetical one as was my reply. Spending 130 million on top of what we have isn't such a fantasy it just depends on the will of the owners firstly and secondly if the manager feels he needs to which I'd say is unlikely certainly in the second case.

I posed it to see a response on the amount people would think we will spend. There isnt a hope in hell we are spending close to £200m this summer.

I really hope I am wrong though.

beno619 · 12-08-2014 04:58PM

The tweet is probably bull anyway.

Copper_pipe · 12-08-2014 05:00PM

Mike Keegan @mikekeeganbbc · 1m

#mufc staff were printing Januzaj 11 shirts but were later told to stop.

Shaw is number 3, Mata 8 & Rooney 10. Was told LvG asked RvP to take 9 but he stuck with 20. #mufc

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