When was the last time you were outraged at a stupid charge?

Valetta · 12-08-2014 03:26PM

Babooshka wrote: »

I think we got your point, we're just disagreeing with you, sticking a sandwich into a toaster for 30 seconds is not the same as making a bacon roll for someone, you know that now!

So you do expect to get stuff for free.

Hotfail.com · 12-08-2014 03:27PM

Valetta wrote: »

Would you buy a pack of rashers, tub of butter and a roll, pay for them and then ask the shop to make you a bacon roll- at no extra charge?

There's a big differce between making a bacon roll and putting a sandwich under the grill and taking it out a minute later.

Like I said, I wouldn't expect to pay for it and if they want to charge me 50 cent for something that simple they'll be losing my custom in the future.

Babooshka · 12-08-2014 03:28PM

Valetta wrote: »

So you do expect to get stuff for free.

ha ha, a "service", for sticking an already cost inflated marked up sandwich into a toaster for a minute, you're gas.

Valetta · 12-08-2014 03:32PM

Babooshka wrote: »

ha ha, a "service", for sticking an already cost inflated marked up sandwich into a toaster for a minute, you're gas.

But you've agreed to pay for the sandwich, right?

Calling it "cost inflated" is meaningless, as we don't know the cost, but regardless it involves extra costs to toast it, which you expect to get for free.

Would you expect to pay the same price for a plain ham sandwich as you would for a ham sandwich with three extra fillings?

Valetta · 12-08-2014 03:35PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

There's a big differce between making a bacon roll and putting a sandwich under the grill and taking it out a minute later.

The principle is exactly the same.

Like I said, I wouldn't expect to pay for it and if they want to charge me 50 cent for something that simple they'll be losing my custom in the future.

As is your right.

Hotfail.com · 12-08-2014 03:35PM

Valetta wrote: »

But you've agreed to pay for the sandwich, right?

Calling it "cost inflated" is meaningless, as we don't know the cost, but regardless it involves extra costs to toast it, which you expect to get for free.

Would you expect to pay the same price for a plain ham sandwich as you would for a ham sandwich with three extra fillings?

How much does it cost them to toast the sandwich as opposed to leaving it untoasted? I'd imagine it's somewhere in-and-around 1c, yet they charge you 50 cent.

Your three extra fillings analogy is just ridiculous.

Maximus Alexander · 12-08-2014 03:44PM

Hotfail.com wrote: »

How much does it cost them to toast the sandwich as opposed to leaving it untoasted? I'd imagine it's somewhere in-and-around 1c, yet they charge you 50 cent.

Your three extra fillings analogy is just ridiculous.

1 cent is probably pretty close actually.

If we assume a 1200 watt toaster oven, an electricity rate of 17 c/kWh and a toasting time of 3 minutes.

1200 / 60 = 20 * 3 = 60 Wh

17 / (1000 / 60) = 1.02 cents.

Nice. Maths bitch.

Hotfail.com · 12-08-2014 03:46PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

1 cent is probably pretty close actually.

If we assume a 1200 watt toaster oven, an electricity rate of 17 c/kWh and a toasting time of 3 minutes.

1200 / 60 = 20 * 3 = 60 Wh

17 / (1000 / 60) = 1.02 cents.

Nice. Maths bitch.

Ohhh that is one lovely answer

Babooshka · 12-08-2014 03:50PM

Valetta wrote: »

But you've agreed to pay for the sandwich, right?

Calling it "cost inflated" is meaningless, as we don't know the cost, but regardless it involves extra costs to toast it, which you expect to get for free.

Would you expect to pay the same price for a plain ham sandwich as you would for a ham sandwich with three extra fillings?

You're trying to compare apples with oranges here. And I did go over all of that in the previous, it is more expensive because of overheads. Overheads = cost to toast it, cost to pay the person who made it, cost of electricity, cost of renting the shop, cost of ingredients. We're done here, we just disagree.

Apparently Centra agree with me too, cos when I complained they sent me a voucher as a goodwill gesture, why would you do that if they really thought what they were doing was justified and they weren't screwing people up the ass?

Valetta · 12-08-2014 03:53PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

1 cent is probably pretty close actually.

If we assume a 1200 watt toaster oven, an electricity rate of 17 c/kWh and a toasting time of 3 minutes.

1200 / 60 = 20 * 3 = 60 Wh

17 / (1000 / 60) = 1.02 cents.

Nice. Maths bitch.

Were they given the toaster by the SVdeP?

12-08-2014 03:53PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

1 cent is probably pretty close actually.

If we assume a 1200 watt toaster oven, an electricity rate of 17 c/kWh and a toasting time of 3 minutes.

1200 / 60 = 20 * 3 = 60 Wh

17 / (1000 / 60) = 1.02 cents.

Nice. Maths bitch.

You have to factor in the depreciation value of the toaster, the hourly rate of the person toasting the sandwich etc.

RoboRat · 12-08-2014 03:54PM

Local garage whom I have bought thousands of euro of diesel from charged me 2 cent for going over €60.

Bearing in mind that generally I stop it short rather than going over and have been a customer for years, I was particularly pissed off when I gave the attendant €70 and got €9.98 back.

animaal · 12-08-2014 03:55PM

Valetta wrote: »

But you've agreed to pay for the sandwich, right?

Calling it "cost inflated" is meaningless, as we don't know the cost, but regardless it involves extra costs to toast it, which you expect to get for free.

I think you're correct, but not for the reason you're presenting.

I think it's fair enough for somebody to expect a quick toasting to be absorbed by the price of the sandwich. In the same way, when the chipper asks me if I'd like salt & vinegar on the chips, I expect that to be included in the price. Or when I order a sticky bun, I don't get charged for the napkin. Or if I ask for my steak "well done", I don't get charged extra.

Having said all that, I believe the case of a toasted sandwich is legally different. I think I recall hearing before that there's different tax applied to cold food served by an outlet, and hot food served by the same outlet. By toasting the sandwich, it's now "cooked food" in the eyes of the taxman. So the shopkeeper probably doesn't get the 50c at all.

(That's just my recollection)

12-08-2014 03:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You have to factor in the depreciation value of the toaster, the hourly rate of the person toasting the sandwich etc.

They would already be included into the prices.

TheChizler · 12-08-2014 03:57PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

1 cent is probably pretty close actually.

If we assume a 1200 watt toaster oven, an electricity rate of 17 c/kWh and a toasting time of 3 minutes.

1200 / 60 = 20 * 3 = 60 Wh

17 / (1000 / 60) = 1.02 cents.

Nice. Maths bitch.

Just to mess up the nice number, you should also account for the time the toaster is still heating but not toasting, the cost of the toaster plus service, etc.

pickarooney · 12-08-2014 03:57PM

ArtyC wrote: »

Centra charging 50c extra to toast a sandwich. Told them to keep it. ****ing chancers

Is there not a VAT difference between hot and cold food?

Valetta · 12-08-2014 03:58PM

Babooshka wrote: »

. Overheads = cost to toast it, cost to pay the person who made it, cost of electricity, cost of renting the shop, cost of ingredients.

And the price charged is based on cost of ingredients + contribution to overheads + margin.

The contribution to overheads is more for a toasted sandwich than it is for a plain one. Therefore the selling price is higher.

It's basic accounting.

You got a voucher because that is good customer service.

Have they removed the extra charge as a result of your complaint?

Babooshka · 12-08-2014 03:59PM

animaal wrote: »

I think it's fair enough for somebody to expect a quick toasting to be absorbed by the price of the sandwich. In the same way, when the chipper asks me if I'd like salt & vinegar on the chips, I expect that to be included in the price. Or when I order a sticky bun, I don't get charged for the napkin. Or if I ask for my steak "well done", I don't get charged extra.

(That's just my recollection)

This, this exactly this. Or I don't get charged to wipe my a*se in the toilets when I got to the loo....I was looking for examples like this, you did it better than me. Thanks.

Maximus Alexander · 12-08-2014 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You have to factor in the depreciation value of the toaster, the hourly rate of the person toasting the sandwich etc.

You're right, the 5 seconds it takes for a minimum wage staff member to place it into and remove it from the toaster oven would add a further 1.2 cents to the cost.

I'm not going to speculate on toaster costs vs total number of lifetime toastings, so let's round it off at 3 cents and say it would be reasonable for them to charge 5 cents for toasting.

Babooshka · 12-08-2014 04:04PM

Valetta wrote: »

And the price charged is based on cost of ingredients + contribution to overheads + margin.

The contribution to overheads is more for a toasted sandwich than it is for a plain one. Therefore the selling price is higher.

It's basic accounting.

You got a voucher because that is good customer service.

Have they removed the extra charge as a result of your complaint?

No they haven't but I never go there any more, they can charge other people whatever they want to.

You should check out what animaal said about the cost of sundries being "absorbed" into the cost of the vendors product, it's what I was getting at, and I am sure that those accountants factor it in when they're advising the retailers what to charge, I just didn't articulate it as well as animaal did, but there you go, seeing as you know so much about accounting I am sure you must be familiar with that practice which most businesses would carry out, which is why the cost of the sandwich would more than pay for the cost of toasting it as well as making it....the end.

12-08-2014 04:11PM

Cold food is zero rated for VAT, hot food is applied at the reduced rate of VAT. There for by toasting the sandwich, the rate of VAT changes and therefore an additional 50c on a sandwich should be expected.
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vat/leaflets/food-and-drink.html

petrolcan · 12-08-2014 04:31PM

RoboRat wrote: »

Local garage whom I have bought thousands of euro of diesel from charged me 2 cent for going over €60.

Bearing in mind that generally I stop it short rather than going over and have been a customer for years, I was particularly pissed off when I gave the attendant €70 and got €9.98 back.

Unsure why you are complaining about getting the correct change back. Did you expect the extra for nothing? It was you that filled up, not an attendant.

ArtyC · 12-08-2014 04:32PM

I don't expect things for free.... But i felt it was way over the top to charge for a grill already on ready to go. I've never got this anywhere else before and dont go to centra anymore.

When I eat at a restaurant I don't expect to pay rent on the chair and table, or a washing up fee. I tip as well of service is good.

I'm not miserable with money, but I do t just give it away either . More fool people that do pay it.

blastman · 12-08-2014 04:33PM

A certain shipping company recently wanted to charge me about €24 for the service of collecting €8.30 in VAT on an item I bought outside the EU. Cost of item? Just under €40! Actually the cost of the item was €30, and the rest was shipping costs, which as someone else already said, charging VAT on the shipping cost is seriously taking the p!ss anyway.

Blood boiling again thinking about it, but I did score a small victory in the end....

TheDoc · 12-08-2014 04:40PM

A Londis bear where I work wanted to charge me 50 cent today when I was making a purchase under five Euros.

Sorry but if you arnt going to invest in your business to have contactless payment don't expect customers to foot your outdated technology.

The insurance levy bugs me big time. Having to pay an increase on my insurance cause of some slack **** down in Cavan. Made worse by the morons that were out showing support for that family of gamblers.

Valetta · 12-08-2014 04:42PM

[QUOTE=ArtyC;91693674I don't expect things for free.... But i felt it was way over the top to charge for a grill already on ready to go. I've never got this anywhere else before and dont go to centra anymore.

When I eat at a restaurant I don't expect to pay rent on the chair and table, or a washing up fee. I tip as well of service is good.

I'm not miserable with money, but I do t just give it away either . More fool people that do pay it.[/QUOTE]

The bit in bold doesn't make any sense.

12-08-2014 05:01PM

RoboRat wrote: »

Local garage whom I have bought thousands of euro of diesel from charged me 2 cent for going over €60.

Bearing in mind that generally I stop it short rather than going over and have been a customer for years, I was particularly pissed off when I gave the attendant €70 and got €9.98 back.

You're pissed off because you had to pay what you owe?? Why didn't you give them one of the 2c you must get from stopping it short then you'd get your 10 back

groucho marx · 12-08-2014 05:04PM

Just been to the shop
1.30 for a pack of mckoys. Seemed kind of steep?

shruikan2553 · 12-08-2014 05:06PM

animaal wrote: »

I think you're correct, but not for the reason you're presenting.

I think it's fair enough for somebody to expect a quick toasting to be absorbed by the price of the sandwich. In the same way, when the chipper asks me if I'd like salt & vinegar on the chips, I expect that to be included in the price. Or when I order a sticky bun, I don't get charged for the napkin. Or if I ask for my steak "well done", I don't get charged extra.

Having said all that, I believe the case of a toasted sandwich is legally different. I think I recall hearing before that there's different tax applied to cold food served by an outlet, and hot food served by the same outlet. By toasting the sandwich, it's now "cooked food" in the eyes of the taxman. So the shopkeeper probably doesn't get the 50c at all.

(That's just my recollection)

Its entitlement like this that caused the recession. What next, people want butter and mayo not counting as one of the 3 fillings? Titght bastards probably want a free straw for their drinks. STRAWS DONT JUST MAGICALLY APPEAR, THEY HAVE TO BE BOUGHT!

:pac:

Banjo String · 12-08-2014 05:11PM

RoboRat wrote: »

Local garage whom I have bought thousands of euro of diesel from charged me 2 cent for going over €60.

Bearing in mind that generally I stop it short rather than going over and have been a customer for years, I was particularly pissed off when I gave the attendant €70 and got €9.98 back.

petrolcan wrote: »

Unsure why you are complaining about getting the correct change back. Did you expect the extra for nothing? It was you that filled up, not an attendant.

Apt username loll:pac:

When was the last time you were outraged at a stupid charge?

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